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BobTheCoward said:
Obstruction of a liberal president who is not putting forth conservative policies is a conservative politician doing what they think is best for the country.
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And if the Democrats do the exact same thing, nothing will ever get done. Explain to me how anyone could ever think this is good for the country?

No, no one's being fooled, here.
 
Argumemnon said:
And if the Democrats do the exact same thing, nothing will ever get done. Explain to me how anyone could ever think this is good for the country?

No, no one's being fooled, here.
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Maybe they perceive the Obama administration as a nuclear attack on society and they have no option but complete vctory or MAD.

I don't know and I don't care. I care if there is evidence that they are putting personal victory over what they think is best for the country.
 
Argumemnon said:
And if the Democrats do the exact same thing, nothing will ever get done. Explain to me how anyone could ever think this is good for the country?

No, no one's being fooled, here.
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Nothing ever getting done is the goal of Conservatives. They think there should be no government at all.
 
Argumemnon said:
And if the Democrats do the exact same thing, nothing will ever get done. Explain to me how anyone could ever think this is good for the country?

No, no one's being fooled, here.
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What needed to be done that didn't get done?
 
thaiboxerken said:
Do you think they can only have one goal?!:rolleyes:
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This is true. There's nothing that says that diddling pages, running over kittens, letting poor people die in emergency rooms, blocking minority voters, bombing fictitious capitals, and closing down Planned Parenthood have to be exclusive goals. Look at the current Tea Party. They find time to do all that, plus have free time left over to become Constitutional experts on the subject of "Natural Born Citizens".
 
Foolmewunz said:
This is true. There's nothing that says that diddling pages, running over kittens, letting poor people die in emergency rooms, blocking minority voters, bombing fictitious capitals, and closing down Planned Parenthood have to be exclusive goals. Look at the current Tea Party. They find time to do all that, plus have free time left over to become Constitutional experts on the subject of "Natural Born Citizens".
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Well, it's just that I got the impression that Ken thinks bigotry is the fundamental driving force behind everything Republicans do. It's not so much that they want white men to win, but rather that they want minorities and women to lose. I may have drawn the wrong conclusion from the fact that the vast majority of his posts are one-liners accusing Republicans of bigotry.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Well, it's just that I got the impression that Ken thinks bigotry is the fundamental driving force behind everything Republicans do. It's not so much that they want white men to win, but rather that they want minorities and women to lose. I may have drawn the wrong conclusion from the fact that the vast majority of his posts are one-liners accusing Republicans of bigotry.
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The vast majority of his posts? Or the vast majority of his posts that register with you? I make out 2 of his last 30 posts criticizing conservatives for being anti-minority (race/nationality) or anti-majority (gender). 2/30ths, except in certain well-designed Texas districts, does not constitute a "vast majority".
 
sunmaster14 said:
What needed to be done that didn't get done?
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People are dying of preventable diseases.
People are hungry and/or starving while there is food in warehouses.
People are suffering and living in poverty simply because they had the bad luck to be born to poor parents while others are living lives of luxury.

I guess we could argue about "needed," but there sure is a hell of a lot that SHOULD have been done that hasn't.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Maybe they perceive the Obama administration as a nuclear attack on society and they have no option but complete vctory or MAD.

I don't know and I don't care. I care if there is evidence that they are putting personal victory over what they think is best for the country.
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There is. You are speculating.

sunmaster14 said:
What needed to be done that didn't get done?
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If you think government shouldn't do anything, I guess nothing. For those of us in the real world, quite a bit.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Whether they feel their course of action is bad for the country or good for the country.
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As others have pointed out, cock-blocking the Democrats was their stated goal since the beginning. Unless they are uneducated, stupid idiots, they can't possibly think that not allowing the government to do anything would be good for the country.

'course, I'm open to the idea that they're uneducated, stupid idiots, but it's more likely that they are looking for political victory rather than actual results for America.
 
Foolmewunz said:
The vast majority of his posts? Or the vast majority of his posts that register with you? I make out 2 of his last 30 posts criticizing conservatives for being anti-minority (race/nationality) or anti-majority (gender). 2/30ths, except in certain well-designed Texas districts, does not constitute a "vast majority".
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Well, it's a hell of a lot more than 2 out of his last 30, but I'll admit to using a little poetic license (I was wondering if any nitpickers would waste time arguing about it). Regardless, it is an extremely common theme - and is subscribed to by the vast majority a significant fraction of liberals.

From the standpoint of practical experience, though, it is a weird myth. I think that even for people at the extreme, unhappy end of the bigotry scale bigotry is a weak motivating force in their political beliefs and day-to-day actions. One proof of this is that even bigots are often friendly with certain individual members of the group that is the target of their bigotry (e.g. "oh, he's one of the good ones.") Life is too complicated and too difficult to afford spending a lot of energy trying to hurt another group of people just for the hell of it, as opposed to advancing your own interests. Now, it's possible that both drivers would lead to advocating for the same policies, but certainly not always, and certainly not to the same degree.

Ironically, if there were an anti-black racist who understood economics and whose primary motivation was to hurt black people as a group, he would probably advocate for liberal policies which, on the whole (in my sincere view), undermine the black family, increase the supply of unskilled labor, decrease the demand for unskilled labor, reduce the incentive for people on the lower end of the wage scale to work, create double standards which only exacerbate racial animosity and stereotypes, and indulge and cater to a debilitating sense of victimhood and racial grievance.
 
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