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Dr. Keith said:
I think you are probably right. Posturing at its ugliest. You'd expect them to learn how to be a little better at this dance.

I wonder about your last point, though: Is the GOP establishment more afraid of a Obama nomination or a Trump nomination? Trump seems to only give lip service to the social conservative issues, at best.
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They're more afraid of an Obama nomination in general, but maybe not one that is time and politics constrained like Obama has now. If Trump loses, the Republicans could easily lose the Senate, in which case they would get another Ginsburg or even worse. If Trump wins, the nomination is a crapshoot. Trump will not go with what the establishment wants. He will go with someone he likes personally. And I wasn't kidding about Howard Stern. Well, maybe a little bit. He actually joked with Howard Stern about making him a justice over the summer. But I wouldn't be surprised with a totally off-the-wall pick who doesn't have any identifiable ideology.

If Obama wants to put his stamp on the court, it behooves him to nominate a moderate conservative to the court, since it might actually get through (I think it would actually, especially now that Trump looks like the nominee). That is probably best for the country as well, although not for the progressive agenda.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Your bubble is thick.
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That is not an argument. May I now safely assume that you don't have one?

Your reduction of everything into sides is cute, but I'm not anti-conservative. I just don't like the current form of the Republican party.

BobTheCoward said:
They don't know it. They legitimately think their policies are better for the country. How many people have you met that think the other side is right on something, but they are going with their own party on an issue?
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You are confusing "good for them" and "good for the country". They have demonstrated that they care about the former but not the latter.
 
Crossbow said:
I wish that were the case.

Instead, I have found the national Republicans to be nothing but a bunch of stupid, idiotic, liars who would gladly sell their country down the river in order to get into power and/or stay in power.
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If you switch the party you sound like posters on redstate.
 
Argumemnon said:
That is not an argument. May I now safely assume that you don't have one?
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Just because you don't understand my argument, it doesn't mean it isn't one. You have blinders on. You cannot seem to understand that what you call "productive" is not what others see as productive. Hitler got a lot of stuff done too actually. That guy was a whirlwind of activity.

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You are confusing "good for them" and "good for the country". They have demonstrated that they care about the former but not the latter.
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No, you are. You automatically think that conservative policies can't be good for the country and liberal policies can't be bad for the country and therefore conservatives must be acting out of selfish partisan interest.
 
Argumemnon said:
That is not an argument. May I now safely assume that you don't have one?

Your reduction of everything into sides is cute, but I'm not anti-conservative. I just don't like the current form of the Republican party.



You are confusing "good for them" and "good for the country". They have demonstrated that they care about the former but not the latter.
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What evidence do you have that they don't think their policies are good for the country?

I don't see eye to eye with sunmaster on most things but I like the point above. The obvious answer is conservatives think conservative policy works best.
 
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sunmaster14 said:
Just because you don't understand my argument, it doesn't mean it isn't one.
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You didn't make an argument. You said "nuh-huh" and then said I was in a bubble. That's not an argument.

You have blinders on.
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An easy claim. You have blinders on. See? It's so easy to use ad hominems when you don't have an argument.

You cannot seem to understand that what you call "productive" is not what others see as productive.
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You're moving the goalposts. I didn't say "not productive for them". I said "good for the country".

No, you are. You automatically think that conservative policies can't be good for the country and liberal policies can't be bad for the country and therefore conservatives must be acting out of selfish partisan interest.
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I have never made any such argument. You are projecting your own partisan view of the world onto me. I'm very well aware that conservative policies can be very good for the country. Just because I'm saying that their CURRENT policies aren'tT good doesn't change that.

Kindly make an effort to actually read what I'm posting.
 
BobTheCoward said:
What evidence do you have that they don't think their policies are good for the country?

I don't see eye to eye with sunmaster on most things but I like the point above. The obvious answer is conservatives think conservative policy works best.
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I wasn't aware that cock-blocking the opposing party was a conservative policy. I thought it was an asshat policy no matter what side of the political spectrum it came from. What they are doing is naysaying everything the Democrats are doing, even when Obama, weak as he is, goes out of his way to build in compromises in his proposals. That is obviously a policy designed to win political points rather than govern effectivley, and thus cannot be seen by them as something that's good for the country. The same goes for when the Democrats do it.
 
Argumemnon said:
They've been obstructing the POTUS since day 1. Do you think being the least productive congress ever is good for America?

It's all politics, make no mistake.
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If the laws being proposed are bad for America then voting against them would be good for America.
Not that I disagree with you but how is the least productive measured?

Do you really think they give a toss about what's in the interest of America?
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Yes they believe their ideology is best. Probably pretty similar to democrats believe theirs is the best. (Taken as a whole. I am sure their are some from both parties who do not care about much except reelection.)

You are confusing "good for them" and "good for the country". They have demonstrated that they care about the former but not the latter.
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You know their minds? Can't you see that maybe someone may believe something completely different than you about what is best for the country.
 
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Remember, Dick Lugar was too liberal for these guys. And I'll reiterate what he said when he lost the nomination: I just hope that when these get to Washington, they remember they have a job to do, and that the business of running the country gets done.

Probably one of those things that made him too liberal for them. He knew that he had a responsibility to govern. How dare a senator feel that way?
 
Argumemnon said:
I wasn't aware that cock-blocking the opposing party was a conservative policy. I thought it was an asshat policy no matter what side of the political spectrum it came from. What they are doing is naysaying everything the Democrats are doing, even when Obama, weak as he is, goes out of his way to build in compromises in his proposals. That is obviously a policy designed to win political points rather than govern effectivley, and thus cannot be seen by them as something that's good for the country. The same goes for when the Democrats do it.
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How can you tell the difference between blocking for political points and blocking the harm of the bill that outweighs any compromise in it?
 
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BobTheCoward said:
How can you tell the difference between blocking for political points and blocking the the harm of the bill outweighs any compromise in it?
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When the opposing party decided on literally the day of the new President's inauguration (and in the midst of an economic disaster) that they would oppose him on everything because they wanted him to be a failed one term President.
 
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sunmaster14 said:
Just because you don't understand my argument, it doesn't mean it isn't one. You have blinders on. You cannot seem to understand that what you call "productive" is not what others see as productive. Hitler got a lot of stuff done too actually. That guy was a whirlwind of activity.



No, you are. You automatically think that conservative policies can't be good for the country and liberal policies can't be bad for the country and therefore conservatives must be acting out of selfish partisan interest.
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This seems to be on target to me.
 
eeyore1954 said:
If the laws being proposed are bad for America then voting against them would be good for America.
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Considering their lack of productivity it seems that, in their minds, everything the Democrats do is bad for America, an ideological position rather than a rational one.

Yes they believe their ideology is best. Probably pretty similar to democrats believe theirs is the best.
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The key point is whether "best" is "best for them" or "best for the country". I'm arguing that it's the former.

You know their minds?
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Yes. Like all humans I can surmise people's intent through their actions.
 
Argumemnon said:
Considering their lack of productivity it seems that, in their minds, everything the Democrats do is bad for America, an ideological position rather than a rational one.



The key point is whether "best" is "best for them" or "best for the country". I'm arguing that it's the former.



Yes. Like all humans I can surmise people's intent through their actions.
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They are voted in by people who think it is best for the country. Regardless of what we conclude here, they are serving as representatives.
 
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