Continuation Part 20: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

It certainly sounds like someone using a tourniquet on a throat wound is either an idiot or completely confused.

Better to be an idiot than a callous psychopath who runs off leaving the victim to die, without calling for help and delaying discovery for >16 hours.

 

[bagels]

...in Rome.

She was definitely in Perugia on the 5th.

 

[Vixen]

Yea, it kinda defeats the purpose.

Never mind that you're stopping the air flow to the lungs, you're also stopping the blood from reaching the brain.

What kills you faster?

As the victim was drowning in her own blood anyway, it was a better effort than running away and watching the cottage from a distance.

 

[Vixen]

She was definitely in Perugia on the 5th.

Probably to help the police, as a key witness.

 

[bagels]

Probably to help the police, as a key witness.

Kind of like Amanda.

 

[Vixen]

Didn't you show us pictures of the downstairs with iron security bars over windows and the doors?

The police woman got in embarrassingly easily, with one well-placed kick.

 

[bagels]

The police woman got in embarrassingly easily, with one well-placed kick.

After the big iron gate was open...

 

[Vixen]

Forensic evidence: 16 bloody shoeprints belonging to Rudy. Rudy's DNA inside Meredith and on her purse. Rudy's bloody palm print next to her body.

Eye witnesses: Cottage all clear between 22:30 and 23:20

Circumstantial evidence: Rudy is a burglar who climbed into a second story law office by smashing the window with a rock. The cottage had a rock smashed second story window.


Yeah it doesn't fit at all

You are being less than frank. You omitted all of Raff's and Amanda's footprints found, all by exactly the same method.

 

[Grinder]

The police woman got in embarrassingly easily, with one well-placed kick.

She kicked the iron security bars? Wow. Boy those Italians can't get anything right.

 

[bagels]

You are being less than frank. You omitted all of Raff's and Amanda's footprints found, all by exactly the same method.

There were a few footprints that were undated and unmatched to anyone and tested negative for blood and DNA, yes. You're correct, I did omit them from the forensic evidence.

 

[Vixen]

Didn't see Amanda's where she hid it.

He recalled the data from various testimonies, from which, as he observed, it emerged that at around 18:00-18:30 pm, Meredith began to eat a homemade pizza with various toppings (cheese, mozzarella, eggplant and perhaps also onions) and then ate apple crumble with ice cream. This meal ended at about 20:30 pm, so he considered that the mealtime lasted from 18:30 to 20:30 pm.
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Massei summary.

Food is mixed with gastric juice. Strong muscular contractions in the stomach wall reduce the food to chyme – a thick milky material. The pyloric sphincter at the lower end of the stomach slowly releases chyme into the duodenum. Emptying the stomach takes 2–6 hours.

Time to empty
Small intestine
It takes 3–5 hours from entry to the duodenum to exit from the ileum. The small intestine’s structure of folds, villi and microvilli increases the absorptive surface area and allows maximum exposure to enzymes and complete absorption of the end products of digestion.​

As you should be able to compute your digestion timeline doesn't work. There is no evidence that Raf cooked that night.

50% of stomach contents emptied 2.5 to 3 hours
Total emptying of the stomach 4 to 5 hours
50% emptying of the small intestine 2.5 to 3 hours
Transit through the colon 30 to 40 hour​

Be that as it may, Grinder. Fact is, there was an undigested mushroom in Mez' oesophagus, together with undigested mozarella cheese and vegetable fibre in her stomach, indicating she had eaten another meal since the one at circa 16:30, otherwise even at 21:30 the stomach should have been near empty. By your criteria, it should have progressed to the duodenum by at least 20:30 at the outside.

The fact it was estimated Mez had drunk a glass of wine, and neither wine nor funghii was served at Sophie's meal, it is clear there was a further meal, as per Mignini's own belief, and as substantiated by Raff in his prison diary of having prepared a mushroom and vegetable stir fry.

 

[acbytesla]

Better to be an idiot than a callous psychopath who runs off leaving the victim to die, without calling for help and delaying discovery for >16 hours.

Oh? So you believe Rudy's stories?

Q. That he had a date with Meredith that no one can confirm?
Q. That he engaged in heavy petting with Meredith?
Q. That Meredith on her first date complained that Meredith stole her rent money?
Q. That he was taking a dump with his headphones on while his date allows some unknown man who cuts her throat?
Q. That he gets off the crapper without pulling his pants up and fights with this assailant?
Q. That Amanda wasn't there?
Q. That he tried to stop the bleeding?

Rudy went clubbing he was so disturbed.

 

[Vixen]

Given that an entire pizza 15 inches in diameter is way less than 500cc this would mean the entire pizza was still in MK's stomach.

This adds fuel to the defence timeline of events and destroys yours.

Not biologically possible.

 

[Vixen]

I think she was self absorbed and didn't want some inconvenient event ruining her dream vacation. It was a fatal mistake. She should have taken the first flight out. I certainly would have if the person sleeping next door to me was slaughtered in the night.

Yeah. **** happens!

 

[Vixen]

Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence.

After that length of time it probably would.

 

[Grinder]

Be that as it may, Grinder. Fact is, there was an undigested mushroom in Mez' oesophagus, together with undigested mozarella cheese and vegetable fibre in her stomach, indicating she had eaten another meal since the one at circa 16:30, otherwise even at 21:30 the stomach should have been near empty. By your criteria, it should have progressed to the duodenum by at least 20:30 at the outside.

The fact it was estimated Mez had drunk a glass of wine, and neither wine nor funghii was served at Sophie's meal, it is clear there was a further meal, as per Mignini's own belief, and as substantiated by Raff in his prison diary of having prepared a mushroom and vegetable stir fry.

She started eating at 18:30 not 16:30. While chyme's moving clock starts with the beginning of the meal, the stomach's emptying is influenced by the end of the meal. Perhaps she grabbed a shroom when she returned home - so what?

Actually the birdies insisted she didn't drink. They were most likely lying because she had more than one drink in her.

Please provide a quote in which Raf says he prepared a meal for her before the murder.

ETA - there is no mention of Raf cooking stir-fry in his prison diary.

 

[Vixen]

I ask for the record of communication and your response is, "it could be"!?

You say it is a fact that they are evasive, yet cite nothing?

We're no further along than your original groundless assertions.

We have discussed the evasiveness issue before. Raff claimed to have returned home alone. Amanda left it off her prison diary list in which she listed what she did as from when Mez left the cottage at 16:00, who was running late for a meal at Sophie's.

 

[Vixen]

She started eating at 18:30 not 16:30. While chyme's moving clock starts with the beginning of the meal, the stomach's emptying is influenced by the end of the meal. Perhaps she grabbed a shroom when she returned home - so what?

Actually the birdies insisted she didn't drink. They were most likely lying because she had more than one drink in her.

Please provide a quote in which Raf says he prepared a meal for her before the murder.

ETA - there is no mention of Raf cooking stir-fry in his prison diary.

The "British birds" said they ate from 16:00 onwards, earlier rather than later, and then watched a DVD, The Notebook.

18:30 is probably the latest time, hence a small apple crumble remnant. 18:30 to 21:30 is THREE hours later, outside your two-hour time frame.

 

[Vixen]

Total bull feces. Who testified in court to this? Tell me when you find it because hell will be frozen over by then.

You do know Amanda and Raff were originally charged with theft? (Later dropped by Massei. [More crumbs of comfort.])

 

[Vixen]

Yes. yes. yes. If she had run as her mother and aunt urged it would have been another circumstantial piece of evidence of guilt but she stayed which was a circumstantial piece of evidence she was guilty.

Meredith was dead by the time Curatolo saw them or didn't.

He saw them all right. The kiosk owner confirmed he was there.