Continuation Part 20: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Amanda herself describes herself as going to Italy to look for sexual adventure. By her own account she is recklessly promicuous, even putting a picture of Federico, the cocaine dealer on the train, whom she had sex with in her hotel room the same day, up on her myspace. No-one cares, except this behaviour can be a key diagnostic of a psychopathic personality. I am surprised her parents weren't concerned.


Amanda imposed these seedy characters onto the cottage in her irresponsible behaviour. Instead of getting help for Mez, whom she knew had been fatally injured, she callously delayed calling the police and subverted the investigation by making false accusations against her innocent boss.

Bruno and Marasca determined in perpetuity, as a legal fact, Amanda was at the cottage, washed off Mez blood from her person and covered up for Rudy. They decreed the burglary was staged. Only an insider at the house would have the motive to stage a burglary to distract police attention away from a resident. Bruno-Marasca decreed there were more perpetrators than just Rudy.

Police are not looking for anyone else.

What a load of BS. Bruno and Marasca did no such thing. For one thing they do not determine the truth or falsehood of such evidence. What they said was that even if those prosecution claims were true, it still did not convict them when taken "synoptically" with "all the other evidence".

You think that simply repeating the otherwise, makes M/B say things they never did.

You are also conflating events from Nov 1st with the events from Nov 5th/6th as if they are part of one event. But why let that stop with the run-on series of inflammatory posts which you provide with no evidence.

 

[bagels]

Ok I think I have a new timeline.

12:08 Amanda calls Filomena from Raffs apartment to tell her about the open door and crap in the toilet

12:11 Amanda calls Meredith twice but doesn't get through

12:12 Filomena calls Amanda and possibly doesn't get through because of Amanda just using the phone to call Meredith

12:20 Filomena calls Amanda while she is still at Raffs getting ready to leave for the cottage, the same antenna picks up this call as the earlier one. This call is over 1 minute in length. It is most likely the call Amanda recalls as Filomena calling her back asking if she is at the cottage yet and what she sees and Amanda telling her she has not yet left.

12:34 Filomena calls Amanda at the cottage soon after Amanda arrived there and discovered the break-in. This call and all subsequent calls at the cottage used a new cell antenna. Filomena remembers this as the 3rd call with Amanda she had: In her witness statement, Filomena says, "We spoke to each other for the third time and she told me that the window in my room was broken"

This tightens up the timeline a bit I think with Raff recharging his minutes, trying to break down the door, etc, and accounts for most of the time between arriving and calling the police. It also solves Vixen and Nencini's problem of Filomena's 12:20 call being a mysterious 1 minute 5 second "dropped call."

 

[Bill Williams]

Fair enough, Friends of Amanda were only relevant to the extent with a callous disregard to Knox's future well-being they pretended that her account of that evening had any credibility.
Aside from that they have been completely irrelevant.
Happy now?

It makes more "sense", so thanks for the effort. It really would help things along if you thought-through your posts to edit-out the obvious contradictions within.

Still..... you have missed the larger point. Knox's "future well-being" was helped considerably by being exonerated of a wrongful prosecution on bogus charges. Why does it even matter if her account of "that night" has any credibility?

She has no info to provide to help with understanding the how's and who's of the murder. The problem for her "future well-being" was when other continually try to impose factoids into the timeline which involve her in the murder - Raffaele, too.

You're blowing smoke and talking non sequitors. You obviously don't like the FOA. Trying to blame the FOA for the legal problems associated with a wrongful prosecution in Italy is, quite frankly, bizarre in the extreme.

 

[Bill Williams]

Amanda herself describes herself as going to Italy to look for sexual adventure. By her own account she is recklessly promicuous, even putting a picture of Federico, the cocaine dealer on the train, whom she had sex with in her hotel room the same day, up on her myspace. No-one cares, except this behaviour can be a key diagnostic of a psychopathic personality. I am surprised her parents weren't concerned.


Amanda imposed these seedy characters onto the cottage in her irresponsible behaviour. Instead of getting help for Mez, whom she knew had been fatally injured, she callously delayed calling the police and subverted the investigation by making false accusations against her innocent boss.

This slut-shaming simply has to stop. It says more about the poster than it does about the subject of the post.

 

[Vixen]

In looking over the cell phone logs I believe the 12:20 call from Filomena was answered and might have took place at Raffs. This would be consistent with the cell antenna used both at Raffs and contrasted with the different one that served all the calls at the cottage. It could be the call Amanda remembers as being Filomena asking her if she is yet at the apartment. It makes no sense for that to be the 12:12 call because this was several seconds after she just got off the phone with Filomena. I believe the short 12:12 call was possibly a busy signal that went to voicemail while Amanda was calling Meredith or went otherwise unnoticed while they were getting ready to leave Raffs.

Anyone with anything to add?

Soz, the call at 12:20 was taken. ETA: Schedule here:

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...06-Log-cellphone-Vodaphone-Knox-cleancopy.pdf

 

[query grind]

It makes more "sense", so thanks for the effort. It really would help things along if you thought-through your posts to edit-out the obvious contradictions within.

Still..... you have missed the larger point. Knox's "future well-being" was helped considerably by being exonerated of a wrongful prosecution on bogus charges.

Quite, my point was Friends of Amanda only harmed her chances of being exonerated, they did not contribute to it

She has no info to provide to help with understanding the how's and who's of the murder.

Well, we are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts.

My opinion is she does, your opinion is she does not. The judicial fact determined by the highest Italian court is she does. Only Knox and the perpetrators know what the true facts are.

 

[bagels]

Soz, the call at 12:20 was taken. As you can see, Amanda did not call the police once.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...06-Log-cellphone-Vodaphone-Knox-cleancopy.pdf

I don't think your link addresses a single point I made though.

 

[Vixen]

This slut-shaming simply has to stop. It says more about the poster than it does about the subject of the post.

The victim was brutally raped and violated by her attackers. Sorry to hurt the feelings of the callous perps, but coerced sex of the worst sort - leading to a charge of AGGRAVATED murder - IS an issue in this case.

BTW a slut is simply someone who is bad at housework.

 

[Vixen]

Could you tell us who in the cottage was sleeping with a drug supplier, and helped him with looking after his drugs whilst he was away?

Could you tell us who's boyfriend was known to Guede and brought him into contact with the housemates?

Giacomo grew cannabis plants, probably for a laugh in the way of experiment-loving students away from the confines of their Italian parents.

Rudy knew all of them from playing basketball. He even claims Amanda stopped to watch.

To try to equate this with serious organised crime involving transporting of hard class A drugs, like cocaine, cause of ferocious drug wars amongst the drug cartels in Mexico, arms trading for terrorism, prostitution, people trafficking, money laundering, etc, etc, is truly sad and pathetic.

 

[Vixen]

Totally false. And TOTALLY IRRELEVANT as you said yourself. My brother smoked pot, took and took every other drug understand the sun, yet I have never done any drugs with the exception of consuming a little alcohol, say every few years. You are painting Amanda guilty through very casual associations. On one hand, you say it doesn't matter while at the same time insinuating something nefarious.

It's really sad and says far more about you than it says anything about Amanda. Absurd tripe.

Did your brother's pot-smoking and dabbling in drugs lead to a brutal murder and rape? Thought not.


Sorry to hurt the perps' feelings for mentioning their drugged-out state which led to the demise of an innocent young woman on the brink of her career.

 

[Bill Williams]

Did your brother's pot-smoking and dabbling in drugs lead to a brutal murder and rape? Thought not.


Sorry to hurt the perps' feelings for mentioning their drugged-out state which led to the demise of an innocent young woman on the brink of her career.

You've hurt no one's feelings. You've made libellous comments. They both passed drug tests administered by police and were exonerated of the charges.

You are the only one presently in harm's way.

 

[Mike1711]

Curiously that was the theory of what the luminaries of Friends of Amanda, a certain Joe Starr.
Apparently Mignini sent Guede round to kill Knox, unfortunately she was out and he killed Kercher instead. Something to do with payback for the CIA. I never quite understood it myself.

....and of course old man Solecito took Guede for a shoe fitting before planting the shoe box. Imagine planting the wrong size shoe box?

 

[Bill Williams]

The victim was brutally raped and violated by her attackers. Sorry to hurt the feelings of the callous perps, but coerced sex of the worst sort - leading to a charge of AGGRAVATED murder - IS an issue in this case.

BTW a slut is simply someone who is bad at housework.

..... which you continue to accuse innocent people of. No one is arguing the definition of slut shaming with you. No one's feelings are hurt by your posts. Your posts slut shame.

 

[Mike1711]

Fair enough, Friends of Amanda were only relevant to the extent with a callous disregard to Knox's future well-being they pretended that her account of that evening had any credibility.
Aside from that they have been completely irrelevant.
Happy now?

It's called fighting for justice....happy now?

 

[Bill Williams]

Quite, my point was Friends of Amanda only harmed her chances of being exonerated, they did not contribute to it



Well, we are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts.

My opinion is she does, your opinion is she does not. The judicial fact determined by the highest Italian court is she does. Only Knox and the perpetrators know what the true facts are.

This is complete BS.

 

[Mr Fied]

Giacomo grew cannabis plants, probably for a laugh in the way of experiment-loving students away from the confines of their Italian parents.

Hmmmm, Giacomo, (who supplied drugs to others) took drugs for a laugh as an experiment.

Amanda (who used the same drug) was a drug crazed murderer.

No bias there.

Rudy knew all of them from playing basketball. He even claims Amanda stopped to watch.

He claims a lot of things.

Who, out of all the residents of the cottage, was he on talking terms with?
Who's part of the cottage did he visit?

To try to equate this with serious organised crime involving transporting of hard class A drugs, like cocaine, cause of ferocious drug wars amongst the drug cartels in Mexico, arms trading for terrorism, prostitution, people trafficking, money laundering, etc, etc, is truly sad and pathetic

.

So that's how Amanda got off.

It wasn't the Mafia, it was because she's the head of a Mexican drug cartel.

I've got it now.

 

[Mike1711]

Quite, my point was Friends of Amanda only harmed her chances of being exonerated, they did not contribute to it



Well, we are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts.

My opinion is she does, your opinion is she does not. The judicial fact determined by the highest Italian court is she does. Only Knox and the perpetrators know what the true facts are.

This is a totally ignorant statement from someone completely ignorant of law.

 

[Mike1711]

Did your brother's pot-smoking and dabbling in drugs lead to a brutal murder and rape? Thought not.

Sorry to hurt the perps' feelings for mentioning their drugged-out state which led to the demise of an innocent young woman on the brink of her career.

Ditto, Amanda.

 

[acbytesla]

Did your brother's pot-smoking and dabbling in drugs lead to a brutal murder and rape? Thought not.

And neither did Amanda's casual use of cannabis lead to one either. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Fallacious link my friend. It's irrelevant.

I find it amusing that you say Curatolo's daily heroin use didn't effect his faculties, vision or recall, yet you insinuate that Amanda's light use of cannabis turned her into a crazed homicidal killer.

Hmm mm .

 

[Mike1711]

Giacomo grew cannabis plants, probably for a laugh in the way of experiment-loving students away from the confines of their Italian parents.

Rudy knew all of them from playing basketball. He even claims Amanda stopped to watch.

To try to equate this with serious organised crime involving transporting of hard class A drugs, like cocaine, cause of ferocious drug wars amongst the drug cartels in Mexico, arms trading for terrorism, prostitution, people trafficking, money laundering, etc, etc, is truly sad and pathetic.

When it suits you, you are very free with assumptions.

This says something about your inability to see things objectively...but we already knew this.