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The real alien conspiracy

Alphaba said:
No human has seen or can see such advanced species, alien or not, because it fatally happen to them -and rather sooner than later if they already are on Earth- a variant of what the greatest exocosmohistorian of the galaxy narrated about the G'Gugvuntts and the Vl'hurgs:
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We see it in nature, the space time distortion of a black hole has almost the exact same properties (except much more extreme, im advocating utilizing a moderation of that effect) . All gravity is is a distortion of the geometry of spacetime. The utilization of this technology will likely be crucial to our advancement into a more advanced species, the progression of urbanization will eventually lead to a much "smaller and more efficient living environment.
 
sonjouten said:
You can mock me all you want, i actually see the humor of it.. also granted i came to that conclusion *largely based on a psilocybin trip, but also just follow up research into it(largely being unable to completely disprove it.) I know thats not evidence but it does bestow a certain level of belief to me.. im not saying go out and trip balls but.. i am saying if it seems *possible, look into it.
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Did you get your information from the LSD fuelled, channelling sessions of Carla Rueckert, with "Ra the alien", in the late 70's? Are you a cult member of the "Law of One" cult that claims half-human aliens built the pyramids and beamed President Eisenhower to another galaxy in 1954? Are you claiming these UFOs are really spiritually enlightened humans called "Wanderers"?
 

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Can you explain how you think black holes work? Because I don't think your idea of how blackholes work matches with how physics explains them.
 
abaddon said:
I happen to have overwhelming bollocks. May I be of assistance?
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So you say! How big are they?

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Oh Ok! that is overwhelming.


Sorry but that's all this thread deserves. Except for to ask the OP if she'd please use apostrophes (not for plurals though).
 
ShadowSot said:
Can you explain how you think black holes work? Because I don't think your idea of how blackholes work matches with how physics explains them.
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Gravity is a distortion of the spacetime geometry, where the mass of the event horizon literally just compresses spacetime around the blackhole itself, allowing it to change the trajectory of photons going around it (making the same star appear in the sky twice.) This effect of compressing space also has a profound effect on the flow of time distorting it (time dilation.)
 
sonjouten said:
The universe is vast.. bigger than anyone knows.. that life only exists on earth is ludicrous.. but there's things you have to accept before you can truly believe ufo's are aliens from distant worlds.. for one thing any ufo that's spotted on earth most likely originated from earth. (By my estimates 5% of ufo sightings are unexplainable, and of that 5 about 90% are advanced devices created by "super terrestrial beings)

Why do i believe that? Well i believe in evolution. Evolution is not the black and white timeline that the media would have you believe. Humans didn't come from apes, humans and apes descend from a common ancestor millions of years ago.

Time for a history lesson.. primates came from a rat like mammal that flourished after the dinosaurs extinction, leading also to the birds and other reptiles that are still alive today.. but are those the only things that survived?

I doubt it. Considering that even the most extreme extinction events humans can survive (70%+ that humanity will survive being able to reproduce albeit with a genetic bottlenecks) and the fact that reptiles are far more adaptive than we are as humans, and their genetic line has been active much longer than ours (millions of years) i think it would be naive to completely dismiss the possibility that they achieved sentient sapienism long before us. Their devices and their bodies looking very "alien" to us (theyre closer related to reptiles than humans).

They obviously have no desire to "kill" us.. though that could be synonymous with our lack of desire to "kill" cows. They've known of us for hundreds of thousands of years, probably influenced our evolution as well(seeds for religion come to mind), though most of them are actually quite indifferent to humans in general.

The reptilian super terrestrial (probably what people perceive as the greys) are likely not the only ones here, but they seem to be the most dominant. The others unaware of each other or also as indifferent.

Where are they located? Thats the easy part. They're in the ocean. You ever hear about high incidents of Soviet uso's?(unidentified submerged objects) the ocean is so vast, weve only explored 5% maybe.. and if we ever found their colonies we either wouldn't know thats what it is or they wouldn't let us tell anyone.. (Bermuda triangle comes to mind)
Are they aggressive? I doubt it. But they obviously have some kind of influence on us, for better or worse..
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Just read Charles Stross on this - Yes there are deeply alien entities in the deeps - Yes there is a treaty between you humans and the Benthonic entities. Yes excessive contemplation of non-euclidean geometry can lead to possession.
 
welshdean said:
So you say! How big are they?

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Oh Ok! that is overwhelming.


Sorry but that's all this thread deserves. Except for to ask the OP if she'd please use apostrophes (not for plurals though).
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As you can see from my avatar, my non-human anatomy will be confusing for you.
 
The mass that causes the compression of space time is extremely compressed. There is no space between those atoms.
And this time dilation makes it some anything inside or approaching it experiences time differently than that outside. How do you get from there to Marvel's microsverse?
 
sonjouten said:
Gravity is a distortion of the spacetime geometry,
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Sort of.

sonjouten said:
where the mass of the event horizon literally just compresses spacetime around the blackhole itself,
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No. Event horizons do not have any mass.

sonjouten said:
allowing it to change the trajectory of photons going around it (making the same star appear in the sky twice.) This effect of compressing space also has a profound effect on the flow of time distorting it (time dilation.)
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50 shades of wrong. Try again.
 
Hans said:
I do so because I have on my desk a can of Hormel Chili (no beans) in which a spirit of an Atlantean priest resides. He says you are 'full of it'.
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I am positive now, from grammar and spelling error coincidences, and other tools, that "Sonjuten" is a known "Law of One" cult member, fringe-resetting, from the Skeptic Society forum.

Atlantis features heavily in this cult, as they believe in "Crystal Technologies powering UFOs" and that we mere humans are descendants from Atlantis.

Atlantis was also the debunking tool against the cult, for simple reason. In the 70's an unrelated con-artist, claimed Atlantis was found off Florida. Carla, the cult leader channelled "Ra the alien", in 1979 who confirmed Atlantic was off Florida. In the late 80's the unrelated con-artist admitted to lying about location of Atlantis. In other words, Carla was directly making up stories "she thought were real" rather than really communicate with an alien.

While I was debunking this cult, I luckily came across the B-Grade. soft core science fiction film "Invasion of the Girls Snatchers" (1973), that feature Carla the cult leader, as a younger actress, talking to UFOs, while nude and assisting some men. Future cult leaders, Carla Rueckert and Don Elkins wrote the script for the B-grade science fiction film. They actually say they wanted to put out a UFO book for profit in 1973 before starting the UFO religious cult in 1979.

If the ISF moderator don't mind I would like to post my systematic debunk of this old cult. I did it at the same time as debunking the "Seth the channelled alien" cult. It is interesting because it is rare to debunk an old style 70's UFO-Channelling cult in 2016. It is also interesting as you can observe the cult converting from a "science-cult" to a "spiritual cult" in the intervening 40 years.
 

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sonjouten said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-body_problem_in_general_relativity

Ok so you dont believe that there's mass in the event horizon. Even though we know it has gravitational mass. But of course you're so very right, even if you're wrong.
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It isn't a matter of belief, it is a matter of fact.

Allow me to reduce it to a real life everyday example. Water boils at 100C at stp. Everybody knows this. So at STP 100C is a boundary between liquid water and water vapour. You are suggesting that the boundary itself must have mass. This is nonsense. If it were true, then the boundary between say the US and Canada would have mass and so forth.

The event horizon is similarly a boundary.

Try it another way. There exists a boundary between your property and your neighbours property. Does it have mass? I suspect you will agree that it does not.

An event horizon is the very same thing. A boundary and that is all. It cannot have mass any more than the boundary between your property and your neighbours.
 
abaddon said:
It isn't a matter of belief, it is a matter of fact.

Allow me to reduce it to a real life everyday example. Water boils at 100C at stp. Everybody knows this. So at STP 100C is a boundary between liquid water and water vapour. You are suggesting that the boundary itself must have mass. This is nonsense. If it were true, then the boundary between say the US and Canada would have mass and so forth.

The event horizon is similarly a boundary.

Try it another way. There exists a boundary between your property and your neighbours property. Does it have mass? I suspect you will agree that it does not.

An event horizon is the very same thing. A boundary and that is all. It cannot have mass any more than the boundary between your property and your neighbours.
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For a second there i got lost in the wording that you were claiming that no mass exists in the boundary between the us and canada, until realized you was talking about the *political boundary that separates them. And here i thought politics played very little significance in outer space.
 
JayUtah said:
Asking you to listen to what people are saying to you is not, in any way, argumentum ad populum.
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Is that what he meant by that? Damn! I wasn't expecting him to agree with our arguments*, I just wanted him to acknowledge that we were making our arguments.

Damn.




*I've been around here far too long to expect that!
 
sonjouten said:
For a second there i got lost in the wording that you were claiming that no mass exists in the boundary between the us and canada, until realized you was talking about the *political boundary that separates them. And here i thought politics played very little significance in outer space.
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And you entirely missed the point. How heavy is the boundary between ice and water? How heavy is the boundary between water and steam? How heavy is the boundary between your garden and your neighbours garden? These are the meaningless questions you ask.
 
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