Continuation Part 20: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[bagels]

And what was Amanda doing at the cottage all this time?

Watching Naruto. Raff lent her his laptop.

 

[Grinder]

Sure, it's a hack, but the salient point is, ever since his early statement, circa 5/6th November 2007, when he retracted his earlier statement as being a 'crock of ****' and stated that Amanda had asked him to lie for her Raff has never supplied Amanda with an alibi in the eight years since.

Yes he did. He said they were in the plaza from 9:27 until just before midnight.

 

[Grinder]

And what was Amanda doing at the cottage all this time?

Writing the great American novel without a light.

 

[bagels]

Writing the great American novel without a light.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. The following is my best truth and search for the REAL murder.

 

[acbytesla]

Massei, having heard ALL of the evidence, determined the phone was still at the cottage as of that time. So you sold mobile phones once.

Massei had his head up his behind. One, cannot determine conclusively where the cell phone was located at 10:13. You can only determine for sure that it was within line of sight of the specific antenna. In this case the Wind antenna. Which the cottage was. But so was the park close to the city gate near Rudy's apartment. So it could have been near either place.

However, the Wind antenna is 10 times further away than the Piazza Lupatelli antenna.
There is computer called a base station that routes cellular traffic to the best antenna according to strength of signal. The Piazza Lupatelli antenna handled almost all the cell traffic at the cottage although a few calls also were handled by the next closest antenna Aquila, which was just a little further away than Lupatelli.

This call was handled by the Wind antenna probably because the line of sight to the Lupatelli antenna was blocked by the high thick stone city wall overshadowing the Park.

But, i guess its easier to believe Massei than think for yourself.

 

[query grind]

Very quick response. IIRC the posts you are referring to, involved Rudi in his Skype call saying that he knew they claimed they had found (his?) sperm (in Italian it is the same as semen at least using online translators) but that was impossible. ...

Early reports indicated consensual sex but I don't think the English language media said anything about semen or sperm.

No, it wasn't that. It was a very explicit report stating the autopsy had found traces of sperm/semen on both the victim's vagina and rectum.
I can't remember whether it was English or Italian. It would have been between 4-6th November - since once Knox was arrested it was flushed down the memory hole
There is this one
http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/meredith-lautopsia-non-c-stata-violenza-sessuale.html
Which strongly implies semen samples were taken

The analysis confirmed that the student has had a sexual relationship before he died. But on the body lesions they have been detected that would suggest a rape. They were thus identified only a few small bruises. Taken also of organic liquid samples to be analyzed now. Still being studied by investigators still the possibility that the girl had sexual intercourse while being threatened.

I assume organic liquid samples is just being delicate

And then this one
http://www.repubblica.it/2007/11/se...cisa/elementi-autopsia/elementi-autopsia.html

PERUGIA - "It seems raped by more than one. Perhaps by two people. Merdeith Kercher has two large bruises on his cheeks. Yes, it may have been in two. While one of her abused, it is likely that another the bloccasse, tappandole mouth and squeezing her jaws. Because who raped her was holding her only firm with the right hand. only further analysis will be able to say in a few days if the organic matter taken in the girl belongs to one or two individuals. For now only guess. But the signs on body suggest more than one. "

Which hints the "organic matter" was found in two locations and likely belonged to two people. As per the article you found previously and has now slipped your memory.

It is an important issue since the most likely explanation for the semen stains on the pillow was leaking out of the victim. Yet Stefanoni claimed or suppressed the sexual assault swabs.
Now if a vaginal swab had Guede's Y profile on it, it would also have to have the Y profile of one of the owners of the semen stains.
The alternative is that Stefanoni falsely reported an oral swab that had Guede's Y profile as a vaginal swab.

This is what her report has

You can see she appears to have stuck one of the swabs in a white paper bag and written vaginale on it. The thought occurs that this could have been an oral swab that had Guede's DNA on it from when he kissed Kercher.

So wrack your brains, Grinder and see if you can't recall that early article.

ETA: or alternatively rack your brains
http://grammarist.com/usage/rack-wrack/
I shall wait with bated or baited breath

 

[Bill Williams]

Sure, it's a hack, but the salient point is, ever since his early statement, circa 5/6th November 2007, when he retracted his earlier statement as being a 'crock of ****' and stated that Amanda had asked him to lie for her Raff has never supplied Amanda with an alibi in the eight years since.

It's amazing that someone who believes he was involved needs to spread this factoid.

Read Raffaele's book. He's Amanda's alibi. It's why they arrested him and offered him a deal. Please read his book.

 

[query grind]

It's amazing that someone who believes he was involved needs to spread this factoid.

Read Raffaele's book. He's Amanda's alibi. It's why they arrested him and offered him a deal. Please read his book.

What does his latest book say on this issue? The one written in the language he is fluent in and without a ghost writer?
Ta.

 

[Bill Williams]

What does his latest book say on this issue? The one written in the language he is fluent in and without a ghost writer?
Ta.

I had wrongly assumed it was not out yet. However, it's available on Amazon.IT. I do not know if he addresses the issue in it.

 

[Vixen]

It's amazing that someone who believes he was involved needs to spread this factoid.

Read Raffaele's book. He's Amanda's alibi. It's why they arrested him and offered him a deal. Please read his book.

Oh, I see. So it's OK to libel the police. So what deal was Raff offered? Name and rank of the officer, please.

 

[acbytesla]

Oh, I see. So it's OK to libel the police. So what deal was Raff offered? Name and rank of the officer, please.

Wow! You're dancing. Raffaele will win his case just like Amanda just did.

 

[Bill Williams]

Oh, I see. So it's OK to libel the police. So what deal was Raff offered? Name and rank of the officer, please.

You may have missed that Mignini is suing Raffaele and Andrew Gumbel over this very issue. **IF** it ever gets to trial....... you may be on some grounds here, Mignini certainly thinks it is some version of "libel" to claim such.

Tell you what - let's take the outcome of that trial as definitive on this issue; you know, like the ISC last March definitively acquitted....

 

[acbytesla]

And what was Amanda doing at the cottage all this time?

How do you place Amanda at the cottage? And when do you have the murder?

 

[acbytesla]

The Timeline

Time line for Vixen
16:00-17:00 Amanda and Raffaele leave the cottage.[10]
16:50 Francesco Sollecito calls Raffaele[11]
16:56 Francesco Sollecito calls Raffaele[12]
17.45 Jovana Popovic of Serbia visits Raffaele’s apartment requesting a ride to the bus station later that night because her mother was sending a suitcase from Milan. Raffaele agreed to help. Popovic saw Amanda using the computer and everything was normal.[13]
18:27:15 VLC launched on Raffaele’s computer to play the movie Amelie.avi[14]
19:30 Guede claims he left home shortly after TG3 regional started and headed to the cottage and noticed a car parked outside the gates when he arrived.[15]
19:51 First sighting of Rudy Guede on CCTV and a parked car outside the cottage gates. Guede seen walking through the car park towards the cottage gates. CCTV time stamp is 19:41.[16]
20.01 Hekuran Kokomani’s cell phone pings off a tower servicing the cottage.[17
]20:18:12 Patrick Lumumba sends a text message to Amanda saying she wasn’t needed at work. Cell Via dell’Aquila 5-Torre dell’Acquedotto sector 3. Cell tower covers Raffaele’s apartment (See notes below). Amanda and Raffaele are watching Amelie [129min][18]
20:20 Second sighting of person thought to be Guede on car park CCTV. He is walking from left to right along the street, past the car park on the right and the cottage on the left. CCTV time stamp is 20:10.[19]
20:35:48 Amanda responds with text message to Lumumba. Message is “Certo. Ci vediamo più tardi. Buona serata” [Sure, See you later on. Have a good evening] Cell Via Berardi sector 7[20]
20:40 Jovana Popovic returns to Raffaele’s apartment to say she no longer needs a ride to the bus stop. Amanda opened the door and they spoke for two mins. Popovic said Amanda was normal, smiling and invited her inside but she declined.[21]
20:42:56 Francesco Sollecito calls Raffaele and they speak for 3 1/2 minutes. Cell Via Berardi sector 7.[22]
20:45 Time approximate: Meredith leaves Robyn Butterworth’s apartment at Via Bontempi 22 and walks part way home with Sophie Purton.[23]20:55 Sophie Purton arrives home in Via del Lupo. Source Micheli Report. “On 17 November, P[urton] made a new prosecuting magistrate deposition…correcting the time that she was back in Via del Lupo, recalling that it was still 20:55”[23]
20:56 Meredith calls her mother in England but does not receive an answer. The call is logged in the phones memory.[24]
21:01 Meredith seen on the car park CCTV walking towards the cottage gates. Time adjusted forward 10 minutes per defense theory.[25]
21:10 Human interaction on Raffaele Sollecito’s computer. [Amelie ends][26]
21.20-21.30 Rudy Guede says Meredith screamed.[27]
21:26 Spotlight metadata shows “Naruto ep 101.avi” file is opened on Raffaele’s laptop. [duration 23 minutes][28]
21:58 The number 901, corresponding to the answering machine is dialed on Meredith’s phone but the call is shut off before the end of the welcome message; after that, the phone immediately locks.[29]
22:00 A number is dialed on Meredith’s phone which corresponds to a bank [Abbey, the first number on the phone book] but no one is called, also because the mandatory prefix +44 was not entered.[30]
22:13 Meredith’s cell phone receives a MMS. Connected via wind cell 30064. GPRS [internet] lasting 9 seconds to the IP address 10.205.46.41[31]
22:00-22:30 Time approximate: Alessandra Formica and boyfriend, Lucio Minciotti, descended the stairs next to Piazza Grimana that lead to via San Antonio where their car is parked. Claims a black man [who could have been African or Indian] walking with his head down bumped into her boyfriend and continued walking in a hurry as if nothing had happened. Original police statement given to Monica Napoleoni on November 12, 2007 said “While we were going down the steps, my boyfriend was violently bumped into by a man of color, who was running very fast towards via Pinturicchio.” Minciotti told her what they’d witnessed wasn’t important and not to go the police. Formica also testifies seeing a broken down car at the car park exit and the owner standing beside it talking on a cellphone. Formica didn’t notice or look at the cottage. Note – This person seen by Formica was not Rudy Guede.[32]
22.30 Elizabeth Lana [owner of the property where the phones were dumped] receives a threatening phone call and told not to use the toilet.[33]
22.30 Time approximate: A car breaks down at the exit of the parking garage across from the cottage. Pasqualino Coletta [the driver] testified that he called for assistance and nothing out of the ordinary happened while waiting. He heard no screams or saw anyone at the cottage. Note – He was part of a group of people traveling in two cars and had just finished dinner when the car broke down. None of the group noticed or heard anything. The second car in the group parked outside the cottage gates waiting for the repair man.[34]
22.30 Elizabeth Lana [owner of the property where the phones were dumped] receives a threatening phone call and told not to use the toilet.[33]
23.00 Mechanic arrives for broken down car. Gianfranco Lombardo was called between 22.30-22.40. He left his house in Bastia and arrived within 15 to 20 minutes. In a previous verbale he had said he arrived at about 11pm. It took him 10 to 15 minutes to load up the car and document it. He finished the job at about 23:15. He noted the gate of via della Pergola was open, and there was a car parked there, probably of a dark color. Parked car belonged to a friend of Pasqualino Coletta. Lombardo didn’t see any lights on in the house. He left at the latest at 23:20 and didn’t notice anybody pass by on the road or hear any screams etc.[35] The CCTV shows Lombardo arriving at 11.14pm and the tow truck remains stationary to 11.24pm [time adjusted forward 10mins][36]
23.30 Time approximate: Nara Capezzali claims to have heard a scream.[40]

 

[query grind]

20:45 Time approximate: Meredith leaves Robyn Butterworth’s apartment at Via Bontempi 22 and walks part way home with Sophie Purton.[23]20:55 Sophie Purton arrives home in Via del Lupo. Source Micheli Report. “On 17 November, P[urton] made a new prosecuting magistrate deposition…correcting the time that she was back in Via del Lupo, recalling that it was still 20:55”[23]

Which incidentally, is why we know the carpark CCTV is giving the correct time.

One of the benefits of trying to find Grinder's article that he posted and then deleted again, is I do have a good knowledge of early reports.

According to Corriere della Serra, the police believe Ms Knox showed up because she was wearing light clothing and that anyone entering at night wearing dark clothes would be missed by the cameras

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ct-caught-on-cctv-at-murder-scene-400087.html

But that also goes for little Ms Purton, who was wearing a dark coat and suddenly appears crossing the carpark at 20:53, just after seeing Kercher into her apartment where she was undoubtedly introduced to a certain Mr Guede..

John Follain's book is littered with examples of little Ms Purton ******** herself about this.

A little bit of the lady protesting too much about it

One thought tormented Sophie, and she talked about it again and again with Meredith’s other friends Amy and Robyn: was there anything they could have done that last night to prevent Meredith being killed? Sophie, Amy and Robyn all blamed themselves.
‘Why didn’t we tell Meredith to stay with us that night? Why didn’t we ask her who was in the cottage?’ they asked each other. ‘Why didn’t I call her to see if she got home OK?’ Sophie said.
And, for Sophie, the hardest question of them all: ‘Why didn’t I walk her all the way home?’ But Sophie had never walked Meredith all the way home after a night out; she’d accompanied her to the cottage only once, when Meredith had wanted to change her shoes before going clubbing.
At the end of the day, Sophie reasoned, why should that last night have been any different? Rationally, Sophie knew that Meredith’s death wasn’t her fault, but the sense of guilt haunted her.

and then the Knox-hate derived from her fear of exposure:

But Sophie was certain that Amanda knew more than she was letting on. The fact that Amanda was in the cottage on the morning after the murder, the way she acted after the murder, and the way she had behaved in court all told her that.
Sophie’s doubts didn’t stop her hating Amanda. Even if Amanda were innocent, Sophie would hate her simply because of the callous way she had behaved at the police station and at the trial. Sophie knew she would never forgive her.

and

Sophie’s first reaction to the verdict was relief that Amanda and Raffaele had been found guilty. But a twenty-six-year sentence, she quickly realised, meant Amanda would be in her early forties, at the most, when she walked free. Sophie had wanted Amanda jailed for life, but she would still have a life ahead of her

and

They had spent much of Saturday talking about the case, and that night Sophie had felt very scared when she went upstairs, alone, to close the windows. She hadn’t felt that frightened for a couple of years and knew it was because they had talked about the details of the murder.

and

4 October 2011

On the morning after the verdict, Sophie was driving to the school where she worked as a teacher when it all hit her. She hadn’t even been thinking about the verdict when she started crying ‘out of nowhere’ and had to pull over and stop the car.
She made it to the school but told her colleagues she didn’t feel up to working that day. She needed to be on her own.

Hopefully Ms Purton has settled down now she is aware that Ms Knox is as intent of upholding the Omerta as she was/is. I can sort of imagine her being afraid of a vengeful Knox like a loose cannon in Seattle making all kinds of wild accusations!

But this is just by the by while we wait for Grinder to cough up that article reference.

 

[acbytesla]

Which incidentally, is why we know the carpark CCTV is giving the correct time.

One of the benefits of trying to find Grinder's article that he posted and then deleted again, is I do have a good knowledge of early reports.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ct-caught-on-cctv-at-murder-scene-400087.html

But that also goes for little Ms Purton, who was wearing a dark coat and suddenly appears crossing the carpark at 20:53, just after seeing Kercher into her apartment where she was undoubtedly introduced to a certain Mr Guede..

Two things.
First, the CCTV car park stamp is 10 minutes ahead of the actual time.
Second, Sophie is nowhere to be seen as she parted ways with Meredith at Via del Lupo near her apartment...you must mean Meredith.

 

[query grind]

Two things.
First, the CCTV car park stamp is 10 minutes ahead of the actual time.

No it isn't

Second, Sophie is nowhere to be seen as she parted ways with Meredith at Via del Lupo near her apartment...you must mean Meredith.

No I don't

Acbytesla, I believe we all have something to bring to this discussion. Why don't you stick with what you are good at....obsessively sniffing over Knox's 2007 sex life with Vixen?

 

[acbytesla]

No it isn't


No I don't

Acbytesla, I believe we all have something to bring to this discussion. Why don't you stick with what you are good at....obsessively sniffing over Knox's 2007 sex life with Vixen?

I can't believe you're saying nthis. The CCTV clock stamp was discussed over and over again.One of the big arguments brought up over and over is the time that the Postal police arrived on November 2nd. This was a big deal since the prosecution argued that Raffaele call the police after the Postal Police had arrived.

The prosecution argued that the time stamp showing was 10 minutes later than the actual time. It turned out that they had it flipped. It was showing a time that was 10 minutes ahead. A swing of 20 minutes.

 

[query grind]

I can't believe you're saying nthis. The CCTV clock stamp was discussed over and over again.

I think you operating under the delusion that the tiny clique of people who call themselves Friends of Amanda have any pretensions to competence.
The fact that a small group of people on the internet agree on something, doesn't make it true.

 

[Sergei Walankov]

I think you operating under the delusion that the tiny clique of people who call themselves Friends of Amanda have any pretensions to competence.
The fact that a small group of people on the internet agree on something, doesn't make it true.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't its incorrectness accepted by (at least) Massei?