The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[fuelair]

What does that have to do with gays ?

They have better fashion sense???

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne : if you can unite the strong nuclear force and gravity you will have achieved something unprecedented in physics
and will get a Nobel Prize for it as a consequence. Because unifying gravity with any or all of the other three forces is the
Theory Of Everything. And so all you need to do now is submit your findings to any peer reviewed journal for assessment

Now you know how to do it, I am not mathematician, but I think it can be ´done mathematical, - but even so, don’t you think the collective brain damage is too big ? - and that it simply would not mean anything, - you know more waste of time ?

 

[Bjarne]

That is a lie, Bjarne. Arp left voluntarily for another position.

So If I kicked you all I could in your ass, and after this gave you a ice-cream you could suck (instead) - would you then be very happy?

 

[Bjarne]

A lie about Arp being kicked out has nothing to do with gays, Bjarne .

I did not claim anything. Just ask you a question.. I mean if a man is kicked out, what does it matter he get another job somewhere.
Is a kick not a kick ?

 

[Bjarne]

Notice that your fantasies about the Michelson-Morley experiment mean nothing. The Michelson-Morley experiments rule out a luminiferous aether not moving with the Earth. Other experiments rule out an aether moving with the Earth.
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This is a lie, the interpretation of the Michelson-Morley experiment, is that Earth is not colliding with a ether.

Your delusion that the Michelson-Morley experiment is about the gravitational field does not invalidate the experiment.

Nonsense, there are no such experiments; you are dreaming or lying or both.

Source ?

 

[Bjarne]

Lots of gibberish and then the delusion that What's going on with these mysterious, ultra-red galaxies? has something to do with this thread!
The insanity of a deluded Electric Universe video yet again.
Ending with more nonsense.

Now lets say that SR will fall apart, within few years, which experimental interpretation must have went wrong ?

I know you are to orthodox conservative to at all think about that is possible, so I would properly get better answers by the nearest farmer.

 

[Bjarne]

That is a lie, Bjarne. Arp left voluntarily for another position.

This is a lie, we have his own words at the video that he was kicked

Sourse?

 

[Bjarne]

Those are extraordinary claims. Do you have mathematical models to fully describe them? What is the experimental evidence for your models?

I am not a mathematician..
You know matter sucks elastic space.
But I don’t know how much.. Maybe Reality Check also has some experience with space sucking stuff?
If it can be quantified, how much elastic space matter sucks per particle, a mathematical model can easy be made.
But even though, you have to prove that space really sucks.
Math is not enough, - so the chose is rather do we want a coherent paradigm, or do we prefer an incoherent one, filled up with rubbish as dark matter, dark energy, (nobody know what is) and denial of plenty observation that doesn’t fits in, such as dark flow, Allais effect etc.,..
It’s rather a chose.

 

[surreptitious57]

Bjarne : in post 515 you stated : Spin of elementary particles is the cause of gravity. The strong force and gravity is united. Firstly the
cause of gravity is the attraction of objects of mass to each other which has nothing to do with elementary particles. Secondly you are
now claiming you cannot unite the strong nuclear force and gravity because you are not a mathematician. Then maybe you should not
have made the claim in the first place. The laws of physics are formulated in mathematical language and so if you are not proficient in
it you should not be making statements suggesting otherwise. The Theory Of Everything or Theory Of Quantum Gravity is the attempt
to unite gravity with the strong nuclear and electroweak forces. But has so far proved next to impossible after over a century of trying
Without mathematics it cannot be done. Try to remember this from now on. So as to avoid making claims you cannot actually support

 

[Mudcat]

Could anyone help me understand just what problem people have against Einstein and General Relativity? Did he kill their dog or something?

• Newtonian gravity is a force and wrong.

You might want to reconsider the boldened part or explain what force it is keeps your feet on the ground, causes the ocean's tides, stops the Earth from being thrown from the Solar System, and allows us to slingshot probes through the depths of space at ludicrous speeds if it isn't gravity.

 

[surreptitious57]

Newton did not know that spacetime could be bent by objects of mass like stars and planets
He thought space was flat and entirely separate from time. He also did not know black holes
existed. And general relativity accounts for all of these phenomena whereas gravity does not

 

[Mudcat]

Newton did not know that spacetime could be bent by objects of mass like stars and planets

Not knowing those things does nothing to disprove the theory of gravity, anymore than Darwin not knowing about the complexity of living cells does anything to disprove the theory of evolution.

He thought space was flat and entirely separate from time.

He was a product of his time, as brilliant as he was, so he could be forgiven for thinking that.

He also did not know black holes existed.

I was about to say that we still do not know that black holes exist for sure, but found reference that we have in fact very recently observed them to exist ^source.

And general relativity accounts for all of these phenomena whereas gravity does not

All that does is help refine the theory of gravity.

 

[Pixel42]

Could anyone help me understand just what problem people have against Einstein and General Relativity? Did he kill their dog or something?

It's a puzzler all right.

You might want to reconsider the boldened part or explain what force it is keeps your feet on the ground, causes the ocean's tides, stops the Earth from being thrown from the Solar System, and allows us to slingshot probes through the depths of space at ludicrous speeds if it isn't gravity.

I think the point being made is that in General Relativity gravity is not a force, it's a geometric distortion of spacetime.

 

[Mudcat]

It's a puzzler all right.

Agreed.

I think the point being made is that in General Relativity gravity is not a force, it's a geometric distortion of spacetime.

There must be some strange definition of force with which I'm unaware of. If this geometric distortions of space/time is the mechanism that which explains all that we see then how is it not an observable, quantifiable force?

 

[Pixel42]

There must be some strange definition of force with which I'm unaware of. If this geometric distortions of space/time is the mechanism that which explains all that we see then how is it not an observable, quantifiable force?

I think it's a case of scientists defining terms a little more rigorously than laymen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force#Gravitational

Since then, and so far, general relativity has been acknowledged as the theory that best explains gravity. In GR, gravitation is not viewed as a force, but rather, objects moving freely in gravitational fields travel under their own inertia in straight lines through curved space-time – defined as the shortest space-time path between two space-time events. From the perspective of the object, all motion occurs as if there were no gravitation whatsoever. It is only when observing the motion in a global sense that the curvature of space-time can be observed and the force is inferred from the object's curved path.

 

[MikeG]

I am not a mathematician............

Math is not enough........

Maybe not, but it is an obligatory starting point. If you haven't got the maths, then you haven't got anything.

 

[Mudcat]

I think it's a case of scientists defining terms a little more rigorously than laymen.

Perhaps, but allow me to highlight the first sentence of the quotation since you so kindly made my point for me:

Since then, and so far, general relativity has been acknowledged as the theory that best explains gravity.

I would still like to know what it is that people have against Einstein and the theory of relativity. I can sort of understand why people get upset about the theory of evolution, but general relativity has no biblical ramifications that I'm aware of so it should not be objected to for the same reasons.

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne : in post 515 you stated : Spin of elementary particles is the cause of gravity. The strong force and gravity is united. Firstly the
cause of gravity is the attraction of objects of mass to each other which has nothing to do with elementary particles. Secondly you are
now claiming you cannot unite the strong nuclear force and gravity because you are not a mathematician. Then maybe you should not
have made the claim in the first place. The laws of physics are formulated in mathematical language and so if you are not proficient in
it you should not be making statements suggesting otherwise. The Theory Of Everything or Theory Of Quantum Gravity is the attempt
to unite gravity with the strong nuclear and electroweak forces. But has so far proved next to impossible after over a century of trying
Without mathematics it cannot be done. Try to remember this from now on. So as to avoid making claims you cannot actually support

If you can tell me the unit for elastic space, you can mathematical unite gravity and the strong force.
Matter and elastic space is woven together, that should be clear to you now
As well as it should be clear that if the elastic space between two pieces of matter will stretch, matter responsible for the pull in space will move.
That is all.
There is no contradiction, except maybe only in your head.
I will give a dame in the math. The world will ignore purely mathematical evidence anyway. The dane HC Ørsted did his discovery without math too, - math first came with Maxwell, and you see there are no contradiction and electricity really doesn’t care.

 

[Bjarne]

Maybe not, but it is an obligatory starting point. If you haven't got the maths, then you haven't got anything.

Wrong a theory starts with evidence or prediction, and from there is goes step by step, as i said no matter what, the world is fare from ready to understand how simple the cause of gravity and a hell mush more really is,.
Maybe the many highly paid is afraid to get unemployed, because there are no other logical reasons.

So piece by peice the old paradigm m ust come down.

 

[Pixel42]

I would still like to know what it is that people have against Einstein and the theory of relativity. I can sort of understand why people get upset about the theory of evolution, but general relativity has no biblical ramifications that I'm aware of so it should not be objected to for the same reasons.

I suspect it's just that it's hard to understand and appears to defy common sense. Common sense has, of course, proved to be a very poor guide to the true nature of the universe. Common sense says the earth is flat, and the sun goes round the earth. But for some people their common sense is the ultimate test: anything which doesn't make sense to them must be wrong.

Few people have a good understanding of the true nature of thunder and lightning, but anyone can understand "the gods are angry". That's the common sense explanation, and it is of course a perfectly adequate one. Many people have difficulty grasping how millions of years of evolution by natural selection produced the range and complexity of today's living things, but they have no trouble grasping the common sense notion "it looks designed therefore it must be designed".

Most people can't understand relativity, it doesn't make sense to them, and a few react to that failure to understand by just rejecting it and trying to produce a simpler alternative which they can understand. Note the use of the word 'simple' in Bjarne's latest post.