The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

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DuvalHMFIC said:
The sad thing is, he wants to break SR, which is ironic. SR's math is so easy freshman Physics students can (and usually will) do it. It's not hard to understand-and more importantly, it's simply an extension of Newtonian physics. I've said it many times-Newton wasn't "broken", rather added to. And SR and GR will be added too as well-why the focus on "breaking" stuff that has been experimentally proven over and over again?

Ampere's Law wasn't broken-Maxwell added to it
Newton's Laws weren't broken-Einstein added to them
I could continue....
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According to Newton gravity was a force
According the GR it is the curvature of space
But I agree, all you have to do is add the deformation of the rulers to Newtonian Gravity, that's all.
Gravity is not caused by the curvature of space.
SR and GR is only the history of proportional deformation, and that’s it.
 
Bjarne said:
Imagination is more important

Albert Einstein
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And then the ability to back up that imagination with maths. Without the maths you have no predictive value, and you've got nothing more than the electric universe dolts.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Modification of Special Relativity was necessary 100 years ago. That's what General Relativity is.
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GR was additional, not a modification

That doesn't even make sense. A force accelerates mass. That's an essential part of the definition of force. You are claiming something is a force because it's acting in a way other than the actual definition of a force. That is wrong by definition. And that's as wrong as you can ever get.
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As I just wrote above, the only thing "wrong" with Newtonian gravity, is that the ruler is a relativistic variant.. That all you need to add and Newtonian gravity is still a force, and a perfect theory..

"Curvature" has a precise mathematical definition, which is correctly applied in GR. It might confuse you, but that's your problem, not GR's problem.
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But all it does is telling you that the ruler is a relativistic variant..
Therefore the cause of gravity "looks like" curvature of space, - it is attempting to make such conclusion, but gravity it is still a force, caused by elastic space woven together with matter, also even though space (and the ruler) is stretching towards a gravitational fields, and the ruler therefore a variant.
 
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MRC_Hans said:
Who says it is?

Hans
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The left brain half see each single three and all the details in each three, - not the forest, - , it is difficult for a left brain to connect anything to an overall unknown picture.

These left brain people are good engineers, mathematicians etc, but the architect is the right brain, he have the overall picture, and he don’t understand the left brain details so good..

The right brain half see the overall picture first and then the details later. These people are often musicians artist, - dreamers , - etc.… these people have often better intuition and imagination.

Let's now look at our Universe with the right brain, - what you see is nothing is connected.. Nothing at all.

It is the overall picture that is the force of the theory.
But if you do not read the theory, and try to see that everything now comes together, you will not understand it.

It will always be difficult for you if you are a typical left brain person.
In your universe intuition is the same as self-delusion.

Your brain cannot understand it. But most likely you are an excellent mathematician.

All children have a strong right brain, but normally the left brain takes more over when growing up.

The huge problem we have with our universe is first at all a right brain issue to solve. But you will never accept this, because you don’t know what I am speaking about.
 
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Bjarne said:
The left brain half see each single three and all the details in each three, - not the forest, - , it is difficult for a left brain to connect anything to an overall unknown picture.

These left brain people are good engineers, mathematicians etc, but the architect is the right brain, he have the overall picture, and he don’t understand the left brain details so good..

The right brain half see the overall picture first and then the details later. These people are often musicians artist, - dreamers , - etc.… these people have often better intuition and imagination.

Let now look at our Universe with the right brain, - what you see is nothing is connected.. Nothing at all.

It is the overall picture that is the force of the theory.
But if you do not read the theory, and try to see that everything now comes together, you will not understand it.

It will always be difficult for you if you are a typical left brain person.
In your universe intuition is the same as self-delusion.

Your brain cannot understand it. But most likely you are an excellent mathematician.

All children have a strong right brain, but normally the left brain takes more over when growing up.

The huge problem we have without universe is first at all a right brain issue to solve. But you will never accept this, because you don’t know what I am speaking about.
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Very nice, how does any of that answer the question you were asked?
 
Bjarne said:
The left brain half see each single three and all the details in each three, - not the forest, - , it is difficult for a left brain to connect anything to an overall unknown picture.

These left brain people are good engineers, mathematicians etc, but the architect is the right brain, he have the overall picture, and he don’t understand the left brain details so good..

The right brain half see the overall picture first and then the details later. These people are often musicians artist, - dreamers , - etc.… these people have often better intuition and imagination.

Let's now look at our Universe with the right brain, - what you see is nothing is connected.. Nothing at all.

It is the overall picture that is the force of the theory.
But if you do not read the theory, and try to see that everything now comes together, you will not understand it.

It will always be difficult for you if you are a typical left brain person.
In your universe intuition is the same as self-delusion.

Your brain cannot understand it. But most likely you are an excellent mathematician.

All children have a strong right brain, but normally the left brain takes more over when growing up.

The huge problem we have with our universe is first at all a right brain issue to solve. But you will never accept this, because you don’t know what I am speaking about.
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In other words, you could not answer the question.

Hans
 
Bjarne said:
Imagination is more important



Albert Einstein
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Bjarne, you haven't even been able to get the units correct, let alone the math; you make mistakes that would embarrass a grade-schooler. Yet you seem to think the math is a detail that just gets in the way of your big ideas. You're like a wannabe Formula One champion who roars onto the track with four flat tires and then says he's been treated unfairly when he gets black flagged.


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MRC_Hans said:
In other words, you could not answer the question.

Hans
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As expected
The keywords is plenty mysteries solved in a way that the form a synthesis´
The cause of gravity is an elastic property of space, stretching towards matter, the same elastic soup is the cause of RR, and hence the same property that periodically prevent stars to escape galaxies, whereby dark matter, as matter is rubbish, - and the same property of space responsible for the pioneer anomalies, and even dark energy.
There are plenty more mysteries such simple property of nature solves.
http://www.science27.com/orbit/
 
As an EE, I have a ton of ideas that I like to try out. My imagination runs wild-especially when it's getting close to bed time. Unfortunately if the math doesn't work-neither does my idea.

Trust me, I've tried to move current with my mind before, but it's stubborn. It follows these pesky laws of electromagnetism. The nerve!
 
Bjarne said:
Imagination is more important

Albert Einstein
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And Einstein backed up his imagination with mathematical models that could be tested by experimentation and observation, everyone here is waiting for you to go beyond 'imagining'.
 
Bjarne said:
GR was additional, not a modification
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Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

As I just wrote above, the only thing "wrong" with Newtonian gravity, is that the ruler is a relativistic variant.. That all you need to add and Newtonian gravity is still a force, and a perfect theory..
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No, that's not the only problem. Newtonian gravity also has infinite propagation speed, doesn't cause time dilation, and has no gravitomagnetic component, among other things. All of which have been found experimentally, and all of which comport with GR, but NOT with Newtonian gravity.

But all it does is telling you that the ruler is a relativistic variant.
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No, it does a lot more than that. Curvature is not only mathematically defined, it is quantified.

Therefore the cause of gravity "looks like" curvature of space, - it is attempting to make such conclusion, but gravity it is still a force, caused by elastic space woven together with matter, also even though space (and the ruler) is stretching towards a gravitational fields, and the ruler therefore a variant.
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Nope, still wrong.

Bjarne, do you even understand what fictitious forces are in Newtonian mechanics? Do you understand how they arise, why they're called "fictitious", and why they are invariably proportional to mass? Because I suspect you don't. I suspect your understanding of Newtonian physics is too weak to be able to appreciate what General Relativity means, and exactly why people say that gravity isn't a force in GR.
 
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