the "the brain is a radio" analogy

annnnoid said:
The brain is currently doing absolutely immeasurable amounts of things that nobody knows the cause of.
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You keep saying that. Name one. Name one thing that the brain does that we can detect, that can't be linked to a known cause.

Of course you can't. You have no knowledge of this topic whatsoever. Your response isn't going to be an example, but more hot air.
 
Argumemnon said:
You keep saying that. Name one. Name one thing that the brain does that we can detect, that can't be linked to a known cause.

Of course you can't. You have no knowledge of this topic whatsoever. Your response isn't going to be an example, but more hot air.
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Have you ever heard the phrase: Correlation is not causation (if you're real clever you will see that the word 'causation' has the word 'cause' in it). Look it up and discover that there are people who know more than you.

Here’s a hint: A guess is not actually an explanation. I’ll just quote Beelzebuddy again since you don’t seem to get it:

Beelzebuddy said:
I assure you that anyone who claims to have a general theory of how the brain works is pulling it straight from their backsides
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Tell me Argumemnon…..does that sound like there are lots of things that we don’t know about how the brain works…or not? What the sentence means is that there are lots and lots of things we don't know the cause of. You want an example of something we don’t know the cause of…that entire stupid post of yours. There isn’t a scientist on the planet who could even begin to explain how you created it (do feel entirely free to prove me wrong…or, on the other hand, behave entirely typically and whinge and whine and produce not a scrap of evidence to support your worthless arguments).

Do you know what that means ????. Apparently not!

It means nobody knows the explicit cause of you. Nobody…anywhere…anyhow. Nobody even knows what you are. All we have are theories and guesses. That is why Beelzebuddy wrote what Beelzebuddy wrote.

Pretending Beelzebuddy did not write what Beelzebuddy very clearly wrote is called DENIAL. You’re very good at it.

I'll just quote you so I can demonstrate, once again, how blindingly moronic your argument is:

Argumemnon said:
So if the brain does something and there is no cause you can detect, then you might have an unknown force at play.
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Your brain...is doing...you. Saying it is 'neural activity' (or anything else) is a correlation, not a cause. Do you understand the difference. I don't think it is much of a stretch to assume you do not.

I’m not going to waste my time responding to you anymore. I’ll leave it to someone else to do you the favor of explaining just how dumb your arguments are.
 
annnnoid said:
Have you ever heard the phrase: Correlation is not causation (if you're real clever you will see that the word 'causation' has the word 'cause' in it). Look it up and discover that there are people who know more than you.

Here’s a hint: A guess is not actually an explanation. I’ll just quote Beelzebuddy again since you don’t seem to get it:




Tell me Argumemnon…..does that sound like there are lots of things that we don’t know about how the brain works…or not? What the sentence means is that there are lots and lots of things we don't know the cause of. You want an example of something we don’t know the cause of…that entire stupid post of yours. There isn’t a scientist on the planet who could even begin to explain how you created it (do feel entirely free to prove me wrong…or, on the other hand, behave entirely typically and whinge and whine and produce not a scrap of evidence to support your worthless arguments).

Do you know what that means ????. Apparently not!

It means nobody knows the explicit cause of you. Nobody…anywhere…anyhow. Nobody even knows what you are. All we have are theories and guesses. That is why Beelzebuddy wrote what Beelzebuddy wrote.

Pretending Beelzebuddy did not write what Beelzebuddy very clearly wrote is called DENIAL. You’re very good at it.

I'll just quote you so I can demonstrate, once again, how blindingly moronic your argument is:

Your brain...is doing...you. Saying it is 'neural activity' (or anything else) is a correlation, not a cause. Do you understand the difference. I don't think it is much of a stretch to assume you do not.

I’m not going to waste my time responding to you anymore. I’ll leave it to someone else to do you the favor of explaining just how dumb your arguments are.
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Name calling and ranting do not an argument make. There's nothing wrong with being ignorant it's staying that way (and being proud of it) that is wrong.
 
annnnoid said:
Have you ever heard the phrase: Correlation is not causation
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What does that have to do with what I said? Do you even understand what I said, I wonder?

Tell me Argumemnon…..does that sound like there are lots of things that we don’t know about how the brain works…or not?
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You are again making the same mistake you've been making for years, even though you've been corrected dozens of times. No one said we know everything, but you say we know nothing, which is not true. Do you understand that there is a middle ground between "nothing" and "everything"? Also, you again show that you don't understand what I've told you: what we know about the brain is irrelevant to my argument, which is a mere question of physics.

Do you even understand my point about particles and interactions?

You want an example of something we don’t know the cause of…that entire stupid post of yours. There isn’t a scientist on the planet who could even begin to explain how you created it (do feel entirely free to prove me wrong…or, on the other hand, behave entirely typically and whinge and whine and produce not a scrap of evidence to support your worthless arguments).
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I created it by typing on a keyboard, and it transmitted it to my computer via electricity, to the internet via same, and the forum caught it from the network and translated it back into text.

Oh, I'm sorry. You meant no one knows how my soul works, right? I know you're assuming that conclusion.

It means nobody knows the explicit cause of you.
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Meaningless twaddle.

Nobody…anywhere…anyhow.
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Your insistence that no one knows is not evidence that you are correct. You are just like any religious believer, banging your fist on the table and insisting that you are right without ever demonstrating it.

Nobody even knows what you are.
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I'm a homo sapiens male.

Your brain...is doing...you. Saying it is 'neural activity' (or anything else) is a correlation, not a cause. Do you understand the difference. I don't think it is much of a stretch to assume you do not.
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Start with that beam in your eye and we'll deal with my mote later. Begin by understanding the physical principle behind my explanation, without flailing your arms about this time, and we can move on. Your continued insistence on not making any effort to understand anything that people tell you, except the stuff that you feel agrees with what you already believe even when it doesn't, just serves to prove my point about your projection of ignorance.
 
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Argumemnon said:
What does that have to do with what I said? Do you even understand what I said, I wonder?

You are again making the same mistake you've been making for years, even though you've been corrected dozens of times. No one said we know everything, but you say we know nothing, which is not true. Do you understand that there is a middle ground between "nothing" and "everything"? Also, you again show that you don't understand what I've told you: what we know about the brain is irrelevant to my argument, which is a mere question of physics.

Do you even understand my point about particles and interactions?

I created it by typing on a keyboard, and it transmitted it to my computer via electricity, to the internet via same, and the forum caught it from the network and translated it back into text.

Oh, I'm sorry. You meant no one knows how my soul works, right? I know you're assuming that conclusion.

Meaningless twaddle.

Your insistence that no one knows is not evidence that you are correct. You are just like any religious believer, banging your fist on the table and insisting that you are right without ever demonstrating it.

I'm a homo sapiens male.

Start with that beam in your eye and we'll deal with my mote later. Begin by understanding the physical principle behind my explanation, without flailing your arms about this time, and we can move on. Your continued insistence on not making any effort to understand anything that people tell you, except the stuff that you feel agrees with what you already believe even when it doesn't, just serves to prove my point about your projection of ignorance.
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Sorry dude….to call your arguments an embarrassment would be an insult to embarrassing arguments. What is sad is that you seem so convinced that you have actually said something. What you need to do is stop trying so hard to win arguments and concentrate on actually making one. Until then…sayonara.
 
annnnoid said:
Sorry dude….to call your arguments an embarrassment would be an insult to embarrassing arguments. What is sad is that you seem so convinced that you have actually said something.
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I have said something, and you gleefully ignored it. You sidestepped both my explanation, claiming it wasn't there, and my requests, and now you act as if nothing was said at all. It's hard to imagine a more dishonest way to avoid what contradicts your silly, antiquated beliefs. But then, that's par for the course for you, annnnoid.

Until you grow a spine and decide to address the argument, here it is:
- Explain why the contention that effects on reality move particles around and that we can detect those movements is wrong.
- Name an example of a phenomenon that has no connexion to known forces.

Your shtick of pretending to not have seen any argument or evidence is wearing thin, and nobody buys it anymore. All you do is declare your ignorance to be significant and universal, and that everything is unconvincing without explaining why. And the thing is, you're proud of your ignorance and inability to respond to arguments.
 
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Argumemnon said:
What does that have to do with what I said? Do you even understand what I said, I wonder?



You are again making the same mistake you've been making for years, even though you've been corrected dozens of times. No one said we know everything, but you say we know nothing, which is not true. Do you understand that there is a middle ground between "nothing" and "everything"? Also, you again show that you don't understand what I've told you: what we know about the brain is irrelevant to my argument, which is a mere question of physics.

Do you even understand my point about particles and interactions?



I created it by typing on a keyboard, and it transmitted it to my computer via electricity, to the internet via same, and the forum caught it from the network and translated it back into text.

Oh, I'm sorry. You meant no one knows how my soul works, right? I know you're assuming that conclusion.



Meaningless twaddle.



Your insistence that no one knows is not evidence that you are correct. You are just like any religious believer, banging your fist on the table and insisting that you are right without ever demonstrating it.



I'm a homo sapiens male.



Start with that beam in your eye and we'll deal with my mote later. Begin by understanding the physical principle behind my explanation, without flailing your arms about this time, and we can move on. Your continued insistence on not making any effort to understand anything that people tell you, except the stuff that you feel agrees with what you already believe even when it doesn't, just serves to prove my point about your projection of ignorance.
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that's the part we know nothing about
 
The block I hilited in yellow - that's the chunk we have no understanding, we have no biological/chemical explanation or even a working model of how it occurs.
 
Do you have a link or reference from anyone who would claim this 'understanding' is more real than promissory?
 
So the brain being a receiver was shown to not work simply by how we can blank out, have two completely different personalities through split brain studies and how we can pretty much change everything about your personality by damaging specific regions of your brain.

The response is that well..that is simplistic. There are 2 radios.

One that transmits to our brain and one that transmits back the damage. That is the only way to make sense of the data above.

So then what is the point. If they are identical why are two needed? Also how can that second brain up there survive the complete damage of the brain down here when it does not survive minor damage?

I'm sorry but the whole concept is stupid and explains nothing.
 
annnnoid said:
Here’s a hint: A guess is not actually an explanation. I’ll just quote Beelzebuddy again since you don’t seem to get it:




Tell me Argumemnon…..does that sound like there are lots of things that we don’t know about how the brain works…or not? What the sentence means is that there are lots and lots of things we don't know the cause of. You want an example of something we don’t know the cause of…that entire stupid post of yours. There isn’t a scientist on the planet who could even begin to explain how you created it (do feel entirely free to prove me wrong…or, on the other hand, behave entirely typically and whinge and whine and produce not a scrap of evidence to support your worthless arguments).

Do you know what that means ????. Apparently not!

It means nobody knows the explicit cause of you. Nobody…anywhere…anyhow. Nobody even knows what you are. All we have are theories and guesses. That is why Beelzebuddy wrote what Beelzebuddy wrote.

Pretending Beelzebuddy did not write what Beelzebuddy very clearly wrote is called DENIAL. You’re very good at it.
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Please don't involve me in your appeals to ignorance. "We don't know how it all fits together" does not mean "it could be leprechauns."
 
IF:

"I am the brain"

THEN:

(in relation to the 'radio' topic...)

I am both a receiver and a broadcaster receiving and broadcasting to other 'I am's' which are brains receiving and broadcasting.

IF:

"I am consciousness using the brain/body."

THEN:

'I am' is not specifically who or what I really am, but something of a 'costume' I have consciously decided to wear for the sake of the experience and in that I enact my role based upon the design and ability of said costume. "I am" identifies as the costume.

Q: "Why have I decided to wear the costume and purposefully forget any prior 'I am' existence which apparently has to be the case when interacting with human form?

A: "I don't particularly know, but am free to speculate if I wish to"

Preliminary conclusion:

I am free to choose to believe/not believe whatever I want to regarding my subjective experience BUT acknowledge that in relation to the experience there are billions of others also undergoing the same overall objective shared experience and in relation to brain/body/consciousness interaction with that shared experience, forming beliefs seem particularly redundant and the best course of action is to express through language and activity positive support toward that overall experience to the duration of said experience.

What may have come 'before' and what might occur 'after' is speculation which has no particular meaning of itself in relation to the actual experience.

I do, however, acknowledge that for some/many, such questions require some kind of 'answer' in order for them to feel they are positively contributing to said overall shared experience in order for 'meaning/purpose' to form in a coherent and meaningful manner for them 'personally' but otherwise see no particular 'point' in arguing the 'gaps' in the manner which insists one 'side' must be 'right' while the other 'side' must be 'wrong'.

This is because, to 'me' it is 'beside the point' and perhaps even a distraction to the full appreciation of the actual experience...which in the moment is 'the point.'

End of 'broadcast'.
:)
 
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