Hillary Clinton is Done

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Tsukasa Buddha said:
Please tell me the names of political scientists that put any weight whatsoever in general election polls this far out. Everyone I hear says that they are notoriously unreliable.
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They have large error margins. But if they show a dead heat, the races are reasonably close together in public sentiment. Most likely Hillary is actually less likely to be elected at this point than the polls show.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Ooops. I get caught up in traps because my computer gives "now" dates sometimes in my time (12 hours ahead of you) and sometimes in the time it occurs on your side of the pond.

Still... Astore is a progressive cheerleader.
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And? I thought Hillary was arguing that she's a real progressive?

Seriously, I understand your point, but this is a Democratic primary. When Democratic voters are trying to choose a progressive candidate to lead the nation's titular progressive party, shouldn't the voices and considerations of progressive cheerleaders be given some weight?

"Elizabeth Warren's 11 Commandments of Progressivism" - http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-s-11-commandments-of-progressivism-20140718
 
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Trakar said:
Seriously, I understand your point, but this is a Democratic primary. When Democratic voters are trying to choose a progressive candidate to lead the nation's titular progressive party, shouldn't the voices and considerations of progressive cheerleaders be given some weight?
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What an amazing job you've done filling an entire convention hall with strawmen!

How is "Democrat" the title of the nation's progressive party? This is especially confusing as there have actually been US parties named "The Progressive Party." The title of the Democratic Party is Democratic Party.

Why do you assume Democratic voters are trying to choose a progressive candidate? Why assume that any one Democratic voter has anything near the same motivation of any other? All we can tell is that a large group of people have decided to try to work together.

And why would anyone's opinion about a candidate be granted more "weight" by fiat? Surely, each individual voter is capable of learning that opinion and giving it whatever weight he or she thinks it deserves.
 
Trakar said:
And? I thought Hillary was arguing that she's a real progressive?

Seriously, I understand your point, but this is a Democratic primary. When Democratic voters are trying to choose a progressive candidate to lead the nation's titular progressive party, shouldn't the voices and considerations of progressive cheerleaders be given some weight?

"Elizabeth Warren's 11 Commandments of Progressivism" - http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-s-11-commandments-of-progressivism-20140718
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My point is that this isn't the Go Bernie Go thread. It's about why "Hillary Clinton is Done". Do you really think that an opinion piece by a supporter is evidence of her "doneness"?

As is evidence by the last two Dems the public voted into office, there may not be as many seekers of truth, wisdom, and progressivism out there as you think. I have been calling for Dems to run further left since they made (IMHO) the mistake of trying to match GOP rhetoric in the shift to the right. I often cite Cuomo's (Mario) convention speech. But I'm on the left wing fringe. I believe you'll see just how "un-progressive" the electorate is if Bernie gets the nod. The right wing blog machine will tear him apart. (In case you've missed my earlier posts, the paleos are laying off Bernie, because their nipples get hard when they imagine running against an avowed socialist.)

If I see evidence that Sanders can pull votes in swing states and red states, I'll feel the Bern. Right now, he's a guy with similar beliefs to my own, but who I do not think has a hope in hell of preventing the GOP from taking the White House.

But a Progressive Puff Piece is assuredly not even remotely why "Hillary Clinton is Done".
 
Foolmewunz said:
My point is that this isn't the Go Bernie Go thread. It's about why "Hillary Clinton is Done". Do you really think that an opinion piece by a supporter is evidence of her "doneness"?
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presumably, the vast majority of both Sanders and Clinton supporters (at least currently) are reliably Democratic voters so at this point, it is still mainly a discussion where is there a more vigorous and reliable vote. Hillary's moderate reach into conservatism to cut a deal in the name of bipartisanship in order to boost economic numbers, isn't worth fighting over all the baggage she brings to a national head just by being Hillary Rodham Clinton to achieve. Win or lose, with Hillary at the top of the ticket, it will cost them down-ticket support due to reduced enthusiasm.

I fully understand that Progressive Republicans are an uncommon category of significance. But a lot of people don't catch that I use Republican as the adjective of the phrase. Locally and regionally, we lean darker purple.

Foolmewunz said:
As is evidence by the last two Dems the public voted into office,...
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"voted," or "inaugurated?" (G,O) or (C,O)? Are we ready to move on, or merely continue as before? (personally, I've never understood how losing previously makes you a stronger candidate the next time, but that's me)

Foolmewunz said:
...there may not be as many seekers of truth, wisdom, and progressivism out there as you think. I have been calling for Dems to run further left since they made (IMHO) the mistake of trying to match GOP rhetoric in the shift to the right. I often cite Cuomo's (Mario) convention speech. But I'm on the left wing fringe. I believe you'll see just how "un-progressive" the electorate is if Bernie gets the nod. The right wing blog machine will tear him apart. (In case you've missed my earlier posts, the paleos are laying off Bernie, because their nipples get hard when they imagine running against an avowed socialist.)...
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yeah, when I quit smoking cigarettes, I never got mad at people who still smoked, ...I didn't want to ride in cars with them for a long time in the winter or summer, but we found common ground when they discovered how much I liked black beans and sausage, a few grilled onions and peppers,...we all became very conscientious about cracking the window when we were emitting fumes, with concurrent appreciation. I think Bernie can do this and get some moderate and RINO Republican support. There is no real establishment Republican candidate,...they are suffering a meta-physic/psychotic schism.

Foolmewunz said:
If I see evidence that Sanders can pull votes in swing states and red states, I'll feel the Bern. Right now, he's a guy with similar beliefs to my own, but who I do not think has a hope in hell of preventing the GOP from taking the White House.

But a Progressive Puff Piece is assuredly not even remotely why "Hillary Clinton is Done".
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I didn't proof the title,...but I seriously believe she was done a long time ago, and much of it was by her own hand,...so to speak.
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Roger Ramjets said:
It would be even more interesting if...

All the Hillary haters admitted that the real reason they don't like her is because she is a woman. It could be their "47%".
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Seriously? The only reason to dislike Hillary is because she's a woman?

How about the Iraq vote? Money from Wall Street? State of the Mid East? Dodging sniper fire? Top Secret emails on her server?

I know this may come as a shock to you, but it's possible to have an intense dislike of someone without their gender playing any role at all. I wanted Elizabeth Warren to run.
 
Sanders tops Clinton by 2-to-1 margin in New Hampshire

Sanders tops Clinton by 2-to-1 margin in New Hampshire

As national polls close the gap! Here comes a bigger BERN!
(CNN)Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders continues to hold a wide lead over Hillary Clinton among likely New Hampshire primary voters, according to a new CNN/WMUR tracking poll conducted entirely after the Iowa caucuses.

Sanders stands at 61% support, up slightly from the 57% he held in a late January CNN/WMUR poll conducted before he and Clinton divided Iowa caucusgoers almost evenly on Monday night. Clinton holds 30%, down a tick from the 34% she held before the caucuses. Both changes are within the poll's margin of sampling error.

The results reflect interviews conducted during the first two and a half days of a tracking poll that will ultimately wrap together three nights worth of interviews, but give the first look at how the race is shaping up following Monday night's caucuses in Iowa.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/new-hampshire-poll-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton
 
Drip, drip, drip...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/index.html

CNN)Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, combined to earn more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until Hillary Clinton launched her presidential campaign last spring, a CNN analysis shows.

In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address. The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least $1.8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks.

The analysis was made at a time when Hillary Clinton has been under scrutiny for her ties to Wall Street, which has been a major focus of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders on the campaign trail.

"What being part of the establishment is, is in the last quarter, having a super PAC that raised $15 million from Wall Street, that throughout one's life raised a whole lot of money from the drug companies and other special interests," Sanders said at Thursday's Democratic debate hosted by MSNBC.

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The_Animus said:
Thing is that DavidJames has pointed out for a while now how the conservatives on this forum pretty much only post complaining about the democratic candidates and policies while hardly ever posting support for any particular Republican candidate or their policies. He even started a thread specifically to try to get the conservatives to do just that for a change.

No such luck though.
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Wee to be fair to the cons just look at the Republican field; theocrats, bigots, idiots, the entitled and Trump.
 
Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Resists Releasing Transcripts From Goldman Speeches

NYT said:
In response to a question at Thursday night’s debate, Hillary Clinton said she would “look into” the possibility of releasing transcripts of her paid remarks to banking, corporate and financial services companies like Goldman Sachs.

But by Friday morning, it did not appear that much looking was underway.

Joel Benenson, Mrs. Clinton’s pollster, gave little indication at a Wall Street Journal breakfast with reporters that the transcripts would be forthcoming.

“I don’t think voters are interested in the transcripts of her speeches,” he said. [...]
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:rolleyes:
 
Two views about those emails:
So Clinton’s defense that the information was not “marked” classified does not absolve her of wrongdoing. Quite the opposite, it puts her in greater legal jeopardy.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e8022e-c36a-11e5-8965-0607e0e265ce_story.html

There is nothing trivial about a secretary of state having top-secret information on an unsecured computer in her home. ..... As a precaution, the manager in the White House dugout might consider telling the bullpen to start warming up Joe Biden.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...69dfea-cc18-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html

Marc Thiessen is a right-wing ideologue. But Colbert King is a thoughtful progressive. This is what Hillary is going to be dealing with throughout the primaries and, if nominated, all the way up to the election. It won't go away.
 
Dog Town said:
Yes, I noticed that too. :D
Possibly the most interesting thing tonight was, asking her to release the transcripts from the speeches to Banks, etc...
She said she would look into it, but the fear washed over her face as her lips moved!:thumbsup:

So...that's never going to happen.
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Childlike Empress said:
Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Resists Releasing Transcripts From Goldman Speeches

Originally Posted by NYT
In response to a question at Thursday night’s debate, Hillary Clinton said she would “look into” the possibility of releasing transcripts of her paid remarks to banking, corporate and financial services companies like Goldman Sachs.

But by Friday morning, it did not appear that much looking was underway.

Joel Benenson, Mrs. Clinton’s pollster, gave little indication at a Wall Street Journal breakfast with reporters that the transcripts would be forthcoming.

“I don’t think voters are interested in the transcripts of her speeches,” he said. [...]
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:rolleyes:
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Yeah, I called that! I wonder what they are afraid of? Besides showing how bought and paid for HiLIARy is!

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