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Yet more NLP BS

Daylightstar, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_neuro-linguistic_programming#Meta_model

"The NLP meta-model, being based on the verbal patterning of Fritz Perls and Virginia Satir, is intended to facilitate detecting the indicators of limiting beliefs and restrictive thinking. The questions in the meta-model are designed to bring clarity to the clients language and so to their underlying restrictive thinking and beliefs." (Wikipedia)
 
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Since you have now edited the below post after I replied:
Maartenn100 said:
Daylightstar, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_neuro-linguistic_programming#Meta_model

"The NLP meta-model, being based on the verbal patterning of Fritz Perls and Virginia Satir, is intended to facilitate detecting the indicators of limiting beliefs and restrictive thinking. The questions in the meta-model are designed to bring clarity to the clients language and so to their underlying restrictive thinking and beliefs." (Wikipedia)
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Don't you like the link about the meta model you provided earlier, and asked me to read, anymore?
Maartenn100 said:
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The meta-model is a very useful model. I gave you the link. Please read it, before you conclude that it is nonsense. ...
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I have a good dutch book about the meta-model. It's even better then the wikipage. But I'm not going to write it all down for you. You need to do an effort yourself when you want to study this.
 
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Maartenn100 said:
I have a good dutch book about the meta-model. It's even better then the wikipage. But I'm not going to write it all down for you. You need to do an effort yourself when you want to study this.
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You don't have to write it all down for me. You already provided a link, which you asked me to read.
Based on that link I had some questions for you, here and here

Could you answer those, please?
 
The Meta Model is a set of language patterns with specific questions intended to obtain information and to help the other connect his world model again with his concrete experiences. It restores the connection between language and experience. The Meta Model enables you to choose exactly those words which have a meaning on the 'map' of the other and to accurately determine what the other means with his or her words.

http://www.mindacademy.com/nlp/metamodel

f.e. Daylighstar: "NLP is nonsense".

When I use the meta model of NLP, I will ask the question: what in NLP, more specifically, is 'nonsense' and why exactly?

I will not accept links to sceptical websites, but I really want to know what you, Daylighstar, find 'nonsense' about what in NLP and why exactly.

It's a model to invite you to ask questions first and to listen, then to answer.
 
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Maartenn100 said:
The Meta Model is a set of language patterns with specific questions intended to obtain information and to help the other connect his world model again with his concrete experiences. It restores the connection between language and experience. The Meta Model enables you to choose exactly those words which have a meaning on the 'map' of the other and to accurately determine what the other means with his or her words.

http://www.mindacademy.com/nlp/metamodel

f.e. Daylighstar: "NLP is nonsense".

When I use the meta model of NLP, I will ask the question: what in NLP, more specifically, is 'nonsense' and why exactly?

I will not accept links to sceptical websites, but I really want to know what you, Daylighstar, find 'nonsense' about what in NLP and why exactly.

It's a model to invite you to ask questions first and to listen, then to answer.
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From that link:
"The model allows us to discover deletions, distortions and generalisations in our language."

Alright, so, the basically the same as in the quote you provided earlier.
Which brings us right back to the questions I had for you based on the link you provided earlier.

WOuld you now be so kind to answer the questions referenced here:
Daylightstar said:
You don't have to write it all down for me. You already provided a link, which you asked me to read.
Based on that link I had some questions for you, here and here

Could you answer those, please?
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Daylighstar said:
How would you identify such 'problematic deletions'?
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and

Daylightstar said:
How do you feel about 'Deletion'? Is that something you recognize in yourself?
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Yes I recognize that:

A simple deletion is one with missing or insufficient information:

“I have been travelling”

Questions to ask: Where have you been travelling? When did you travel? How did you travel? Were you alone or with another or others?

“Listen”

Question to ask: To what?

“You are so good”

Questions to ask: At what? How do you know I am so good?

“I don’t know”

Questions to ask: Don’t know what? How do you know you don’t know?

“I hurt my arm”

Questions to ask: Which arm? How did you hurt it?
 
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Maartenn100 said:
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I will not accept links to sceptical websites, but I really want to know what you, Daylighstar, find 'nonsense' about what in NLP and why exactly.

It's a model to invite you to ask questions first and to listen, then to answer.
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You are not applying your model. You conclude first that I find nonsense in NLP then you ask me to explain why your conclusion would be correct.
 
No, my question is: what exaclty do you find nonsense about NLP (after studying it) and why exactly (what is your reasoning behind it)?
(without giving links of articles of other critical thinkers).

That's an application of the meta-model.
 
Maartenn100 said:
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Yes I recognize that:

A simple deletion is one with missing or insufficient information:

“I have been travelling”

Questions to ask: Where have you been travelling? When did you travel? How did you travel? Were you alone or with another or others?

“Listen”

Question to ask: To what?

“You are so good”

Questions to ask: At what? How do you know I am so good?

“I don’t know”

Questions to ask: Don’t know what? How do you know you don’t know?

“I hurt my arm”

Questions to ask: Which arm? How did you hurt it?
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Hilites by Daylighstar
No, a deletion is selectively excluding information about one's experience.
Which 'deletion' do you believe you recognize in yourself?
 
Maartenn100 said:
No, my question is: what exaclty do you find nonsense about NLP (after studying it) and why exactly (what is your reasoning behind it)?
(without giving links of articles of other critical thinkers).

That's an application of the meta-model.
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It's not.
You have first drawn a conclusion, now you ask me to explain that conclusion.
 
No, selectively can be unconscious. F.e. we unconsciously filter information.
 
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