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The real test of acceptance is whether or not a published work is noticed and contributes meaningfully to debate - being cited and stocked in libraries.

Agreed!

Carrier's work has been cited externally only 5 times, is stocked by only 50 or so libraries and has not attracted academic attention. This is the real "peer review" of On the Historicity of Jesus

How does that compare to other books in the same academic subniche, such as The Jesus Puzzle by Doherty or The Jesus Legend by Wells?

Parenthetically, I wish someone would write The Quest for the Historical Elevator Guy.
 
Agreed!



How does that compare to other books in the same academic subniche, such as The Jesus Puzzle by Doherty or The Jesus Legend by Wells?

Parenthetically, I wish someone would write The Quest for the Historical Elevator Guy.
Now that I would read!
 
Agreed!

How does that compare to other books in the same academic subniche, such as The Jesus Puzzle by Doherty or The Jesus Legend by Wells?

Side note, but I've looked at some of Acharya S's books and they are full of misinformation and terrible scholarship. Ideas featured in the CT movie Zeitgeist. She and her fans are also some of the most sensitive to criticism folks I've ever seen.

I'm not sure to what degree these "Jesus Myth" theories relate to Carrier's work, if any. However, I do think it's very odd to focus so much effort on debating whether or not Jesus was a real person when "Jesus existed" is easily one of the most plausible claims posed by Christianity, amid a sea of claims that range from extremely implausible to conclusively disproven. No amount of research or argumentation will change that.
 
Side note, but I've looked at some of Acharya S's books and they are full of misinformation and terrible scholarship. Ideas featured in the CT movie Zeitgeist. She and her fans are also some of the most sensitive to criticism folks I've ever seen.

I'm not sure to what degree these "Jesus Myth" theories relate to Carrier's work, if any. However, I do think it's very odd to focus so much effort on debating whether or not Jesus was a real person when "Jesus existed" is easily one of the most plausible claims posed by Christianity, amid a sea of claims that range from extremely implausible to conclusively disproven. No amount of research or argumentation will change that.

I used to feel the same way. I found Doherty's The Jesus Puzzle interesting, but felt that it was kind of far fetched, and was willing to accept the expert consensus that there was a historical Jesus. That all changed when I read Bart Ehrman's Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth which laid out the argument for there being a historical Jesus for a lay audience. I generally like Ehrman's work, but my reaction to that book was: "That's It!? That flimsy evidence is the source of the expert consensus on the historicity of Jesus?". It was a real let down, and made me reconsider my dismissal of the whole idea of mythicism. Now I am of the opinion that it is probably impossible to really say with any certainty one way or the other, but I lean toward mythicism being slightly more likely.

Now, as far as Carrier's book goes, I found the information in it fairly interesting, but I don't think his statistical analysis is very solid. That sort of Bayesian Analysis just doesn't work well when you have such scant amounts of data to work with.
 
Side note, but I've looked at some of Acharya S's books and they are full of misinformation and terrible scholarship. Ideas featured in the CT movie Zeitgeist. She and her fans are also some of the most sensitive to criticism folks I've ever seen.

I'm not sure to what degree these "Jesus Myth" theories relate to Carrier's work, if any. However, I do think it's very odd to focus so much effort on debating whether or not Jesus was a real person when "Jesus existed" is easily one of the most plausible claims posed by Christianity, amid a sea of claims that range from extremely implausible to conclusively disproven. No amount of research or argumentation will change that.

The claim by Christians that Jesus in their Bible existed is most ridiculous. The Christians who Canonised the Bible stories of their Jesus admitted he was the son of a Ghost.

Jesus Existed is easily the most implausible claim known to mankind.
 
I used to feel the same way. I found Doherty's The Jesus Puzzle interesting, but felt that it was kind of far fetched, and was willing to accept the expert consensus that there was a historical Jesus. That all changed when I read Bart Ehrman's Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth which laid out the argument for there being a historical Jesus for a lay audience. I generally like Ehrman's work, but my reaction to that book was: "That's It!? That flimsy evidence is the source of the expert consensus on the historicity of Jesus?". It was a real let down, and made me reconsider my dismissal of the whole idea of mythicism. Now I am of the opinion that it is probably impossible to really say with any certainty one way or the other, but I lean toward mythicism being slightly more likely.

Now, as far as Carrier's book goes, I found the information in it fairly interesting, but I don't think his statistical analysis is very solid. That sort of Bayesian Analysis just doesn't work well when you have such scant amounts of data to work with.

Well I said "plausible", not "proven".
 
Side note, but I've looked at some of Acharya S's books and they are full of misinformation and terrible scholarship. Ideas featured in the CT movie Zeitgeist.

This is all true enough, but we should not assume Dr. Carrier and the late D.M. Murdock are running plays from the same mythicist playbook. For example, she sees numerous parallels where he does not: http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/294

I'm not sure to what degree these "Jesus Myth" theories relate to Carrier's work, if any. However, I do think it's very odd to focus so much effort on debating whether or not Jesus was a real person when "Jesus existed" is easily one of the most plausible claims posed by Christianity, amid a sea of claims that range from extremely implausible to conclusively disproven.

It certainly is quite plausible that an itinerant faith-healing rabbi with an eschatological vision would gain a following in first century Galilee. What is much harder to prove is that said rabbi said or did enough of the things we associate with the Biblical character called Jesus so that it would make sense to say the character was rooted in one particular historical person.

I used to feel the same way. I found Doherty's The Jesus Puzzle interesting, but felt that it was kind of far fetched, and was willing to accept the expert consensus that there was a historical Jesus. That all changed when I read Bart Ehrman's Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth which laid out the argument for there being a historical Jesus for a lay audience. I generally like Ehrman's work, but my reaction to that book was: "That's It!? That flimsy evidence is the source of the expert consensus on the historicity of Jesus?". It was a real let down, and made me reconsider my dismissal of the whole idea of mythicism.
As well it should. At least we cannot fault Ehrman for unwarranted puffery. :D
 
I used to feel the same way. I found Doherty's The Jesus Puzzle interesting, but felt that it was kind of far fetched, and was willing to accept the expert consensus that there was a historical Jesus. That all changed when I read Bart Ehrman's Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth which laid out the argument for there being a historical Jesus for a lay audience. I generally like Ehrman's work, but my reaction to that book was: "That's It!? That flimsy evidence is the source of the expert consensus on the historicity of Jesus?"
I especially liked the bewildering contrast between the impression you describe (which I share), and Ehrman's utterly dismissive tone in that book.
 
In which Mr. Michael Nugent takes another large bite out of PZ Myers
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Well deserved, that one. As the keyboard warriors for social justice grow ever more desperate, their threat narrative becomes ever more fictional.

:boxedin:
 
Myers sure does hate atheists.

It's strange that SJWs don't have a word for that given how popular atheists are in America.

This article is the first time I've ever run across the word secularphobia.

Maybe Myers found religion and is loathe to admit it.
 
Do you guys happen to remember when Atheism Plus tried to launch their own blog network, dedicated to atheism and social justice?

https://www.google.com/search?q="burning+bridges+blog+network"

Me neither. Anyhow, it would appear that another such attempt may well be in progress.

"The Orbit" http://sfy.co/h1GWO

(Of course, it could just be an elaborate hoax. Time will tell.)

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Ya

it's weird

I was reading a piece over at Miri's last month and the "Read more...." link redirected me to a completely different site in order to finish the article.

Maybe the S.S.Freethoughtblogs is taking on water.
 
Ya

it's weird

I was reading a piece over at Miri's last month and the "Read more...." link redirected me to a completely different site in order to finish the article.

Maybe the S.S.Freethoughtblogs is taking on water.

Maybe? It has been for quite a while.

I only keep going there because one of the bloggers is kind of a friend.
 
The first link goes to Archive.is and is a record of a twitter exchange between several people discussing how Myers is dealing with an accusation of rape against NdGT. Myers wasn't nothing to do with and that's what's being contrasted against his infamous grenade post.

The second link is the woman whose accusing NdGT of rape ( 1983-1984 ) that judging by the website, there's a small chance she might be a little whackadoodle.

Myers is being taken to task for failing to "always believe the victim"
 
The first link comes up as a security risk for me. The second reads like an overdone poe--incomprensible.

Could you translate this information into some kind of rational narrative?

Seconded. She really needs some kind of Earth/Mars translation guide for those of us that aren't "celestial beings."
 

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