Split Thread the TM and anti-semitism

[Notconvinced]

Where is the evidence that Bazant's work is so obviously false? Why haven't other professionals and academics in the filed pointed out these obvious flaws in the work?

The evidence is in the work itself.

Not everyone can be brave.


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[Notconvinced]

An Idiot calling the idiots, idiots.



Nukes did 911, is the top of the delusional claims...



http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/28/deconstructing-christopher-bollyn-and-steve-jones/



Veteran Today, PrisonPlanet, the BS fuel for nuts in 911 truth.

Veterans today, a state sponsored misinformation website. You pay attention to that crap?


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[Nick Terry]

Veterans today, a state sponsored misinformation website. You pay attention to that crap?

Which state sponsors it and how much does sponsorship cost?

 

[Oystein]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/28/deconstructing-christopher-bollyn-and-steve-jones/

Apparently he doesn't go for the Nukes so he must be a shill.

Priceless!

On a side note: I like the interjection by Daniel Noel, the AE911Truth chief gatekeeper urrr I mean leader of the Presenters Team:

...the innumerable institutional watchdogs whose vested interests called them to forcefully denounce the 9/11 false flag (Muslims, liberals, anti-war groups, human rights groups, "hostile" and "rogue" governments, civil engineering faculties, etc.) have failed to bark, all over the world

How very true!

All those institutions with standing and expertise did in fact not "bark", i.e. they all summarily reject the claims of 9/11 Truth, no matter what their flavor! I have hardly ever seen a representative of any important Truth group come this close to admitting total and utter defeat and their own obscurity!

 

[Oystein]

Veterans today, a state sponsored misinformation website. You pay attention to that crap?

What crap do you pay attention to?

What was YOUR source for the claim that Bazant and Chertoff are "Israelis"?
What was YOUR source for the claim that Bazant is a Jew? (I dropped a hint for you)
Will you retract your false assertion that Bazant is a Jew, now that you know that his catholic grandfather was arrested and almost deported to Auschwitz for being a leader of the Czech-nationalistic (and tendentially anti-Jewish) Sokol movement?
What is your evidence that Chertoff is an Israeli, or will you retract that claim?

And of course: What's your evidence for the claim that VT is state sponsored?

 

[beachnut]

Veterans today, a state sponsored misinformation website. You pay attention to that crap? ...

VT have the same evidence for their 911 claims, as you do; zero. If VT is a state sponsored misinformation website, it appears the same could be said about you, as you spread false information, lies and make up BS about 911, the same as VT.

 

[trustbutverify]

Veterans today, a state sponsored misinformation website. You pay attention to that crap?


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Which state sponsors VT? As far as I know, it's a neo-Nazi website pretending to be some sort of "veteran's" outfit. Are you claiming the Kremlin is behind it?

 

[trustbutverify]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/28/deconstructing-christopher-bollyn-and-steve-jones/

Apparently he doesn't go for the Nukes so he must be a shill.

Fission and fusion? Geez.

 

[beachnut]

Which state sponsors VT? As far as I know, it's a neo-Nazi website pretending to be some sort of "veteran's" outfit. Are you claiming the Kremlin is behind it?

The State of Confusion and the State of Insanity; the same States which sponsor 9/11 Truth.

 

[tsig]

Oh really? Where did you source that gem from?

The porcelain throne.

 

[Notconvinced]

What was YOUR source for the claim that Bazant and Chertoff are "Israelis"?
What was YOUR source for the claim that Bazant is a Jew? (I dropped a hint for you)

I was first clued into Chertoff's status by the Bollyn video "Missing Links". The video was heavily slanted against Israel, but it fascinated me that Chertoff held duel citizenship, as did so many members of PNAC. Remember, I have viewed Chertoff's actions at the DOJ as unconstitutional and treasonous, therefore the notion that he held dual citizenship was interesting. It matters not that the second citizenry was Israeli. If Chertoff and the majority of the PNAC were Zulu, I would claim that its interesting that so many involved in the 911 crime were African. I would not make that claim because I was 'racist' or 'anti-african'. Your notion that my interest in Israeli involvement in 911 is misguided/anti-semitic is ill founded and inaccurate. Similar sources got my interest in Bazant, and again... made his fraud a bit more palatable. While trying to understand one's motives, it's easier to imagine that somebody would so ardently defend the murder of 2000+ Americans if their loyalty was actually elsewhere. This is why I've assumed Bazant held/holds dual citizenry. i maintain the claim that the 911 truth movement is NOT anti-Semitic, nor am I, and any attempt to formally allege otherwise is nothing more than well poisoning.

Will you retract your false assertion that Bazant is a Jew, now that you know that his catholic grandfather was arrested and almost deported to Auschwitz for being a leader of the Czech-nationalistic (and tendentially anti-Jewish) Sokol movement?

I did mistakenly forget that Jews were not the only people interned in the WWII camps. So for now, I'm agnostic on the matter. Ive tried reaching out to Bazant directly for clarification, so if he responds I'll let you know. I do not yet retract the claim because I know from my own family's history that historically Jews have hidden their faith, so it's possible that the baptism was just that. Furthermore, I haven't vetted your source, so... with respect to whether or not Bazant is Jewish, it simply doesn't matter and I'm sorry for bringing it up in such context. What matters is that he has worked very hard to define and defend what might be arguably the most massive of all lies ever perpetrated against humanity.

What is your evidence that Chertoff is an Israeli, or will you retract that claim?

I'll retract that claim because I have no evidence one way or another, am trusting other's research, and would personally rather research other aspects of the 911 debate, so on this issue... I'm agnostic as well. My father was the director of international affairs for the criminal division before the Bush W. administration destroyed its integrity. Maybe Chertoff was just following orders? I don't know. I do know that the lack of proper public investigation into the WTC1,2,& 7 bombings is remarkable and seems to go against what used to be the nature of the DOJ. It's possible that I'm just caught up in Dad's nostalgia though. A critical examination of the DOJ reveals failings in:

JFK's murder
RFK's murder
MLK's murder
Prosecution of Ruby Ridge sniper
Posse Comitatus at WACO
Whitewater laundering investigation
Murrah double bombing investigation
CIA drug running for decades
ad nauseum

So I guess as I think about it... Chertoff's failings aren't that surprising actually.

And of course: What's your evidence for the claim that VT is state sponsored?

Sorry, but that's confidential. I'd be happy to work with you or anyone else here on a private consulting basis if you're interested. I won't be 'spooked if you contact me directly. Perhaps even TCG could take on the task?

 

[trustbutverify]

Sorry, but that's confidential. I'd be happy to work with you or anyone else here on a private consulting basis if you're interested. I won't be 'spooked if you contact me directly. Perhaps even TCG could take on the task?

In other words, you have ZERO evidence VT is "state-sponsored", and just made that up. Right?

 

[ProBonoShill]

It's inevitable that another University will categorically annihilate the implausible fiction that is Bazant's WTC work. They will do it because it's correct, not out of antisemitism.

Here's Zednek himself relaying the story of his grandfather narrowly escaping death in the concentration camps. http://youtu.be/Ov3W5odcdpU

I concede that the meaning 'military recruit' is just a coincidence, and that our Jewish friend Bazant is less likely deep cover and more likely just overtly loyal to the MIMAC. Given that the ASCE published his nonsense so quickly after the tragedy, the treachery was clearly a coordinated effort.


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Thanks for admitting you have no evidence.

Your fairytale delusions about Bazant's work are of no interest to me.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I did mistakenly forget that Jews were not the only people interned in the WWII camps. So for now, I'm agnostic on the matter.

[...]

I'll retract that claim because I have no evidence one way or another, am trusting other's research, and would personally rather research other aspects of the 911 debate, so on this issue... I'm agnostic as well.

So, having retracted the claims that Chertoff and Bazant are Israelis, do you retract your suspicion of Israeli involvement in 9/11, which was based on the incorrect belief that they were?

Dave

 

[carlitos]

Sorry, but that's confidential.

I totally do have a girlfriend, but she lives in another town so you haven't ever seen her.

 

[HotRodDeluxe]

Veterans today, a state sponsored misinformation website. You pay attention to that crap?

Hilarious stuff.

From their own site:

"Veterans Today (VT) is an online journal representing the position of members of the military and veteran community in areas of national security, geopolitical stability and domestic policy.

VT is the only independent, unaligned voice of its kind in America, accepting no financial support from any organization or individual, existing solely for news, opinion, and educational purposes.

Spanning the political spectrum, we support the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.

VT is part of the Veterans Today Network, a network of over 60 sites independently operated and owned serving the U.S. Military-Veterans Community.

VT writers and editors are veterans or proven veterans’ advocates."

http://www.veteranstoday.com/contact/about-us/

The day that it becomes a 'government sponsored disinformation site' is the day Fetzer has a conniption. Basically, it is an independent, 'fringe' site that panders to fruitcakes. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Notconvinced]

So, having retracted the claims that Chertoff and Bazant are Israelis, do you retract your suspicion of Israeli involvement in 9/11, which was based on the incorrect belief that they were?

Dave

No. Did you miss the part about the PNAC signatories? The "dancing Israeli's"? The Gelatin art students?

I've only said that I don't know with certainty that Bazant and Chertoff are duel citizens.

 

[beachnut]

No. Did you miss the part about the PNAC signatories? The "dancing Israeli's"? The Gelatin art students?

I've only said that I don't know with certainty that Bazant and Chertoff are duel citizens.

What does 911 truth know about 911? So far 911 truth has no clue what happened on 911. No evidence, no clue, the best that 911 truth has to offer.

PNAC has nothing to do with 911. Thus there is nothing to miss, but BS, and idiotic claims when it comes to PNAC from 911 truth failed followers.
Trying to tie "dancing Israeli's" to 911, is BS from anti-semitic 911 truth nuts.
And Gelatin art students have nothing to do with 911.


The nuts in 911 truth who are anti-semitic are a perfect fit with the anti-intellectual theme which permeates 911 truth to the core.

 

[Dave Rogers]

No. Did you miss the part about the PNAC signatories?

Remind me - were some of them actually Israeli, or were they just Jewish and therefore assumed by you to be Israeli dual citizens?

The "dancing Israeli's"?

Interrogated by the US security services and found not to have any involvement in the attacks.

The Gelatin art students?

Remind me what connection was ever established between them and the attacks.

I've only said that I don't know with certainty that Bazant and Chertoff are duel citizens.

But also made it clear that as soon as one libel is exposed, you're ready to make up a few more. Funny how they always feature Israel, and you're not interested in looking into the possible involvement of any other nation.

Dave

 

[Oystein]

I've only said that I don't know with certainty that Bazant and Chertoff are duel citizens.

Seriously, that is what you say now?
You don't know with certainty that Bazant is a dual citizen?
Are you saying you still claim that Bazant is a dual citizen, you just aren't totally sure?

You had claimed that Bazant is an Israeli citizen.
What was your source of that claim? Did you make it up in your own mind? If so, how is that NOT anti-semitic, given that you think he is a bad bad criminal? Or did you copy that FALSE claim from the lying rants of a rabid anti-semite like Bollyn and believed it uncritically? Then how is that not anti-semitic?