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TheL8Elvis said:
As I thought. Conspiracy section is --->

Unless, of course, you have a more reasonable explanation as to why she so clearly (to you) broke laws, but the only people claiming she did so are right wing opinion piece authors and people on the Internet.

I look forward to you explanation.
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For someone who won't answer any questions directed towards them, you seem fairly demanding of explanations to questions I've already answered. Notably:

When was the last day she could have complied with the law (and please provide cite and reasoning)?

When did she turn over the records?

As for the claim of a conspiracy? It's a fact. It just doesn't happen. And it's far from new.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
IOW, you can't name a single harmful thing...
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It has been brought up a number of times why her email set up was improper. Whether you decide to provide a counter argument using partisan blinders or address the argument objectively is your call. I'm simply pointing out that your arguments are based on the former, not the latter.

For the record... and as an example in a Federal context - people that work for the census bureau that do what Clinton has done are penalized under federal law. And that is without any transmitted data being of classified nature. So... if you want to continue pretending that there's absolutely NOTHING wrong under any circumstance go ahead. It looks to me however from looking at non-governmental and Federal policies that practices similar to what she engaged in are heavily penalized, something you've rejected several times without ever backing up to any meaningful level


Data Stewardship
The Census Bureau collects and processes data from many different sources. Much of this data is sensitive in nature
and is protected under the Privacy Act, Title 13, Title 26, and Title 42 of the U.S. Code. Title 5, which applies to the
protection of personnel (i.e. Human Resources) data, is also found within the U.S. Code. This law makes the release
of covered data a criminal act punishable by Federal Law. Therefore, the unauthorized use of sensitive data by
employees and contractors is prohibited. Sensitive data may not be transmitted in any form without the appropriate
encryption.

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E-mail Use
Census Bureau personnel should take into consideration the following when utilizing the e-mail system (either
through workstation software or remote Internet access):
• Consider all messages sent over the Census Bureau computer and communications systems as Census
Bureau property (there should be no expectation of privacy associated with information sent through
Census Bureau systems)
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• Do not send sensitive data of any kind in the text of e-mail (all data must be encrypted and sent as an
attachment)
• Lock the terminal, log out of the session, or use a password protected screen saver when leaving the
computer while still in e-mail
• Do not send illegal transmissions (respect copyright laws)
• Follow established retention (archiving) policies
• Consent to monitoring and review activities
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Complete question and point dodge noted.

IOW, you can't name a single harmful thing having a private email server resulted in.

:thumbsup:
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Yup, an anyone who hacked her server would be unable to avoid telling the entire world that they did it. So if it happened, we would definitely know.
 
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Hmmm: Hillary’s team copied intel off top-secret server to email

New York Post said:
The FBI is investigating whether members of Hillary Clinton’s inner circle “cut and pasted” material from the government’s classified network so that it could be sent to her private e-mail address, former State Department security officials say. [...]

Somehow, highly classified information from SIPRNet, as well as even the super-secure JWICS, jumped from those closed systems to the open system and turned up in at least 1,340 of Clinton’s home e-mails — including several the CIA earlier this month flagged as containing ultra-secret Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Programs, a subset of SCI. [...]

In one e-mail, Clinton pressured Sullivan to declassify cabled remarks by a foreign leader.

“Just e-mail it,” Clinton snapped, to which Sullivan replied: “Trust me, I share your exasperation. But until ops converts it to the unclassified e-mail system, there is no physical way for me to e-mail it.”

In another recently released e-mail, Clinton instructed Sullivan to convert a classified document into an unclassified e-mail attachment by scanning it into an unsecured computer and sending it to her without any classified markings. “Turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure,” she ordered.

Top Secret/SCI e-mails received by Clinton include a 2012 staff e-mail sent to the then-secretary containing investigative data about Benghazi terrorist suspects wanted by the FBI and sourcing a regional security officer. They also include a 2011 message from Clinton’s top aides that contains military intelligence from United States Africa Command gleaned from satellite images of troop movements in Libya, along with the travel and protection plans for Ambassador Christopher Stevens, who was later killed in a terrorist attack in Benghazi.

“Receiving Top Secret SAP intelligence outside secure channels is a mortal sin,” said Chris Farrell, director of investigations for Judicial Watch, the Washington-based public law firm that has successfully sued State for Clinton’s e-mails. [...]
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:dig:
 
Harm done, not harm that might have happened and didn't, come on boys, can't be that hard, Clinton being so evil and all. Let's hear it.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Harm done, not harm that might have happened and didn't, come on boys, can't be that hard, Clinton being so evil and all. Let's hear it.
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Thank goodness we have moved past the question of whether Hillary committed a crime!

Harm? Start with the millions of dollars incurred in litigating the numerous FOIA suits and complying with the orders entered therein.

Further, Hillary's IT guy isn't taking Fifth because of the lack of harm.
 
shuize said:
Wow.

If this is accurate, and if the rule of law still means anything, someone is going to prison over this. If I were on team Clinton, I'd be sweating now.
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Nah, Inspector Ginger say's Saint Hilary hasn't done nothing wrong at all and we're all just a bunch of political hacks with an axe to grind, or something like that anyway. :rolleyes:
 
Leftus said:
For someone who won't answer any questions directed towards them,
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Are you seriously claiming I won't answer questions directed to me ? You should review the thread so you can disabuse yourself of that nonsense claim.

Leftus said:
you seem fairly demanding of explanations to questions I've already answered. Notably:

When was the last day she could have complied with the law (and please provide cite and reasoning)?

When did she turn over the records?
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I'm not a lawyer ... are you ? I don't know the specifics of the associated laws, and what may or may not apply. My speculation and your speculation seem irrelevant to the questions of:

Why are the only people claiming she broke the law are right wing opinion piece authors and people on the Internet ?


Leftus said:
As for the claim of a conspiracy? It's a fact. It just doesn't happen. And it's far from new.
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Wow, 25 year old cases regarding open records. Color me unimpressed with your "partisan cover-up" examples.

This is HRC. IF she could be charged with violating FOIA laws, why hasn't she been ? Why aren't republicans screaming from the rooftop about how she broke them ? Clearly, because it's not clear at all that she broke them, at least not in a way for which she could be charged with a crime.
 
Journalist Seeking Hillary's Email Objects to Delay Motion

The State Department's proposal to delay the release the last of Hillary Clinton's official emails until February 29 -- after the initial presidential primaries -- would "cause grave, incurable harm," attorneys for VICE News and journalist Jason Leopold told a federal judge Monday.

Should Judge Rudolph Contreras accept the State Department's new proposed timetable, they write, voters wouldn't have all the information they need to make an informed decision about Clinton's qualifications. "A substantial portion of the electorate will be forced to vote without the benefit of important information to which it is entitled about the performance of one of the candidates for U.S. President while serving as Secretary of State."
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/hillary-clinton-email-state-department-delay/index.html

Looks like Hillary and her Cabal are trying to run out the clock....
 
Mike! said:
Nah, Inspector Ginger say's Saint Hilary hasn't done nothing wrong at all and we're all just a bunch of political hacks with an axe to grind, or something like that anyway. :rolleyes:
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Sure does bother people the FBI is not doing anything.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Where's the evidence they're not doing anything? I keep reading stories about how the FBI is investigating all kinds of people associated with Hillary's email.
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1) Those reports are coming from limited sources with right wing leanings.

2) The FBI has not interviewed Clinton.

3) The FBI said they were not investigating Clinton.


What's your supporting evidence? You can summarize it, you don't need to post more links unless you think it refutes #1 above. The links have for the most part already been posted in the thread.
 
Not investigating Hillary? Her emails, her staff, her server, her email domain, her private IT manager, her old host, her new host, her backup company.

Not "her" tho....

:rolleyes:
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Are you seriously claiming I won't answer questions directed to me ? You should review the thread so you can disabuse yourself of that nonsense claim.
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Will do!

I'm not a lawyer ... are you ? I don't know the specifics of the associated laws, and what may or may not apply. My speculation and your speculation seem irrelevant to the questions of:

Why are the only people claiming she broke the law are right wing opinion piece authors and people on the Internet ?
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That was quick. Didn't even have to leave the post. Thanks for making it easy. Now will you please answer the questions.

It doesn't take a law degree to see who was required to take certain actions. Nor does it take long to see when Clinton was in that roll. The law and the calendar are quite clear. These are not questions of opinions. These are questions of fact.

But if you want a lawyer's opinion, and someone who ran the FOIA for 25 years, let's go with Dan Metcalfe and his almost year old article on Politico.

So enough equivocation and answer those two very straight forward questions.
 
Leftus said:
But if you want a lawyer's opinion, and someone who ran the FOIA for 25 years, let's go with Dan Metcalfe and his almost year old article on Politico.
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That article dovetails nicely with this one:

https://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/...ntons-email-scandal-appears-gravely-criminal/

If accurate, the latter article answers one of the the questions I had about how sensitive information could have jumped from a secure system to Clinton's homebrew system.

It's starting to look like more than mere negligence.

As I stated above, if this is accurate, and if the rule of law still means anything, people are going to prison.
 
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