RE: clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

[The Big Dog]

It wasn't subverted even according to you, the requests were delayed. But there would have been delays anyway because none of the emails would have been released without the very redacting process that is going on at the moment.

Oh the horror of it.

That is ludicrous on so many levels.....

By the way, it isn't just that they were the least transparent administration in history, it is also that Hillary and the Shillaries are so arrogant about it.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

It wasn't subverted even according to you, the requests were delayed. But there would have been delays anyway because none of the emails would have been released without the very redacting process that is going on at the moment.

Just as she could have maybe had the best intentions for security by believing her set up was more secure than the govts set up. Doesnt matter, it should not be the case that the state has to rely on obtaining records from a system set up independently by its own employees or rank and file. That sort of move is job suicide to normal folks and you're well aware of that in spite of your off hand rejection of it

 

[shuize]

Maybe I missed it along the way. Would a Clinton supporter care to offer a legitimate reason why she would need to bypass the government system and set up a private bathroom server of her own?

 

[Dog Town]

Maybe I missed it along the way. Would a Clinton supporter care to offer a legitimate reason why she would need to bypass the government system and set up a private bathroom server of her own?

Find something anchored solid to the ground, and hold tight, this spin could whisk you away!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Maybe I missed it along the way. Would a Clinton supporter care to offer a legitimate reason why she would need to bypass the government system and set up a private bathroom server of her own?

Yes, you must have missed it. Start reading here

And starting out your question with the dishonest premise that her server was in a bathroom (which is both irrelevant and wrong) leads me to believe you don't want to have an honest discussion.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yes, you must have missed it. Start reading here

He asked for a legitimate reason, not bizarre excuses.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

They're claiming tt was just some article published by a news agency that was being circulated about by other State employees. Hillary was only a recipient.

No mention of which news agency published it though. Honestly, it doesn't pass the smell test. Why would the IG care about a news article?

Seems like it smells OK now, don't you agree ?

The source noted that the intelligence community considers information about classified operations to be classified even if it appears in news reports or is apparent to eyewitnesses on the ground. For example, U.S. officials with security clearances have been warned not to access classified information leaked to WikiLeaks and published in the New York Times.

“Even though things are in the public domain, they still retain their classification level,” the official said. “The ICIG maintains its position that it’s still ‘codeword’ classified.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-email-server-top-secret-217985#ixzz3xpGImmze

Anyone with a security clearance knows this. It is astonishing that Hillary's spokesman/conspiracy theorist is running around contradicting this because his boss is a paranoid nut who happens to be running for President.

Whether it is technically considered classified by [unnamed agency] or not, good luck making the case to the American public that sending a news article to Clinton that mentions drones is somehow a breach of "national security" by her.

It couldn't be more clear this is simply a big game of 'gotcha'.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

He asked for a legitimate reason, not bizarre excuses.

le·git·i·mate adjective ləˈjidəmət/
1.conforming to the law or to rules.

Try again.

 

[The Big Dog]

The American People are simply not going to stand by and expect that Hillary Clinton will live up to the terms of her national security clearance, or not set up her own private server where she can conveniently hide documents from FOIA and Congress read them, and they are certainly is not going to stand by while the CIA and the intelligence community Inspector General submit sworn declarations that several dozen emails on her private cowboy server where classified up to top secret/SAP, NO SIR.

That **** is for scum, not Hillary.

Hillary 2016, Not Indicted Yet!

 

[wareyin]

HDS not vindicated yet. Maybe more grasping at straws would help?

 

[Ziggurat]

le·git·i·mate adjective ləˈjidəmət/
1.conforming to the law or to rules.

Try again.

You took that from Google, but failed to note that this is only one of several listed definitions, and it's obviously not the relevant one. This is the relevant one from the Google definition: "able to be defended with logic or justification." This isn't exactly an obscure meaning for the word.

Don't try to be pedantic about word definitions unless you can do it right. And you obviously can't do it right.

 

[The Big Dog]

State Releases Clinton's IT Guru's E-mails

well, the ones they could find anyway, because they can't find ANY of his emails from his governmental account. Hmmmmm.....

The State Department has released for the first time a batch of emails specifically regarding Bryan Pagliano, the former State Department tech worker who helped manage Hillary Clinton’s private email system.

You know him, he's the guy who worked for Hillary since 2007 and has taken the Fifth at least twice when asked about the cowboy setup he managed.

Hillary wants to be President!

 

[Ziggurat]

he's the guy who worked for Hillary since 2007 and has taken the Fifth at least twice

Look on the bright side: this might lead to fewer claims of executive privilege!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

well, the ones they could find anyway, because they can't find ANY of his emails from his governmental account. Hmmmmm.....



You know him, he's the guy who worked for Hillary since 2007 and has taken the Fifth at least twice when asked about the cowboy setup he managed.

Hillary wants to be President!

No link ?

Relevance ?

 

[Leftus]

Whether it is technically considered classified by [unnamed agency] or not, good luck making the case to the American public that sending a news article to Clinton that mentions drones is somehow a breach of "national security" by her.

It couldn't be more clear this is simply a big game of 'gotcha'.

This is where not understand security classifications is doing you wrong. Back when I was in the Marines I had a security clearance due to working on an anti-aircraft weapons system. When I was first briefed, and the exit briefing, I was told that in no uncertain terms that confirming classified information (such as operational range) even if currently available in publications such as Jane's it would be a violation of my security clearance and they would prosecute.

Collecting publicly available information about a top secret program as a person with a security clearance makes it classified information when in their possession. They have a positive duty to protect it. One of the reasons for this is that collecting it is seen as validating it were the information to be released to the public. And that would be a violation of the security clearance.

That is why the FBI and the IG both had to sign NDA's to read her email It contained highly classified information. The source of that information is largely irrelevant.

It can only be "gotcha" if there is something to be got. Even if her description of everything that was sent is 100% accurate, she is in the wrong. It's propaganda that people who know the security rules won't buy into. She is, in no small matter, lying to everyone about what it means even under her own scenario, and counts on the general ignorance to the nature of classified information to absolve her of guilt.

 

[Dog Town]

This is where not understand security classifications is doing you wrong. Back when I was in the Marines I had a security clearance due to working on an anti-aircraft weapons system. When I was first briefed, and the exit briefing, I was told that in no uncertain terms that confirming classified information (such as operational range) even if currently available in publications such as Jane's it would be a violation of my security clearance and they would prosecute.

Collecting publicly available information about a top secret program as a person with a security clearance makes it classified information when in their possession. They have a positive duty to protect it. One of the reasons for this is that collecting it is seen as validating it were the information to be released to the public. And that would be a violation of the security clearance.

That is why the FBI and the IG both had to sign NDA's to read her email It contained highly classified information. The source of that information is largely irrelevant.

It can only be "gotcha" if there is something to be got. Even if her description of everything that was sent is 100% accurate, she is in the wrong. It's propaganda that people who know the security rules won't buy into. She is, in no small matter, lying to everyone about what it means even under her own scenario, and counts on the general ignorance to the nature of classified information to absolve her of guilt.

This is what I've gathered, as well, speaking to others knowledgeable on the topic.
Thank you for the informative post! The spin, from the HRC devotees, is getting more desperate!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

This is where not understand security classifications is doing you wrong. Back when I was in the Marines I had a security clearance due to working on an anti-aircraft weapons system. When I was first briefed, and the exit briefing, I was told that in no uncertain terms that confirming classified information (such as operational range) even if currently available in publications such as Jane's it would be a violation of my security clearance and they would prosecute.

I also have held a TS clearance, so I am not unfamiliar with the rules.

Collecting publicly available information about a top secret program as a person with a security clearance makes it classified information when in their possession. They have a positive duty to protect it. One of the reasons for this is that collecting it is seen as validating it were the information to be released to the public. And that would be a violation of the security clearance.

That is why the FBI and the IG both had to sign NDA's to read her email It contained highly classified information. The source of that information is largely irrelevant.

Or they did it because it's security theatre, like the TSA. But that's probably better for a whole different thread.

It can only be "gotcha" if there is something to be got. Even if her description of everything that was sent is 100% accurate, she is in the wrong. It's propaganda that people who know the security rules won't buy into. She is, in no small matter, lying to everyone about what it means even under her own scenario, and counts on the general ignorance to the nature of classified information to absolve her of guilt.

Yes, technically she may be in the wrong. For now, based on what we know, I'll stand by my earlier assessment about how I think it will turn out.

 

[Reheat]

This is where not understand security classifications is doing you wrong. Back when I was in the Marines I had a security clearance due to working on an anti-aircraft weapons system. When I was first briefed, and the exit briefing, I was told that in no uncertain terms that confirming classified information (such as operational range) even if currently available in publications such as Jane's it would be a violation of my security clearance and they would prosecute.

Collecting publicly available information about a top secret program as a person with a security clearance makes it classified information when in their possession. They have a positive duty to protect it. One of the reasons for this is that collecting it is seen as validating it were the information to be released to the public. And that would be a violation of the security clearance.

That is why the FBI and the IG both had to sign NDA's to read her email It contained highly classified information. The source of that information is largely irrelevant.

It can only be "gotcha" if there is something to be got. Even if her description of everything that was sent is 100% accurate, she is in the wrong. It's propaganda that people who know the security rules won't buy into. She is, in no small matter, lying to everyone about what it means even under her own scenario, and counts on the general ignorance to the nature of classified information to absolve her of guilt.

As has been said many times already, you are absolutely correct. Having had a TS or above clearance for over 20 years, it is true that anyone else with even some of the violations that are alleged (with good sources that appear to be valid) would be in jail right now. While she may never be indicted due to political reasons, it's my guess that if she isn't it will create one of the most intense constitutional crises this Country has ever experienced. The spin, ludicrous excuses, and propaganda offered by both her campaign and her shillaries here are some of the most pathetic statements I've ever witnessed in my entire life. She has disqualified herself for any public office in the land. Anyone who still supports her for anything should be totally ashamed of such ignorance and disregard for the rule of law...

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

"Nuclear Bombshell": Right-Wing Media Hype Old, Disputed Claim That Clinton's Emails Mentioned Classified Information

Politico And NBCNews.com Explain Emails Referenced "Innocuous" Accounts Of U.S. Drone Program "Not Obtained Through A Classified Product" - A Revelation From Last Summer

Right-wing media are hyping a letter from the intelligence community's inspector general claiming some of Hillary Clinton's emails from her time as secretary of state contained information classified above "top secret." However, the development that Clinton's emails reportedly mention widely-known public information about the country's drone operation was already covered by the media in 2015.

Documentation of the media distortions of the facts, trying to hype the outrage follows.

 

[Dog Town]

Fear is strong with HRC followers!

That fire Berning has the shillaries smelling of FEAR!

To paraphrase Robert Duvall, in Apocalypse now:
I love the smell of FEAR in the morning! It smells like... VICTORY!