Sherlock, for a complete and balanced presentation of the subject, you should perhaps mention what happened in 1986, an element you seem to have a tendency to "forget"
(link: http://www.tampabayskeptics.org/Renier.html).
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Psychic Noreen Renier wrong on Malaysia flight 370
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(link: http://www.tampabayskeptics.org/Renier.html).Ah. You mean, of course, her successful libel case because John Morrell could not actively prove fraud. That's a good idea; one could then also point out that during the same case Renier could not prove a single instance of being right, thereby demonstrating that even those who cannot do anything they claim enjoy legal protections in the United States.Sherlock, for a complete and balanced presentation of the subject, you should perhaps mention what happened in 1986, an element you seem to have a tendency to "forget"
However, as I am aware of your other threads and therefor of your personal history, I will make this my last post on the topic.
As far as I am concerned, you may post as often as you want, in this thread or in any other thread. There are, however, two small points I would like to mention:
(1) It is not impossible, in principle, that Renier has acquired information about one of her cases through extra-sensory means (and here I mean mostly telepathy, I am skeptical about the other ways), even if Morrell has perhaps proven this does not work well (or perhaps not at all) in practice.
Because of this possibility, a moderate and sensitive approach may be needed, and I am not sure this is exactly the path that was chosen.
(2) Renier was successful in her libel case in 1986, about one year after I discovered my own (apparent) telepathy in the United States. I suspect this might not quite be a coincidence. One could also point that "Renier" seems to be a name of French origin, while my own native language is French, and this may have its little meaning too.
DuvalHMFIC
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Have you attempted to claim your million yet?
He has recently revived his continuing series of online telepathy tests. The exactly appropriate response is this one.
No, winning such a large amount of money does not seem essential for me at this point. But I am thinking about writing a scientific article at some point, although I don't really know if this will happen or not. I recently found a lady (a "phone psychic") living near my home who agreed to do a telepathy test on the phone (several had refused before), the test was a moderate success. I would like now to do the same test with a person (a psychic, a psychologist, or just an ordinary citizen) living "on the other side of the Earth" for me (in French Polynesia or in new Caledonia) and compare, in order to see hopefully the effect of distance. If I can find a real distance effect (I am not sure I will), this would be, I suppose, a real step forward in the study of telepathy. It seems to me that my "telepathic case", which I view as kind of an "accident of nature", might be an opportunity to try to clarify the "physicalness" of ESP. I have actually already done a phone test with a psychologist in French Polynesia in 2006, which apparently was a moderate success too. If you (or anybody else) know a possible volunteer for telepathy tests in New Zealand or Australia, feel free to give me his/her name and email
Vic Vega
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Thanks!
DuvalHMFIC
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Without getting to see the context of that reply, is that tongue-in-cheek or serious? And if serious, how is this information known?
It's serious. The context is years of Michel H threads and interactions plus his many admissions of such conditions.
Start with post #2342 on this thread (I've sent you to the right page) for the latest iteration and read other posters' thoughts on it, including the one I linked above.
DuvalHMFIC
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Thanks. I'm not the type to get into a tit-for-tat with another poster anyway, but good to know.
Nonpareil
The Terrible Trivium
It is quite serious. Michel H has stated as much multiple times over the course of his main thread here.
Sherlock
Muse
Noreen Renier: Psychic Actress of delusional tales
I certainly never ignore her deceptions before a six-member jury while she lived in a town of about 1900 people --- where she filed her 1985 lawsuit in a small county court.
It's the one reason I battled her before two state courts, multiple U.S. District courts in multiple states, and also U.S. federal appeals courts --- and won every single time over the past two decades. For a woman who claims psychic powers of foresight she certainly lost again and again --- even after telling reporters beforehand that she foresaw wins.
Apparently Michel you did not take the time to read the long list of her failings as reported by judges, police detectives, police officers, and eye witnesses. It's sad when one is so certain of delusions that they also pretend to have silenced the truth.
Sherlock, for a complete and balanced presentation of the subject, you should perhaps mention what happened in 1986, an element you seem to have a tendency to "forget"
I certainly never ignore her deceptions before a six-member jury while she lived in a town of about 1900 people --- where she filed her 1985 lawsuit in a small county court.
It's the one reason I battled her before two state courts, multiple U.S. District courts in multiple states, and also U.S. federal appeals courts --- and won every single time over the past two decades. For a woman who claims psychic powers of foresight she certainly lost again and again --- even after telling reporters beforehand that she foresaw wins.
Apparently Michel you did not take the time to read the long list of her failings as reported by judges, police detectives, police officers, and eye witnesses. It's sad when one is so certain of delusions that they also pretend to have silenced the truth.
Do you know when she filed this 1985 lawsuit? If you could give the month, I would be interested.
I am not an unconditional fan of Noreen, but it seems to me that you are still not very clear about what happened in 1985-1986. I don't remember reading you saying roughly "In 1985, she attacked me and won, but I fought back and I was supported by all courts beyond 1986". What happened between 1986 and 1996? What there peace between you then?
dropzone
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Michel H, I understand how you feel no need or desire for a million dollars US, unlike nearly everybody else on the planet, but do you not see the value in the positive publicity it would bring your cause? How it would open new vistas of human endeavor? How you could silence your critics? How you could laugh in Randi's face by showing an old man that his life has been wasted? Does none of this appeal to you?
Sherman Bay
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Are you familiar with the concept of charities? Why are you depriving them of much-needed cash? Why would you treat humanitarian activities with such disdain? Don't you think Doctors Without Borders would welcome your generous, self-less donation of a million dollars? Have you no compassion for the sick? The disadvantaged? The politically persecuted? The poor? Those with no psychic ability?
Well, if I get a Nobel prize in Physics, or in Medicine and Physiology, this would give me publicity too
Society gives me enough money to pay for my food and my basic needs (I am grateful for this), so getting a large amount of money is not a priority for me, especially if a lot of stress and effort was required to achieve that goal, this could be bad for my health.
As a (still hypothetical) "super-telepath", I am a little concerned also with my social responsibility, what I can perhaps bring to others, and perhaps also the trouble that I may sometimes involuntarily give to others. My goal is not just to try to take advantage of others in a selfish way, that's not even fun to me.
I am fully aware of the fact that there is suffering in the world, think for example about the terrible situation in Syria, all the refugees, the conflict in Ukraine and its consequences, the worldwide terrorist threat, the climate change and so on. Enough to keep you busy if you want to be a good citizen (I study all these things), and you feel you may perhaps help a little sometimes.
Sherman Bay
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Michael H, you may have missed the point. No matter how well off you are, if passing a simple test of your ability -- something you claim is super-easy -- is all it takes to be able to get a million dollars, you are being a real horse's ass if you don't acquire this wealth and give it to a worthy cause. It appears that is your current plan. How can you be so callous?
Put your ability where your mouth is, Dude!
Who cares about you? I am talking about others.
but it is for many others in the world. Why not help them out?
So using your psychic ability is bad for your health? Sorry to hear that.
So you are not firm about your ability? Why not take the test so we all (you included) can find out? Otherwise, your "ability" is nothing but a personal fantasy. Say it ain't so, Joe!
Perfect! Don't you think a million dollars would be a welcome gift to others?
What's selfish about a large donation to charity, unless that charity is you? Make a difference in this world, as you say you want to!
So you are a concerned citizen, and a perfect candidate for a donor. Although your personal needs are adequate, you have a golden opportunity to provide significant funds to others. Yet you won't take the MDC to get those funds! Methinks your "social conscience" persona is merely a front. Anyone who can provide for others in such a capacity, but refuses to do so, is a fraud or an uncaring monster. Which one is you?
Put your ability where your mouth is, Dude!
Nonpareil
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Sherman Bay
Master Poster
Maybe. Shaming, even satiristic shaming, doesn't seem to have the desired effect, but the "I don't need the money" ploy isn't original or limited to shizos.