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Split Thread Foreknowledge of events on 9/11

Several posts discussing LIHOP/MIHOP have been split to here. There will always be some crossover of discussion of aspects of the events of 9/11, but please endeavour to place your posts in the most appropriate thread. If no existing thread seems appropriate, don't hesitate to start a new one.

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha
 
DGM said:
Not likely because, most people know that hindsight is 20/20. When are you going to stop looking for the scrape-goat and find the evidence they actually knew when, where and how the attack was going to happen (and acted to not prevent it).
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As the F.B.I. noted in the 08/06/2001 PDB, "FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York." If these people were the hijackers, given the counterterrorism world, that situation would be the antithesis of hindsight 20/20, as they would have been knowledgeable of the event prior to its taking place, which is also evidenced elsewhere, like the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy that needed to outfitted with antiaircraft weaponry to defend from kamikaze planes that after 9/11 they couldn't have possibly imagined ever happening.

Furthermore, you're asking for classified information and either directly or indirectly asking someone to commit a felony. Also, because you can't read the actionable intelligence files on the NYTimes or whatever source you think is legit, you ignore everything else that contradicts the notion that elements of the U.S. Government did not aid or allow the attacks to happen.
 
Jango said:
As the F.B.I. noted in the 08/06/2001 PDB, "FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York." If these people were the hijackers, given the counterterrorism world, that situation would be the antithesis of hindsight 20/20, as they would have been knowledgeable of the event prior to its taking place, which is also evidenced elsewhere, like the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy that needed to outfitted with antiaircraft weaponry to defend from kamikaze planes that after 9/11 they couldn't have possibly imagined ever happening.

Furthermore, you're asking for classified information and either directly or indirectly asking someone to commit a felony. Also, because you can't read the actionable intelligence files on the NYTimes or whatever source you think is legit, you ignore everything else that contradicts the notion that elements of the U.S. Government did not aid or allow the attacks to happen.
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So? You have proved nothing but you can find a few of the might be threats. How many bomb threats were there? Just plain old death threats? Do you know all the intel for 2001 and before? What do you do to prepare for what you don't know is going to happen?

Guess what, you can't stop someone from trying to hijack a plane, then, or now. Except now passengers will get up and kill you, or come close and stop you, sit on you, etc. WE don't tolerate hijacking now; but before 911 we sat and tried not to stand out... '

You have BS for evidence of all 911 truth claims, and you keep proving it.
 
DGM said:
Not likely because, most people know that hindsight is 20/20. When are you going to stop looking for the scrape-goat and find the evidence they actually knew when, where and how the attack was going to happen (and acted to not prevent it).
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Do you think the C.I.A. watched Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi after they entered the U.S.?
 
Axxman300 said:
No.

The CIA is forbidden by law to conduct surveillance operation within the US. That's the FBI's job.
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Explain why when the CIA knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi had entered the US, and they knew they were al Qaeda terrorists who were connected to the east Africa bombings, why they kept this information secret from the FBI?

Since there was already a criminal FBI investigation into the east Africa bombings, it was in fact a substantial Federal crime for the CIA to keep this information secret from these FBI criminal investigators.

In other words the CIA secretly snuck extremely dangerous al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi into the United States, when they clearly knew these terrorists were connected to murder of over 200 people and 12 US citizens, and even knew that they had just attended a al Qaeda planning meeting, planning future attacks on the US. How in the hell do you explain this

Explain this if you can!
 
paloalto said:
Explain why when the CIA knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi had entered the US, and they knew they were al Qaeda terrorists who were connected to the east Africa bombings, why they kept this information secret from the FBI?

Since there was already a criminal FBI investigation into the east Africa bombings, it was in fact a substantial Federal crime for the CIA to keep this information secret from these FBI criminal investigators.

In other words the CIA secretly snuck extremely dangerous al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi into the United States, when they clearly knew these terrorists were connected to murder of over 200 people and 12 US citizens, and even knew that they had just attended a al Qaeda planning meeting, planning future attacks on the US. How in the hell do you explain this

Explain this if you can!
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I cannot explain why you think your train of logic makes sense. Everything after "In other words.." is an opinion, not a logical conclusion to the preceding statements.
 
Kid Eager said:
I cannot explain why you think your train of logic makes sense. Everything after "In other words.." is an opinion, not a logical conclusion to the preceding statements.
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Everything after "in other words" are the facts as they are presented in the DOJ IG report.

From my prior post:

"In other words the CIA secretly snuck extremely dangerous al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi into the United States, when they clearly knew these terrorists were connected to murder of over 200 people and 12 US citizens, and even knew that they had just attended a al Qaeda planning meeting, planning future attacks on the US. How in the hell do you explain this."

If you think this this statement is contrary to the actual facts then list what you think are the facts if you can, and where you have found these facts.
 
Jango said:
Do you think the C.I.A. watched Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi after they entered the U.S.?
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Yes maybe occasionally, they probably watched many others too, but in a free country like the USA with freedom of movement it's difficult some times to keep tabs on every single person willing to do harm to the USA.

Contrast that with the laws in place to protect personal freedoms and the CIA's hands were somewhat tied.


Maybe the next time they attempt a cowardly act like 9//11 they'll have the courtesy to let us know first. Too bad the scum committing terrorism and murder aren't that accommodating.
 
paloalto said:
Everything after "in other words" are the facts as they are presented in the DOJ IG report.

From my prior post:

"In other words the CIA secretly snuck extremely dangerous al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi into the United States, when they clearly knew these terrorists were connected to murder of over 200 people and 12 US citizens, and even knew that they had just attended a al Qaeda planning meeting, planning future attacks on the US. How in the hell do you explain this."

If you think this this statement is contrary to the actual facts then list what you think are the facts if you can, and where you have found these facts.
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You are confirming, therefore, that you are stating an opinion as to what conclusion should be drawn from a set of facts.

Please cite the part of the report where it states the quoted part.
 
ProBonoShill said:
Someone clearly doesn't understand law agencies in the US or how they work.

Poor truthers, blind leading the blind.
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C.I.A. isn't a law agency, they're an intelligence agency. Is it your claim that the C.I.A. has never operated domestically in spite of the law restricting domestic operations?
 
ProBonoShill said:
Yes maybe occasionally, they probably watched many others too, but in a free country like the USA with freedom of movement it's difficult some times to keep tabs on every single person willing to do harm to the USA.

Contrast that with the laws in place to protect personal freedoms and the CIA's hands were somewhat tied.


Maybe the next time they attempt a cowardly act like 9//11 they'll have the courtesy to let us know first. Too bad the scum committing terrorism and murder aren't that accommodating.
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Didn't see this before I posted the other reply. Okay, so you think they maybe watched them, thus they were operating domestically.
 
Jango said:
C.I.A. isn't a law agency, they're an intelligence agency. Is it your claim that the C.I.A. has never operated domestically in spite of the law restricting domestic operations?
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Jango said:
Didn't see this before I posted the other reply. Okay, so you think they maybe watched them, thus they were operating domestically.
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Yep that's a possibility, do you have any info that indicates otherwise?

Please share any details you believe links the CIA to your make believe inside job. Might as well add the FBI as well and the NYPD too. Citing specific names would be awesome, just want a clear indication of who you're accusing of mass murder,

Thanks!
 
ProBonoShill said:
Yep that's a possibility, do you have any info that indicates otherwise?

Please share any details you believe links the CIA to your make believe inside job. Might as well add the FBI as well and the NYPD too. Citing specific names would be awesome, just want a clear indication of who you're accusing of mass murder,

Thanks!
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If it is make believe as you say it is, why do you want to know what I think about the matter? Does the master file need updating? ;)
 
Jango said:
If it is make believe as you say it is, why do you want to know what I think about the matter? Does the master file need updating? ;)
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I'm like 99.9999% of the sane world, I couldn't case less what you think.

You're the one hanging around a skeptics forum searching for the "truth", when are you going to get started?
 
ProBonoShill said:
I'm like 99.9999% of the sane world, I couldn't case less what you think.
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You obviously care enough to ask me what I think about it. How many posts do you have in the CT forum again?

ProBonoShill said:
You're the one hanging around a skeptics forum searching for the "truth", when are you going to get started?
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You saying I won't find it here? Yeah, I figured that out before I joined.
 
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