RE: clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

[The Big Dog]

Remember when Hillary lied about Sid being "just' an old friend?

Sid Blumenthal writes to Hillary outlining his "role" and asks Hillary to clarify with Doug Brand what "projects" he will be working on.

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DO...learedMeta/22-C1/DOC_0C05763030/C05763030.pdf

Recall that sid was drawing a salary from both media matters and the Clinton Family Foundation at the time.

Recall also that her boss, Barack Obama explicitly vetoed Hillary's hiring of Sid Blumenthal at the State Department, and Hillary just went behind his back and did so anyway.

Clinton testified that while Blumenthal is obviously a friend of hers, “he had no official position in the government, and he was not at all my adviser on Libya. He was a friend who sent me information he thought might be in some way helpful.”

Hillary perjured herself.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What accomplishments? I keep asking for them, and you can never name them.

Nobody can. Because they don't exist.

This is so dishonest. It doesn't matter what Clinton's accomplished, you'll just discount it as nothing.

As if being a lawyer, a Senator and the Secretary of State weren't accomplishments, Carly Fiorina challenged Clinton supporters to name one accomplishment of Clinton's. More than a few Democrats took the challenge. Politico listed some of the answers:

Politico - What is Hillary's Greatest Accomplishment?

1. Her China speech on women.
2. Her role in killing Osama bin Laden.
3. Management of the State Department during which time we saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate (particularly at Copenhagen), and the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—helping to lead us to the agreement currently on the table.
'The sanction on Iran that brought them to the table’
‘Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it’
‘The SCHIP program … which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income children’
As Secretary of State, Secretary Clinton was not only inspirational figure for billions of women around the globe, she also did much to restore the shattered credibility of the United States, which had lost so much influence following the failed foreign policies of the previous administration. She negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped the Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel. She helped secure the START treaty’s ratification, and has advanced women’s rights in countries around the globe.
‘Rebuilding America’s leadership and prestige overseas after the Bush years’
‘The Pediatric Research Equity Act’

There are many more accomplishments listed on the link.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Your failure to look at, recognize, admit, or be honest about Clinton's accomplishments is not my failure to post citations and describe those accomplishments.

Her resume is remarkable, some of her mistakes make me question her competence to put that experience to use in certain applications. For an email issue that is relatively not a sole determiner of her presidential qualifications... but I do find it somewhat entertaining how people are trumpeting up her transgressions and the degree to which some critics are are willing to ostracize even moderate views of this standalone issue as some kind of hate speach sexism or some ad hominem as if its some cardinal sin to criticize a candidate.

Im fine with going back to criticize prior candidates on this too. To see if their actions had a similar degree of risk involved. Most of the issues i point out for Hillary are applicable to other examples with degrees based on the importance of their positions

 

[The Big Dog]

This is so dishonest. It doesn't matter what Clinton's accomplished, you'll just discount it as nothing.

As if being a lawyer, a Senator and the Secretary of State weren't accomplishments, Carly Fiorina challenged Clinton supporters to name one accomplishment of Clinton's. More than a few Democrats took the challenge. Politico listed some of the answers:

Politico - What is Hillary's Greatest Accomplishment?
There are many more accomplishments listed on the link.

And the emails I posted today show that she is an insubordinate hypocrite and a pathological liar who likely perjured herself while intentionally circumventing the state departments secure communication system.

Sure would be nice if her partisan sycophants would actually address the subject of the thread....

 

[Leftus]

This has been addressed again and again in this thread. The right wing rants and raves and posts laws supposedly broken and the fact there are some gray areas. And yet, there are no charges made.

If by address you mean ignored, correct. If by no charges made you mean pending FBI investigation, correct.

The instructions on how and when to classify aren't a grey area. The declassification dates follow those instructions exactly.

Also, there is no doubt she was hosting classified information on her server since they are redacting that information off her server.

Hand waving away facts doesn't change them.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Don't speak for everybody. Here's what someone who even cares about Libyans (imagine that) finds in those latest mails.

The New Year’s Eve release of over 3000 new Hillary Clinton emails from the State Department has CNN abuzz over gossipy text messages, the “who gets to ride with Hillary” selection process set up by her staff, and how a “cute” Hillary photo fared on Facebook.

But historians of the 2011 NATO war in Libya will be sure to notice a few of the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails: admissions of rebel war crimes, special ops trainers inside Libya from nearly the start of protests, Al Qaeda embedded in the U.S. backed opposition, Western nations jockeying for access to Libyan oil, the nefarious origins of the absurd Viagra mass rape claim, and concern over Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves threatening European currency. [...]

As expected, this was totally ignored between all the boring corporate media parroting and dull partisan bickering. If anybody has problems with reading but thinks there might be something to explore, here's a radio interview with the author about his research.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If by address you mean ignored, correct. If by no charges made you mean pending FBI investigation, correct.

The instructions on how and when to classify aren't a grey area. The declassification dates follow those instructions exactly.

Also, there is no doubt she was hosting classified information on her server since they are redacting that information off her server.

Hand waving away facts doesn't change them.

Any charges yet?

You are expecting I agree with some internet forum sleuths who looked at news reports and dug up laws they believe apply to be credible. If it was so clear, why no charges?

Not yet? Fine, let me know when it happens.

Hand waving away facts? No, just no. Handwaving away partisan hacks in a forum, yes.

Of course you no doubt already have your meme, if there are no charges the game was rigged.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

As expected, this was totally ignored between all the boring corporate media parroting and dull partisan bickering. If anybody has problems with reading but thinks there might be something to explore, here's a radio interview with the author about his research.

It was only ignored because it wasn't actually worth discussing, so there's that....

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Her resume is indeed exceptional: she married a political giant, and rode his coattails to some quite prestigious positions.

But she never actually accomplished anything of note while occupying those positions.

I would like to see you actually try to prove your argument, and demonstarte that none of those things listed below are actually notable:

Politico - What is Hillary's Greatest Accomplishment?
There are many more accomplishments listed on the link.

You have not once even tried to argue for an actual accomplishment other than getting such positions.

If she adds simply getting the presidency , and then doing nothing notable while in office, that sounds like a win for conservatives, no ?

 

[Childlike Empress]

It was only ignored because it wasn't actually worth discussing, so there's that....

I know, and that's because you have been successfully indoctrinated to think about Libyans as something like ants. Otherwise the Wicked Witch of the West's role in the destruction of a country with 50,000 dead and 6 million left in chaos, and what she knew when, would be far more interesting than the nonsense you are made to bicker about. Pathetic, shameful, expected. Carry on. BENGHAZI!!1!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

And the emails I posted today show that she is an insubordinate hypocrite and a pathological liar who likely perjured herself while intentionally circumventing the state departments secure communication system.

Sure would be nice if her partisan sycophants would actually address the subject of the thread....

Be sure to let us know when her "partisan sycophants" start posting in this thread...

 

[The Big Dog]

Be sure to let us know when her "partisan sycophants" start posting in this thread...

By the way, there are four of them posting on this page alone.

But you knew that....

Nothing about the emails, then?

 

[DavidJames]

Be sure to let us know when her "partisan sycophants" start posting in this thread...

partisan sycophants = anyone not infected with HDS

 

[TheL8Elvis]

By the way, there are four of them posting on this page alone.

But you knew that....

Nope. And I am certain the subject of this thread is not the people posting in it...

Nothing about the emails, then?

False, ridiculously false.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I know, and that's because you have been successfully indoctrinated to think about Libyans as something like ants. Otherwise the Wicked Witch of the West's role in the destruction of a country with 50,000 dead and 6 million left in chaos, and what she knew when, would be far more interesting than the nonsense you are made to bicker about. Pathetic, shameful, expected. Carry on. BENGHAZI!!1!

Or simply because the article you linked to was ****

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

circumventing the state departments secure communication system

Someone missed the memo:
Sources: State Dept. hack the 'worst ever'

Overlooked in the controversy over Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, is the fact that suspected Russian hackers have bedeviled State Department's email system for much of the past year and continue to pose problems for technicians trying to eradicate the intrusion.

Federal law enforcement, intelligence and congressional officials briefed on the investigation say the hack of the State email system is the "worst ever" cyberattack intrusion against a federal agency. The attackers who breached State are also believed to be behind hacks on the White House's email system, and against several other federal agencies, the officials say.

 

[varwoche]

Don't speak for everybody. Here's what someone who even cares about Libyans (imagine that) finds in those latest mails.

When you strip away the writer's many opinions, the actual emails that he cites impress me as incredibly weak, at least in terms of assessing Clinton one way or the other. These are emails written by Sydney Blumenthal to Clinton, not emails she authored. Do I have this right?

 

[The Big Dog]

Faced with a problem sending a document over the secure system, Hillary instructs her underling to:

"If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

and thereby to intentionally skirt the State Department's secure communication system.

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_Jan7thWeb/08635C6-8/DOC_0C05787519/C05787519.pdf

Remember when Hillary said no classified info had been sent? She lied.

Someone missed the memo:
Sources: State Dept. hack the 'worst ever'

laughing dog indeed!!

The email (which it is clear that Skeptic Ginger did not read) specifically refers to a "secure fax" system, which Hillary told her toady to circumvent by sending it "non-paper" and sending it "nonsecure." Which is why I wrote secure communication system.

But don't let facts get in the way.

Read the emails otherwise one might, like SG here, make a "laughing dog" out of oneself.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

When you strip away the writer's many opinions, the actual emails that he cites impress me as incredibly weak, at least in terms of assessing Clinton one way or the other. These are emails written by Sydney Blumenthal to Clinton, not emails she authored. Do I have this right?

These seems like odd bedfellows from the Levant 'about' web page:

Levant Report is an initiative of Texans for Sane Foreign Policy – a grassroots network of Texas professionals who are deeply alarmed by what Washington is doing in the Middle East. The LR Editors are primarily made up of educators – at the university and high school levels – which have lived, studied, and traveled extensively in the region.

I was curious what they had to say about Bush's Iraq invasion.
This was revealing:

The invasion of Afghanistan was initially justified through the declared motive of compelling the Taliban to hand over people the US accused of having been involved in the 9/11 attacks. The Taliban agreed, requesting that first evidence be provided. The Bush administration refused to provide any. The reason? They didn’t have any.

The FBI and Justice Department have never formally charged bin Laden with involvement in 9/11. Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI, said that the reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama’s Most Wanted page and why the DoJ never formally indicted and charged him for the offense is because “the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”(4)

That sounds suspiciously like Truthers.

They did go on to point out the Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over and the Bush admin refused, continuing instead to march against the Taliban.

I do believe it was substantiated that Bush stopped pursuing Bin Laden when they could have had him in order to invade Iraq. But I have mixed feelings about the choice not to leave the Taliban intrenched given their fanaticism and treatment of women. They really don't differ much from ISIS.

I don't disagree with everything on that page. But I don't agree with everything either.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Someone missed the memo:
Sources: State Dept. hack the 'worst ever'

So essentially is your point that it should be acceptable for people in important decision making positions to define which policies are worth complying with because people think she knows better?