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Surely that was Palin? I mean you wouldn't put her in front of a camera unless you really wanted to see her suffer.
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Surely that was Palin? I mean you wouldn't put her in front of a camera unless you really wanted to see her suffer.
thaiboxerken
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When a Republican is forgiven for sexual misconduct by other Republicans, it is a virtuous act. If a Democrat is forgiven by Democrats, it is a sign of weakness and immorality.
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I'm a first-choice Hillary voter.
I'm not voting for her husband and I have no idea how they dealt with it in private.
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But...who cares?
No, seriously, who cares? I don't care. I don't think most people care. I know 20 years ago the Republicans made fools of themselves trying to get a lot of people to care, but, when it was all said and done, we still didn't care. The only thing they accomplished was to ensure that for generations to come, Junior High School government teachers would say, as if with one voice, "Let's talk about Andrew Johnson."
Your team really need to back off on the personal life. It just isn't significant.
Trebuchet
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They're just living in the past. It's all they've got.
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Any public relationship at all? The owner of the Clippers had a recording released of him arguing with his mistress about her involvement with black men.
Other than that, JFK was a pretty good one. I'm sure with the slightest bit of digging you could find some still married public officials that have been caught with prostitutes and so on.
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Like others, I doubt that Bill's indiscretions will have much impact on Hillary's vote (and I suspect emphasizing Bill's record in order to oppose Hillary's credentials will mostly backfire by implying 1) that the main problem with Hillary is something about her husband, and 2) that counting this as a negative toward Hillary is logical, rather than actually blaming a victim).
Also, we all know (I hope) that none of these candidates are perfect. Or really anywhere near it. So except for those voters who are completely blind to any arguments against their candidate, it is always a big part of an electoral decision to weigh the good against the bad. Since, fair or not, Bill will continue to be a focus in this election, this weighing will also be done with him.
So there the question will be, how does he come out smelling, in sum, after examining all his acts, as president, and since?
Also, we all know (I hope) that none of these candidates are perfect. Or really anywhere near it. So except for those voters who are completely blind to any arguments against their candidate, it is always a big part of an electoral decision to weigh the good against the bad. Since, fair or not, Bill will continue to be a focus in this election, this weighing will also be done with him.
So there the question will be, how does he come out smelling, in sum, after examining all his acts, as president, and since?
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I don't feel that William's infidelity reflects negatively on Hillary, that said I do believe that how a candidate treats the commitments they make in their personal lives is, and should be, a consideration when trying to evaluate how elected representatives are going to treat their commitments to their supporters and the electorate in general.
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Forgiven? He's still doing it!!
Why can't any of you just simply say What Bill did and is doing now is just wrong. Says a lot!
It's not going to have the impact I want but it will have an impact, it certainly isn't good. The only way she gets blamed is because she's in on it, hell that doesn't even bother the outstanding folks here.
You don't believe he's still at it? If he is she has to know about it.
Could be they just have an "open marriage"
Agreed
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So Hillary staying married through thick and thin should impress you.
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You mean his infidelity?
Because we don't believe that it's wrong. Let's repeat that. We do not believe it is wrong.
Some might. I guess. Although most of us here who think there is anything wrong about it at all think it's wrong in a small manner, not worthy of attention.
What we think is really wrong, in our opinion, is using government resources to probe what ought to be a private matter. To quote Bill Maher from almost 20 years ago, "The American people felt that Ken Starr's questions were worse than Bill Clinton's lies."
Today, fortunately, we aren't dealing with the use of government resources, just a bunch of political rhetoric, but once again, we consider that wrong. It is none of your business. We think it is wrong that you keep bringing it up, because it is a matter that ought to remain between Bill and Hillary. I care not one whit, and if any politician, or pseudo-politician like an opinion journalist, mentions it, it makes me look negatively on that politician or journalist, but not the least on Bill or Hillary.
ETA: (And when I say "we", I think I speak for a lot of people, but each person has his own, somewhat different view on these matters. I can't claim to speak for any individual other than myself.)
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I'm unconcerned about the fidelity or relationship issues of the Clintons. Their neo-conservative foreign policies, conservative economic policies and triangulation/third-way politics have proven sufficient reasons for me to reject their worldview on reasons more relevant to a public policy discussion.
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The fidelity issue bothers me. But again I have to weigh the ups and downs of the whole person. Even forgiveness has shadings.
For example, I may hold a grudge against Bill for his unfaithfulness. It would weigh some upon my decision to trust him. But I also hold a grudge against George W whose reason for taking us into a war proved false. That would weigh infinitely more with my trust.
If you extend these individual (or administration) trust issues to trust of the party as a whole, I think you can see why people would look extra sternly at the DNC, but not look at all at the GOP: that is, turn their backs on it.
FYI: I *think* my recent voting record has gone like:
1988: George HW Bush
1992: Ross Perot
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: George W Bush
2004: John Kerry
2008: Barack Obama
2012: Barack Obama
And if it were between Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump, I would, with a bitter taste in my mouth, probably vote for Hillary.
ETA: Unless you can convince me otherwise...
For example, I may hold a grudge against Bill for his unfaithfulness. It would weigh some upon my decision to trust him. But I also hold a grudge against George W whose reason for taking us into a war proved false. That would weigh infinitely more with my trust.
If you extend these individual (or administration) trust issues to trust of the party as a whole, I think you can see why people would look extra sternly at the DNC, but not look at all at the GOP: that is, turn their backs on it.
FYI: I *think* my recent voting record has gone like:
1988: George HW Bush
1992: Ross Perot
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: George W Bush
2004: John Kerry
2008: Barack Obama
2012: Barack Obama
And if it were between Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump, I would, with a bitter taste in my mouth, probably vote for Hillary.
ETA: Unless you can convince me otherwise...
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