Dubai Address hotel fire

Seymour Butz said:
I've made this point to him before too, but he ignores it. Sounds like you've read the NIST report ( he hasn't / won't ).

Sounds like JSO has a pet theory - diesel fires and failure at floor 5 - and won't listen to nor even address the challenges he receives. Just plows on, ignoring relevant counterpoints.

Just like a troofer....
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Hahahhahahaahhaahaha

You weren't there Butz and apparently there are images of thick black smoke pouring from the east side of the tower below flr 8... maybe you can explain this?

My "pet theory" is very similar to what FEMA proposed and what the building's engineer Cantor seemed to think plausible and even the ARUP study considered failures of the 2 east side transfer trusses.

And there was no accounting for all the diesel fuel. If there was...an "accounting" perhaps you could provide a link which has some detail as to when it was recovered... how it was recovered and how much was recovered.

Or maybe you want to explain in some detail how the collapse of a few floor sections east of girder 79-44 led to the progressive collapse westward through the building causing the WPH to collapse and then causing the exterior moment frame to rotate clockwise while falling and develop a vertical kink in it aligned with the E columns of the first floor?

I don't have a problem with discussion and disagreements. But without real hard evidence all the explanations are "pet theories".

BTW... what do you suppose would have happened to the building if the day tanks or the supply pipping ruptured and were spewing diesel which ignited and was burning all day?

What is YOUR favorite pet theory?
 
Tony,
The FDNY knew all occupants had lefty the building. In mid afternoon their people felt the building could not be saved and might be unstable and would probably collapse. They were looking for survivors of the twin tower collapses and the fires in 6wtc were perhaps hindering access to recovery... so they fought the fires from West Street. And they poured water ONTO it with no danger of it collapsing on fire fighters. Not fighting 7wtc was a calculation to save FDNY lives. The building was probably a write off and Silverstein agreed that they should pull all the people from the area and not bother with monitoring the building from inside.
 
JSanderO said:
BTW... what do you suppose would have happened to the building if the day tanks or the supply pipping ruptured and were spewing diesel which ignited and was burning all day?
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I don't dismiss any of the fire related theories. The problem I have with this one is in order to get the fuel from the storage tanks to the 5th floor the generators need to be running. There's no evidence that shows this was the case after the collapse of the south tower. There was not enough fuel in the day tanks or headers to burn long enough to cause the failure.

JSanderO said:
What is YOUR favorite pet theory?
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I tend to go with the CTBUH and the ***** hit the fan when things started started cooling down.
 
I am looking forward to seeing AE911 truths detailed report of this fire.

It will be interesting to see how the fire was started, by who and their reason for starting it :rolleyes:

No doubt it will some how be connected with 911 and with google searching and reading between the lines all the answers for these Arichitects and Engineers will be there.
 
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Spanx said:
I am looking forward to seeing AE911 truths detailed report of this fire.

It will be interesting to see how the fire was started, by who and their reason for starting it :rolleyes:

No doubt it will some how be connected with 911 and with google searching and reading between the lines all the answers for these Arichitects and Engineers will be there.
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Well, they already started on Facebook.

Another raging inferno and no collapse. Yet we are told by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) that small pockets of "normal office fires" leveled WTC 7.


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It is truly disgusting to see how they manipulate their followers....
 
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Jaytje46 said:
Delusional much?
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Yes, I was, just like you. Then I opened my mind and realized the official story is BS. It took two years, but now I'm fortunate to be able to see through the lies that the government, you, and the others on this forum continue to perpetuate.
 
FalseFlag said:
I don't know, but it appears you have the same question I do. If you want to know the answer, stop posting your nonsense, and support a new, independent investigation.
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Exactly what do you want this investigation to focus on? Clearly there are technical details which need to be flushed out. We don't know how the global collapse progressed... Most of the hard evidence is gone... lots of evidence which would nail things was never saved...

Do you think there is evidence which is being hidden away?
 
FalseFlag said:
I don't know, but it appears you have the same question I do. If you want to know the answer, stop posting your nonsense, and support a new, independent investigation.
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into this building fire? Because it has nothing to do with 9/11.

Another failure for da truth!
 
16.5 said:
into this building fire? Because it has nothing to do with 9/11.

Another failure for da truth!
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I am pretty sure there will be an investigation of the Address fire. Might even include two similar fires in UAE in the recent past. Going out on a limb I will predict that the exterior cladding issue will be discussed at length.
 
jaydeehess said:
Indeed.
This structure's exterior cladding caught fire. In the few places where this exterior fire broke through to the interior the existing fire protection systems plus active fire fighting efforts kept it from spreading inside. The very fact of it being an exterior fire allowed fire fighters to easily reach the points where it broke inside and probably pre-position in anticipation of breaking in.
Unlike an interior fire, most of the heat output from this fire is being taken away from the structure by convection and radiation. In addition no equivalent to hot smoke and gasses flashover is even possible thus eliminating the highest temp combustion that plagues an interior office/residence fire.
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As I tried to point out , this fire had nothing in common with WTC7. Yet for some odd, inexplicable and incomprehensible reason, FalseFlag and many others try to equate the two.
What I didn't mention was that the design used in each building were also very different.
Its like equating apples and oranges.
 
FalseFlag said:
Yes, I was, just like you. Then I opened my mind and realized the official story is BS. It took two years, but now I'm fortunate to be able to see through the lies that the government, you, and the others on this forum continue to perpetuate.
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What's that like?
 
FalseFlag said:
Yes, I was, just like you. Then I opened my mind and realized the official story is BS. It took two years, but now I'm fortunate to be able to see through the lies that the government, you, and the others on this forum continue to perpetuate.
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Which two?
 
FalseFlag said:
I don't know, but it appears you have the same question I do. If you want to know the answer, stop posting your nonsense, and support a new, independent investigation.
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30 minutes, that's how long it would take me to prove to any reasonable person CD is BS.

So are you willing to pay the total cost of the investigation if you are wrong?

Someone has to pay for it why not truther?
 
It's easy. Find out who makes silent explosives and ask them who they sold it to.
 
jaydeehess said:
As I tried to point out , this fire had nothing in common with WTC7. Yet for some odd, inexplicable and incomprehensible reason, FalseFlag and many others try to equate the two.
What I didn't mention was that the design used in each building were also very different.
Its like equating apples and oranges.
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Not surprising - it is demonstrating the two key features of most truther claims:

1) They have a dishonest agenda which they are not prepared to state explicitly; AND
2) They cannot think clearly.

In this instance the motive seems to be nothing more than trolling - playing for attention.
 
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