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[logger]

Actually, your "Jesus" is said to be said to have said that some of the people he was said to be said to be addressing would still be alive when he returned.

Its hilarious you cannot even simply put his name in a sentence without putting it in quotes, he won't bite.

And yes the disciples did see him after the crucifixion.

Odd that he would get a detail like that wrong...

But completely normal that you got it wrong.

 

[logger]

Funny how you use "liberal" as a content-free swear word, as some (for instance) used to use the word, "faggot". What is (in your estimation) a "liberal"? What is a "radical"? Which word would have described an anti-Roman apocalyptic agitator in the 1st Century C.E, had he existed?

Funny how you get upset at me using the word liberal, you seem like a really angry person.

 

[logger]

Sweetie:

When you alter a post of mine to avoid facing the issue presented, have the honesty and decency to indicate that you have so done.

Sweetie, I'll do what I see fit, you won't change that one bit.

 

[Slowvehicle]

You must not know any Christians either, they usually have true joy.

Oh, there it is...the "no true xian" argument...

I'm not sure which verse you're talking about, but the disciples did see him again after his crucifixion.

And here I thought you presented yourself as familiar with the κήρυγμα.

I would also be doing a disservice to Christ if I didn't explain your misunderstandings, even though many interpret Bible text wrong.

"Wrong", in this case, meaning (of course) "disagreeing with you".

(BTW, I predicted, as did Pixel 42, that you would hide behind apologia. TYVM.)

 

[logger]

This is an excellent point. There is no doubt Jesus was a liberal, radical freedom fighter.

He was not political, but alas, you don't even believe in him.

Matthew 22:36-40 Jesus said to love God and love your neighbor. He said everything else was second. However, logger has chosen to mark me as the apostate and himself (homophobic, judgemental, etc...) as the True Christian.

You've marked yourself and don't have the courage to just admit it. Calling names proves you have no argument.

While I am certain he can apologize his way out of that scripture I disagree and I believe any further debate with him is likely to be futile.

I'll continue to debate all you want, I'm totally fine with it.

 

[logger]

Oh, there it is...the "no true xian" argument...

What is an "xian" I'd like to know the insults atheists use

And here I thought you presented yourself as familiar with the κήρυγμα.

There are several verses that deal with this.

"Wrong", in this case, meaning (of course) "disagreeing with you".

You can't even make an argument, its not about me.

(BTW, I predicted, as did Pixel 42, that you would hide behind apologia. TYVM.)

I've been completely open with my answers, let me know when you're done being cute and can put up an argument.

 

[Pup]

And yes the disciples did see him after the crucifixion.

I'm pretty sure folks are referring to Mattew 24:34, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled," which was referring in context to a bit more than just Jesus being seen again.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Its hilarious you cannot even simply put his name in a sentence without putting it in quotes, he won't bite.

And yes the disciples did see him after the crucifixion.

This would be a trenchant point, if only the verse to which Pixel referred you had been addressed to the "disciples"; or referred only to "seeing" the MJ after the crucifiction. You would do well to familiarize yourself with the scriptures you claim to be "explaining".

It would be even more effective, if, for instance, the only record of the "disciples" seeing the MJ were not second- and third-hand hearsay collected by the editors, redactors and canonizers of your bible...

As to the scare quotes, well, I am careful to preserve the distinction xians try to equivocate away.

But completely normal that you got it wrong.

Again, unlike Pixel 42 and others, you seem to be unaware of which verse includes the detail the MJ got wrong...

 

[Slowvehicle]

Funny how you get upset at me using the word liberal, you seem like a really angry person.

It is to snerk.

What is funny is the way you avoid the issue, when called on your careless misuse of words with which you hope to offend.

What, in your opinion, is a "liberal" (other than one who disagrees with you)?

What, in your opinion, is a "leftist" (other than someone with whom you disagree, and whom you make free to despise, in direct disobedience of your MJ)?

 

[Slowvehicle]

Sweetie, I'll do what I see fit, you won't change that one bit.

Funny, I thought your MJ had strong words to say about honesty, and about the importance of words.

You are not above the conventions of intellectual honesty; do not continue to alter my words without indicating that you have so done.

One wonders why mere words scare you so much that you must make free to eradicate them...

 

[steve s]

And yes the disciples did see him after the crucifixion.

And Joseph Smith's friends all saw the golden tablets. They swear to it, right there in the beginning of the book of Mormon.

Steve S

 

[Slowvehicle]

He was not political, but alas, you don't even believe in him.

Most scholars who understand the life and times of the HJ, to say nothing of the MJ, recognize that, if, in fact, a person preached as he is said to be said to have preached, and acted as he is said to be said to have acted, it could not have been other than an intensely political act. I assume you have heard of Rome...

You've marked yourself and don't have the courage to just admit it. Calling names proves you have no argument.

You mean content-free names like "leftist" and "liberal"? Why do you do it, then?

I'll continue to debate all you want, I'm totally fine with it.

Odd that you consider this a "debate"...another word, the meaning of which you appear to be ignorant.

At least you are having fun...

 

[Slowvehicle]

What is an "xian" I'd like to know the insults atheists use

Oh, sweetie...what makes you think "xian" is an "insult"? I simply tend to practice grammatical prophylaxis.

There are several verses that deal with this.

You appear to be confused about what "this" is. Did you ever realize that about which Pixel was posting?

You can't even make an argument, its not about me.

I've been completely open with my answers, let me know when you're done being cute and can put up an argument.

Nor have I made it "about you" (which would be an MA violation); it is, instead, about the nature and quality of your apologia.

 

[logger]

You are not above the conventions of intellectual honesty; do not continue to alter my words without indicating that you have so done.

Where did I alter your words?

 

[logger]

Most scholars who understand the life and times of the HJ, to say nothing of the MJ, recognize that, if, in fact, a person preached as he is said to be said to have preached, and acted as he is said to be said to have acted, it could not have been other than an intensely political act. I assume you have heard of Rome...

You'll have to put up something he said that was political.

You mean content-free names like "leftist" and "liberal"? Why do you do it, then?

They're adjectives, you do know what an adjective is don't you.

Odd that you consider this a "debate"...another word, the meaning of which you appear to be ignorant.

At least you are having fun...

Odd that you would be involved since this is all foolishness to you. Is it because of your hatred of God and what he did to you?

 

[logger]

Oh, sweetie...what makes you think "xian" is an "insult"? I simply tend to practice grammatical prophylaxis.

What is with the sweetie?

You appear to be confused about what "this" is. Did you ever realize that about which Pixel was posting?

He finally asked a direct question.

Nor have I made it "about you" (which would be an MA violation); it is, instead, about the nature and quality of your apologia.

If this is about the way I argue it, then it is about me. There isn't any reason to bring your high strung emotions into this argument. If your going to continue Whining about how I argue, we're certainly not going to get far, which is probably your goal.

 

[Toontown]

Because your irrational fear of eternal torture has caused you to abandon rational thought.

No, your fear of eternal torture has caused you to run from it, maybe it will just go away.

I have no fear of eternal torture. That is the least of my worries - to belabor the obvious.

But if I did fear eternal torture at the hands of your false God's rebellious fair-haired boy, the last thing I'd do is ignore the problem. I'd be following in your footsteps. I'd be telling myself fairy tales every day, until I believed them. And if that didn't work I'd start telling the fairy tales to others.

Anything to avoid eternal torture. I'd drink buzzard puke to avoid eternal torture.

But I'm not going to do any of that if it isn't necessary. And it's not. You've bought a bill of goods.

The fact that you apparently believe there is an all-powerful, obsessively judgmental thing up there who holds grudges forever unless vast agony is inflicted for atonement (on someone, doesn't matter who), plans to dig up all the offending skeletons, reanimate them, judge each and every one of them, and consign most of them to eternal torture, should make the hair on the back of your neck stand up, if you were thinking rationally. Because you believe it exists, and the average chimpanzee could easily see that such a bizarre creature cannot be trusted, no matter how much you sing it's praises and kiss it's ass.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Where did I alter your words?

Look back to where you state that you would do as "you see fit" (despite, evidently, the MA you signed, and the tenets of your MJ).

Your pose of innocence does you dispraise.

 

[Slowvehicle]

You'll have to put up something he said that was political.

I'll "have to" do no such thing, sweetie...it is you, in fact, who will "have to" deal with the realities of what is known about the careers of the 1st Century C.E. apocalyptic rabble-rousers.

They're adjectives, you do know what an adjective is don't you.

How very helpful, thanks. Why is it that you continue to avoid explaining what you, personally, mean by your careless use of "liberal" and "leftist" as content-free terms of opprobrium? I have asked you to define them in your own, idiosyncratic terms; you have, so far, failed to do so.

What do you, personally, think the terms mean?

Odd that you would be involved since this is all foolishness to you. Is it because of your hatred of God and what he did to you?

Odd that you are willing to tell lies to pretend to score "points" in what you wish were a "debate".

I honestly thought your MJ has strong opinions about telling the truth...

You do err when you claim that I "hate" you 'god'. As it has not been demonstrated to exist, I do not bother to hate it.

Further, as it has not been demonstrated to exist, it cannot be said to have "done" anything to me, or about me, despite your own superstitious and uncritical insistence.

You would do well to retract this false statement of yours.

 

[logger]

But I'm not going to do any of that if it isn't necessary. And it's not. You've bought a bill of goods.

Possibly, but I'll finish it out though.