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Mark6 said:
If I am wrong about God's non-existence, it does not mean you are right. How do you know Vikings did not have it right? (The only prerequisite for entering Valhalla is to die bravely in battle.)
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Thousands of years of history?
 
Slowvehicle said:
You continue to try to look past the fact that your "salvation" is no more than "salvation" from what your 'god' will do to you if you don't let it "save" you...
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Because I recognize the human condition of sin, we do need saving.
 
Border Reiver said:
Except that Grace in the mainstream Christian context is not being able to honour God however you want, it is honouring him in a manner that He finds pleasing.
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Agreed, am I not doing that?
As He said, you shall have no other Gods before me, and honouring Odin by mimicking his sacrifice of nailing himself to the World Tree to learn the secrets of the runes likely will be seen as honouring another God.
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How am I honoring Odin when we are celebrating Jesus? This is the first time I've heard of Odin. Lol

Use some God given human reason man!!!
 
tsig said:
If you are not correct you have wasted your life worshiping a chimera.
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Wouldn't you have to know how my life turned out to know that? If worshiping Jesus makes me a loving successful person, wouldn't that make my life quite fulfilling in the eyes of the world?
 
Toontown said:
Maybe some people have love switches in their brains they can flip at will, whether it's justified or not. I don't have one of those.

Maybe some people could convince themselves to love anything to avoid torture. Could you force yourself to love Caligula to avoid the torture chamber?
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as hostile to him as you are, only he through prayer could open your eyes.

Do you know if anyone is praying for you?
 
logger said:
T don't have a personal distaste, I have them in my own family, like most. I don't support the lifestyle.
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I see. It is your lack of personal distaste that has caused you to invent a "homosexual agenda" supporting and promulgating the "sex perversions of the left".

And yet, you would force them to stand in line with your agenda, even though your "christ" is not said to be said to have said a single word against homosexuals, or homosexuality...

No one is trying to make you jump though their hoops; why do you feel free to want them to jump through yours?
 
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logger said:
Because I recognize the human condition of sin, we do need saving.
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"Sin" as defined by the haphazardly-collected, contradictorily-edited, sectarially-redacted, and contentiously canonized collection of several threads of the fairy tales of bronze-age superstitionists.

Do you oppose divorce as strongly as you oppose the "sexual perversions of the left"?
 
logger said:
as hostile to him as you are, only he through prayer could open your eyes.

Do you know if anyone is praying for you?
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What difference would it make if other people were praying?

That's something I've wondered about. What's the point of praying for others? I see it a lot when people are sick, for example, and they ask for prayers. Are God's decisions based on popularity? The more people you can get to pray for you, the more he's apt to heal you, but a lonely person is out of luck?

Kind of undercuts one of the other benefits of an imaginary friend--you'll never feel alone and always have someone to comfort you. But apparently only the well-connected get God's attention.
 
logger said:
as hostile to him as you are, only he through prayer could open your eyes.

Do you know if anyone is praying for you?
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Thanks, but I don't need the false pity of a believer in a false god. I am the one in this conversation who can think freely, without fear of eternal damnation for doing so. Which in itself makes me far more likely to be right.
 
Slowvehicle said:
I see. It is your lack of personal distaste that has caused you to invent a "homosexual agenda" supporting and promulgating the "sex perversions of the left".
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Is it only a leftist lifestyle?
The distaste comes from the word of God.
And yet, you would force them to stand in line with your agenda, even though your "christ" is not said to be said to have said a single word against homosexuals, or homosexuality...
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Plenty of versus in the Bible about the lifestyle and marriage, which is a man and woman.
No one is trying to make you jump though their hoops;
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Really?
why do you feel free to want them to jump through yours?
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Because Jesus would change their life and I'm free to be his witness.

Why does it offend you?
 
logger said:
Wouldn't you have to know how my life turned out to know that? If worshiping Jesus makes me a loving successful person, wouldn't that make my life quite fulfilling in the eyes of the world?
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You are first saying only by worshipping Jesus are you a "loving successful person". And then secondly, that you are interested in being seen as "quite"fulfilled "in the eyes of the world". As a Christian, aren't you supposed to be set apart from the world and unconcerned with how you are seen?

Finally, you are saying your current life, here in earth, is good as a reward from Jesus. That's the opposite of what the bible says will happen to a true believer (read some bible here).
 
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Pup said:
What difference would it make if other people were praying?
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Because i had that and didn't know it till years later.
That's something I've wondered about. What's the point of praying for others? I see it a lot when people are sick, for example, and they ask for prayers. Are God's decisions based on popularity? The more people you can get to pray for you, the more he's apt to heal you, but a lonely person is out of luck?
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Its a mystery on how he chooses, but I believe he makes choices that further his will.
Kind of undercuts one of the other benefits of an imaginary friend--you'll never feel alone and always have someone to comfort you. But apparently only the well-connected get God's attention.
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Are you forgetting many more people in poverty are Christians than well connected. People in poverty are used greatly by god.
 
Toontown said:
Thanks, but I don't need the false pity of a believer in a false god.
Its certainly not false and probably not pity, I used to be where you are.
I am the one in this conversation who can think freely, without fear of eternal damnation for doing so. Which in itself makes me far more likely to be right.
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Which doesn't really matter if you're right.

I'm also not in fear of eternal damnation, guess why.
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logger said:
Are you forgetting many more people in poverty are Christians than well connected. People in poverty are used greatly by god.
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That's so nice of God to use people's misery to further his agenda! As a disabled person I am often told my injury was "part of his plan" (the Bible never says this, btw).

It's a real shame they didn't believe as good as you do, so as to be successful and fulfilled. Yet you want to say I am not a "good Christian"?!
 
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