I'm thinking of abandoning Bernie

[Mike!]

I'm sure he'll be heartbroken to learn he's lost the "Not A Crazy Person" from Meth Lab Mountain California vote.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I'm not proposing anything except that the current Chair of the DNC has a conflict of interest and is making irrational decisions which seem to be motivated by that conflicting interest.

What about the fact it is a private non profit? If if is acting capriciously, that seems like it is their prerogative.

 

[Tricky]

I like a lot of what Bernie says. I think many of his ideas would be great if we could somehow work them into the American zeitgeist. But my main problem with Bernie is that he is not realistic. He seems to think that by waving his hands, he can change the tax code and run roughshod over Congress, and that's simply not gonna happen. Not only is he at odds with many moderates, he's technically not even a Democrat, so thinking that he would have the Dems in lockstep behind him is beyond ludicrous.

Hillary, by contrast, has a proven record of working across the aisle and has a good feel for what can and can't be done. She's seen it from the executive office, the Congress and the cabinet. While she's not particularly likable, she knows how to get things done, and that's what we need in a President.

 

[The Big Dog]

And how come the Berntards reject any and all criticism of Bernie?

They call facts about his poor record "lies".

Berntards??

Lolz, now we see the wild Hilldabeast devour its own kind...

Excellent.

 

[The Big Dog]

I like a lot of what Bernie says. I think many of his ideas would be great if we could somehow work them into the American zeitgeist. But my main problem with Bernie is that he is not realistic. He seems to think that by waving his hands, he can change the tax code and run roughshod over Congress, and that's simply not gonna happen. Not only is he at odds with many moderates, he's technically not even a Democrat, so thinking that he would have the Dems in lockstep behind him is beyond ludicrous.

Hillary, by contrast, has a proven record of working across the aisle and has a good feel for what can and can't be done. She's seen it from the executive office, the Congress and the cabinet. While she's not particularly likable, she knows how to get things done, and that's what we need in a President.

You mean working with the "Vast right wing conspiracy"?

Executive office?

 

[TragicMonkey]

I'm sure he'll be heartbroken to learn he's lost the "Not A Crazy Person" from Meth Lab Mountain California vote.

When I informed Lord Bernie of this treachery via giant blue hologram, he said he would retaliate by destroying all existing light rail projects, ensuring that no future light rail would ever happen, and constructing a new Death Star using union labor. Then we Force-choked some investment bankers for the fun of it.

 

[fuelair]

When I informed Lord Bernie of this treachery via giant blue hologram, he said he would retaliate by destroying all existing light rail projects, ensuring that no future light rail would ever happen, and constructing a new Death Star using union labor. Then we Force-choked some investment bankers for the fun of it.

I am way down with the red line!!!!!

 

[TragicMonkey]

I am way down with the red line!!!!!

So are the investment bankers. People are freaks.

 

[Travis]

I'm sure he'll be heartbroken to learn he's lost the "Not A Crazy Person" from Meth Lab Mountain California vote.

I was all aboard the Bernie train. If his supporters can cool me off with their rhetoric do you not think there are others?

 

[Hercules56]

Bernie says $100 billion a year spent on infrastructure for 10 years, will rebuild the middle class.

Is he nuts?

 

[TragicMonkey]

I was all aboard the Bernie train.

You aren't listening. Bernie has ended all trains, forever. Speak not of trains. You should have thought of that before you betrayed him. The only train you may ride now is the Hillary train, and it only goes to Loserville!

 

[Hercules56]

You aren't listening. Bernie has ended all trains, forever. Speak not of trains. You should have thought of that before you betrayed him. The only train you may ride now is the Hillary train, and it only goes to Loserville!

That's mature.

 

[TragicMonkey]

That's mature.

You new here?

 

[Trakar]

I was all aboard the Bernie train. If his supporters can cool me off with their rhetoric do you not think there are others?

The real question is, has the rhetoric of Hillary's fans been toxic enough to keep progressives and the support they've brought into the process from supporting her after the primaries? I strongly suspect that somewhere between a third and half of Sanders advocates and supporters (current and potential) have never had any inclination to support Hillary or her hodge-podge of insufficient to wrong-headed conservative-lite policies, and will not do so if she wins the Democratic primary.

Personally, I see this as a flawed strategy by the DNC. If they install a conservative-lite candidate like Hillary as the face and direction of the Democratic party, they can't get too upset about progressives refusing to support that conservative-lite candidate, and have no one but themselves to blame for the consequences of their actions.

 

[Trakar]

I like a lot of what Bernie says. I think many of his ideas would be great if we could somehow work them into the American zeitgeist. But my main problem with Bernie is that he is not realistic. He seems to think that by waving his hands, he can change the tax code and run roughshod over Congress, and that's simply not gonna happen. Not only is he at odds with many moderates, he's technically not even a Democrat, so thinking that he would have the Dems in lockstep behind him is beyond ludicrous.

Hillary, by contrast, has a proven record of working across the aisle and has a good feel for what can and can't be done. She's seen it from the executive office, the Congress and the cabinet. While she's not particularly likable, she knows how to get things done, and that's what we need in a President.

I don't think the DNC can win a national election without the progressive base, especially with a figurehead that makes the GOP base rabid and engaged.

 

[varwoche]

The real question is, has the rhetoric of Hillary's fans been toxic enough to keep progressives and the support they've brought into the process from supporting her after the primaries? ...

For instance? (I expect cites to people/entities with some degree of significance, not random bozos on the internet.)

 

[Trakar]

For instance? (I expect cites to people/entities with some degree of significance, not random bozos on the internet.)

And this is the essence of the difference I speak of, I'm talking about millions (possibly 10s of millions, ultimately) of grass roots progressives who are not, and never have been, deeply rooted to the modern (last 30 years) Democratic party but often supported Democratic candidates (if a bit sporadically) and/or policies when they specifically aligned with progressive ideas and goals.

Progressives see Senator Sanders as an opportunity to address a lot of the systemic problems in our nation at a time when the basic underpinnings of our economic and social structure is rotten and starting to crumble at an alarming rate, and see Clinton as a big part of the problem, kinda like having a favorite aunt who is obsessed with clothes and jewelry and thinks Trump is cute and funny. Her flirtation, if not infatuation, with (neo)conservative fiscal perspectives and principles (not to mention international relations) is not an acceptable answer to America's problems internally or globally, in either the near-term, or the long term.

 

[BenBurch]

I like a lot of what Bernie says. I think many of his ideas would be great if we could somehow work them into the American zeitgeist. But my main problem with Bernie is that he is not realistic. He seems to think that by waving his hands, he can change the tax code and run roughshod over Congress, and that's simply not gonna happen. Not only is he at odds with many moderates, he's technically not even a Democrat, so thinking that he would have the Dems in lockstep behind him is beyond ludicrous.

Hillary, by contrast, has a proven record of working across the aisle and has a good feel for what can and can't be done. She's seen it from the executive office, the Congress and the cabinet. While she's not particularly likable, she knows how to get things done, and that's what we need in a President.

Would you rather have a president who tries to do good? I would.

 

[Trakar]

Would you rather have a president who tries to do good? I would.

yeah, that's a big thing, even if Sanders compromised away a best case deal, I'd feel like he sacrificed as little as he could and worked his hardest for the best deal he could get. Whereas her policy proposals sound weak and hollow and I see no commitment to her own policies much less the minimals that I would see as acceptable...

Out for the Holidays,

Sent in notices to attend the Sanders town hall in Reno on Sunday, who knows, maybe he'll open up about Sander's supporters who are feeling offput by the enthusiasm and occasional overzealous nature of some of his more outspoken supporters? Mayhaps we can resolve the thread issue?!



Everyone have a safe, healthy and enjoyable Holiday.

 

[TragicMonkey]

The real question is, has the rhetoric of Hillary's fans been toxic enough to keep progressives and the support they've brought into the process from supporting her after the primaries? I strongly suspect that somewhere between a third and half of Sanders advocates and supporters (current and potential) have never had any inclination to support Hillary or her hodge-podge of insufficient to wrong-headed conservative-lite policies, and will not do so if she wins the Democratic primary.

Personally, I see this as a flawed strategy by the DNC. If they install a conservative-lite candidate like Hillary as the face and direction of the Democratic party, they can't get too upset about progressives refusing to support that conservative-lite candidate, and have no one but themselves to blame for the consequences of their actions.

Agreed. I'll vote for Sanders but not for Clinton. If Clinton gets the nomination I won't vote for her Republican opponent, I just won't vote this time. If Clinton is banking on inheriting Sanders' supporters she is going to be disappointed.