Continuation Part 19: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Grinder - here's another piece on the Stasi case, which draws a comparison with the Perugian debacle.

http://m.ilsecoloxix.it/p/italia/2015/12/13/ASZLZKl-amanda_misure_cassazione.shtml

Google translate seems to indicate there's no question M&B came to the right conclusion, but the piece goes on to express dumbfoundedness that Stasi would be convicted on even less evidence.

 

[bagels]

If you read Boemia carefully, he drew attention to the narrowness of the heel at 40mm and managed to match it to a ladies size 36.5 ASICS trainer. OK, so you and PIP chums claim "they are not Amanda's shoes", you have to concede - which you haven't, which tells me the PIP's know deep in their hearts Amanda is not innocent - that if the shoeprint found in Mez' blood in the murder room is not Amanda's, then: there is a killer at large, likely female, but definitely with feminine sized feet. However, I cannot see anyone caring a darn that this must be the case, logically.

FYI There was no Raff DNA in Raff's car, either. What did happen to the bag of clothes both he and Amanda wrote she went to the cottage to fetch?

Herewith for the record, which shows the bloodstained shoe print transposed on the police sample pic of a ladies size 36.5 ASICS trainer. You'll see it fits perfectly.

In the police image there's an arbitrary sharp corner there for no reason. I've illustrated this with a red line where the tread pattern ends next to the corner in the black and white prosecution image, and added the defense analysis for comparison:

The sharp corner perfectly patches Rudy's Nike's shoe tread pattern.

The defense analysis found two shoeprints there, on top of each other, but angled in slightly different directions. It looks like the prosecution "expert" took the features from both to get his measurements of a single ladies size shoeprint.

Of course maybe Amanda, just like Rudy, got blood on her left shoe only. And happened to be wearing a pair of shoes that would leave a remarkably similar tread pattern that nobody ever saw her wearing, in the midst of Rudy's other shoe prints, in the same spot, that could be measured as part of two of Rudy's left bloody shoe prints. So score another one for the miracle girl. She got away with it again!

 

[bagels]

Several of the bloody footprints match Raff and Amanda, too. Forensic fact.

Have you found a forensic scientist that says luminol makes the presence of blood a forensic fact yet? Or did you just make this up because it sounded good?

 

[acbytesla]

If you read Boemia carefully, he drew attention to the narrowness of the heel at 40mm and managed to match it to a ladies size 36.5 ASICS trainer. OK, so you and PIP chums claim "they are not Amanda's shoes", you have to concede - which you haven't, which tells me the PIP's know deep in their hearts Amanda is not innocent - that if the shoeprint found in Mez' blood in the murder room is not Amanda's, then: there is a killer at large, likely female, but definitely with feminine sized feet. However, I cannot see anyone caring a darn that this must be the case, logically.

FYI There was no Raff DNA in Raff's car, either. What did happen to the bag of clothes both he and Amanda wrote she went to the cottage to fetch?

Herewith for the record, which shows the bloodstained shoe print transposed on the police sample pic of a ladies size 36.5 ASICS trainer. You'll see it fits perfectly.

IT doesn't fit perfectly. The tread pattern is totally different and as I said before. That is a partial print of the same Rudy's Nike Outbreak 2. Vinci shows how Boemia's analysis was flawed. Sadly, Boemia and Vixen ignore that the tread patten matches perfectly with the Nike Outbreak 2. The same as all the other prints. Oooops.

Ninja'd by Bagels. The prosecution's experts were outclassed every time by the Defense. I can't read Italian but Vinci's report is filled with images that makes it easy to come to the conclusion that is Rudy's shoe print.

 

[acbytesla]

Wow! 14 posts from 11:51 am to 1:05 pm . . .

She's hit and run too. Doesn't stick around to see her points demolished.

 

[Vixen]

Yep, Prof Vinci is the defence consultant, and even without speaking Italian, it is quite clear that his analysis makes a lot more sense from a scientific viewpoint than Rinaldi's. Am I supposed to be impressed by the lable "official forensic analysis"?

Perhaps the only truthful thing in Rinaldi's report is the classification of the various prints he had to analyse. He classified all of them as either "non utile per confronti positivi ma utile per confronti negativi” or "non utile". He should have stopped at this point, or if he really wanted to attribute some compatibility to those prints he should have had at least few more reference prints. You know that Meredith Kercher (36-38) and Amanda Knox (37) had about the same shoe size, according to Rinaldi's report, don't you?
The interesting thing is, that to me the following attributions don't even look "compatible":
Knox:

[qimg]http://amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/564126_453745197992550_1874643069_n.jpg[/qimg]

Sollecito:

[qimg]http://amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Page-61-Vinci-Report.jpg[/qimg]

My impression of Vinci is that he focuses on his pet theory (as paid for by the defence in this case) and conveniently ignores anything that could be incriminating. His photos look fishy to me.

As the pillow where the ladies size 36.5 footprint was found was not placed on the floor under Mez' torso until after her murder; obviously, Mez was not the one who stepped on it.

Mez was about two inches taller and prolly took a larger size shoe than Amanda.

 

[Grinder]

If you read Boemia carefully, he drew attention to the narrowness of the heel at 40mm and managed to match it to a ladies size 36.5 ASICS trainer. OK, so you and PIP chums claim "they are not Amanda's shoes", you have to concede - which you haven't, which tells me the PIP's know deep in their hearts Amanda is not innocent - that if the shoeprint found in Mez' blood in the murder room is not Amanda's, then: there is a killer at large, likely female, but definitely with feminine sized feet. However, I cannot see anyone caring a darn that this must be the case, logically.

FYI There was no Raff DNA in Raff's car, either. What did happen to the bag of clothes both he and Amanda wrote she went to the cottage to fetch?

Herewith for the record, which shows the bloodstained shoe print transposed on the police sample pic of a ladies size 36.5 ASICS trainer. You'll see it fits perfectly.

I can't see it on the thumbnail but I can read what Massei concluded:

The Court, on this point, takes notice of the opposing conclusions without expressing a specific opinion. It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion lying on the floor, to the exclusion of Knox (the smaller dimensions of the right foot can be explained by the characteristics of the underlying surface, the pillow, having a non-rigid structure and where the material of the pillow-slip may have been not perfectly straightened out,...

The purpose of the investigation of merchants and shoe manufacturers was not to propose the ASICS as the shoe that produced the print in question; the objective, more modestly, was simply to indicate how the dimensions of the print (held to be sufficiently complete and not merely partial) were in themselves comparable to women’s shoes available on the market, with the consequence of providing support for the hypothesis of two types of footwear at the murder scene, above all Rudy Guede’s indisputably identified shoe, and, on the other hand, a woman’s shoe, whose dimensions, being indicated as between size 36 and size 38, are compatible with Amanda Knox’s shoe size, which is size 37.

 

[Vixen]

Oh, I tried a few of those synonyms - like odour (two hits, none of them related to Knox) - as well, so if you want to keep up claiming this you might want to give us a quote including the page number or kindle location..


Now you are attributing PQ's interpretation of BN's "She smelled like sex" to Nick van der Leek? I wonder what Mr van der Leek's sources are? PQ first offered/invented it in this comment:

It became a gospel at TJMK after it was refined in the comment here:

It's interesting that he isn't able to focus on one drug. What is it now, cocaine or crystal meth?

I cannot find my copy of Darkness Descending ATM. I have been taking armfuls of books to the local charity shop to declutter, so it may turn up at any moment.

 

[Vixen]

So your previous assertion that you had never once broken the law was a lie?

Sorry - I meant to say, "another lie".

How do you know it wasn't on private land? OK, apart from an accidental parking ticket and inadvertently going over 70mph on just one occasion, on holiday in Scotland, oh, and also the M1, and also er... well, apart from minor driving things, I can honestly say I have never broken the law.

Can you?

 

[Vixen]

Have you found a forensic scientist that says luminol makes the presence of blood a forensic fact yet? Or did you just make this up because it sounded good?

It was you, bagels, who pointed us all to the fact Rudy left "footprints in blood" as would have been highlighted by luminol. If it applies to Rudy, it applies to the kids.

Do you follow the logic?

 

[Vixen]

I can't see it on the thumbnail but I can read what Massei concluded:

The Court, on this point, takes notice of the opposing conclusions without expressing a specific opinion. It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion lying on the floor, to the exclusion of Knox (the smaller dimensions of the right foot can be explained by the characteristics of the underlying surface, the pillow, having a non-rigid structure and where the material of the pillow-slip may have been not perfectly straightened out,...

The purpose of the investigation of merchants and shoe manufacturers was not to propose the ASICS as the shoe that produced the print in question; the objective, more modestly, was simply to indicate how the dimensions of the print (held to be sufficiently complete and not merely partial) were in themselves comparable to women’s shoes available on the market, with the consequence of providing support for the hypothesis of two types of footwear at the murder scene, above all Rudy Guede’s indisputably identified shoe, and, on the other hand, a woman’s shoe, whose dimensions, being indicated as between size 36 and size 38, are compatible with Amanda Knox’s shoe size, which is size 37.

OK, fair enough.

 

[Vixen]

IT doesn't fit perfectly. The tread pattern is totally different and as I said before. That is a partial print of the same Rudy's Nike Outbreak 2. Vinci shows how Boemia's analysis was flawed. Sadly, Boemia and Vixen ignore that the tread patten matches perfectly with the Nike Outbreak 2. The same as all the other prints. Oooops.

Ninja'd by Bagels. The prosecution's experts were outclassed every time by the Defense. I can't read Italian but Vinci's report is filled with images that makes it easy to come to the conclusion that is Rudy's shoe print.

Vinci is paid by the defence to say whatever it is the defence wants him to say. I consider him to be a liar.

 

[acbytesla]

My impression of Vinci is that he focuses on his pet theory (as paid for by the defence in this case) and conveniently ignores anything that could be incriminating. His photos look fishy to me.

As the pillow where the ladies size 36.5 footprint was found was not placed on the floor under Mez' torso until after her murder; obviously, Mez was not the one who stepped on it.

Mez was about two inches taller and prolly took a larger size shoe than Amanda.

It's no surprise that you dismiss Vinci. You probably never even looked at his report. You've said similar things about Dr. Gill, Detective John Douglas and Ron Hendry.

Vinci is very thorough The enhanced images show how perfectly the tread on this"so called woman's shoe print" actually perfectly matches the Nike Outbreak 2. Just like all the other prints.

How is that possible Vixen? Looks like Vinci knows how to do his job.

 

[Vixen]

Wow. You even accuse the convicting judges of misconduct. If it's not apparent to you that you have, there's no point pointing it out.

Don't put words in my mouth. Judges have wide-ranging powers on how they interpret facts found at trial. As I say, Massei bent over backwards for Papa Raff in respect of the trainer prints, as police identified them as Raff's.

Massei also gave Rudy lead role. That's his prerogative. That is hardly "misconduct".

 

[acbytesla]

I cannot find my copy of Darkness Descending ATM. I have been taking armfuls of books to the local charity shop to declutter, so it may turn up at any moment.

Even though you used it as reference to back up your lies? At least you are consistent in almost never producing detailed cites to back up your wildly inaccurate claims.

 

[Vixen]

It's no surprise that you dismiss Vinci. You probably never even looked at his report. You've said similar things about Dr. Gill, Detective John Douglas and Ron Hendry.

Vinci is very thorough The enhanced images show how perfectly the tread on this"so called woman's shoe print" actually perfectly matches the Nike Outbreak 2. Just like all the other prints.

How is that possible Vixen? Looks like Vinci knows how to do his job.

Good artwork. Let me come back to you on this. Another defence bod swore the shoeprint outlines were virtually indistinguishable. Amazingly, Vinci manages to rewrite history. I dare say you could match almost any shoe with a little determination.

ETA Gill, Douglas and Hendry do not hide the fact they advocate for the defence.

 

[Vixen]

Even though you used it as reference to back up your lies? At least you are consistent in almost never producing detailed cites to back up your wildly inaccurate claims.

I have a good memory.

 

[Desert Fox]

I had a strange thought - lets pretend that Amanda and Raff actually were guilty. Would they even deserve the hatred they get? The guilt side treats them as if they are worse than the Green River Killer.

 

[acbytesla]

Good artwork. Let me come back to you on this. Another defence bod swore the shoeprint outlines were virtually indistinguishable. Amazingly, Vinci manages to rewrite history. I dare say you could match almost any shoe with a little determination.
ETA Gill, Douglas and Hendry do not hide the fact they advocate for the defence.

No, not hardly, It's clear that this print doesn't match ANY of Amanda's shoes. Keep in mind that the prosecution's experts originally said that all those shoe prints matched Raffaele Nike Air Force One. It is the prosecution's experts that seem willing to say anything to get paid not the Defense experts.

It is you that is trying to rewrite history. You are on a mission to obfuscate the facts in a case that has been definitively decided. DEFINITIVELY .

 

[acbytesla]

I have a good memory.

Clearly you dont. As it was just proved again for probably the hundredth time that your claim was false and your cited source did not support it.