Continuation Part 19: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Give it time. There is a massive corruption scandal waiting to break.

Agreed. The first shot in that breaking news was Mignini being charged with abuse of office.

Yesterday's action is more along that vein. Mignini was indeed corrupt, and now his peers have exposed one small measure of it.

Oh................... sorry. I misunderstood you. You are a party to the Quennell "breaking news" stuff, who has predicted for the last 6 years that people like RS will be buried under defamation lawsuits.

I would suggest that the legal landscape for those predatory prosecutions changed radically with the March 2015 acquittals. Witness the censuring.

But you are quite correct, there is more to come.

 

[Vixen]

I'd say you're right, but Mignini has been involved in 2 of the most notoriously bad cases in Italian history. This doesn't look good.He's an embarrassment. Still, Italy seems to have a habit of sweeping embarrassments under the rug.

If I was betting, I'd say it will come to nothing....but it can't be good for Mignini if Raffaele stays in the public eye.

Raff is a Bloody Fool and will be shown up as one, the way he carries on.

 

[Grinder]

That's a straw man, as bagel's false premise was, "Rudy must have been the sole perp as he was a burglar".

And IIRC your retort was that he wasn't convicted and I pointed out neither were the kids of anything before the murder.

 

[Vixen]

Nonsense. This is more than 8 years later. They could have cared less before the stunning Supreme Court decision . Mignini and company got bitch slapped by the Supreme Court and Mig's bosses are throwing him under the he bus. They don't want to go down with him if it comes to that.

No, they are simply appeasing the complainant, Raff.

It's a token gesture. End of.

 

[Vixen]

This may be the funniest thing I've heard all week

There was, as a matter of fact, no women's size 37 shoe print found in Kercher's blood in Kercher's room. As a matter of fact, this can conclusively be shown to be a portion of the same men's size 44 Nike Outbreak 2 shoe attributed to (and admitted to by) Guede. The tread patterns can be matched exactly. It was a grotesque error by Boemi and the rest of the police's forensics team to find that this was a print made by a smaller women's trainer/shoe.

The prosecution's "experts" were way, way out of their depth when it came to footprint and shoe print analysis and attribution. They basically made things up to suit the police and PM. They were risibly - and possibly unlawfully - incompetent.

You are factually incorrect (again, quelle surprise) and your near hysterical tone does not mask it. Boemia assessed it was a woman's trainer as the heel on a female shoe is significantly narrower. There is no way Rudy could have squeezed into such a shoe (ladies size 37 UK size 5) when he was size 45. EIGHT sizes larger.

 

[Bill Williams]

No, they are simply appeasing the complainant, Raff.

It's a token gesture. End of.

LOL! Being censured by one's peers is called a "token gesture"?

Minimize everything about Mignini, maximize everything against the defence.

 

[Bill Williams]

You are factually incorrect (again, quelle surprise) and your near hysterical tone does not mask it. Boemia assessed it was a woman's trainer as the heel on a female shoe is significantly narrower. There is no way Rudy could have squeezed into such a shoe (ladies size 37 UK size 5) when he was size 45.

You still need to deal with Grinder's point about suspect-centred investigations. No wait, then you'd not be able to put this forward as pseudo-evidence!

Remember, the Marasca report characterized this whole process as an incompetent and amnesiac investigation and judicial circus.

 

[Vixen]

No its not. One only needs to view the bath mat testimony and look with one's eyes. They suggested that equivocal evidence at best was conclusive. Some people will always sell out.

Yep. Seeing is believing. Have a butchers of the hammer toe and broad ball width. Rudy's feet are totally dissimilar to Raff's, being long and slender.

BTW, who cleaned up the heel part of the footprint, off the mat?

Clue: cui bono?

 

[Vixen]

Rudy also said that Amanda was not there.

Which is exactly what Prisoners' Dilemma prescribes.

 

[Desert Fox]

Which is exactly what Prisoners' Dilemma prescribes.

If you look at cases, most of the time one prisoner will turn on the other.
I actually think one effect is that the streetwise criminal is more likely to turn on an innocent patsy if offered by the police. Most are perfectly willing to destroy somebody else to save their own skin.

Look at Micheal Carson with the West Memphis Three. To get out of a drug charge, he was willing to send Jason Baldwin to the lethal injection gurney.

 

[acbytesla]

She was taking drugs and having wild sex with ppl she barely knew. The claim, she hardly knew Rudy, also applies to Raff (five days!).

No, it does not. Amanda had been spending almost every free moment with Raffaele. She knew Rudy in passing. Huge difference. But hey, why let the facts get in the way.

 

[Vixen]

BTW - before anything, that is a very attractive avatar of the ("Finnish"?) flag! To what to the words refer?

Please refer to the post by LondonJohn. Reading the testimony in court, sworn or unsworn, is useless without also reading the court's evaluation of that evidence, as well as further expert opinion. For instance, Amanda Knox said as part of court testimony that she was hit at interrogation. Yet you do not believe that!

"There" "was" "no" "evidence" "of" "this". For clarity, the "this" is the claim that a size 37 women's shoe track was found in Meredith's room in blood.

That this stuff is trotted out when one has nothing else.

Note of interest #1 - Giuliano Mignini has just been censored by his peers for violating one of the most basic rights Italy affords any accused. Despite the claim that it was some sort of mix-up (a claim advanced by Mignini at the hearing), this was not believed by his peers. Mignini is lying as he always has about this case. He now goes down in the annuls of Italian jurisprudence as presiding over two, not one but two of the most egregiously wrongful prosecutions in that country's history. (Perhaps exceeded only by the trials Galileo faced.)

Note of interest #2 - Vixen says, "No, you are only a burglar if convicted of it by a court of law." Why then does Vixen call AK and RS the "M" word? Disinterested observers might begin to feel that this is akin to making up things as one goes; with confirmation bias being the sole criteria for how things are assessed.

Hoots!

It's commonplace for those in the law enforcement industries to have complaints lodged by disgruntled "clients". When I was in the insolvency industry, there was not one IP who didn't have an arch lever file crammed full of letters of complaint. Even KPMG and ErnstYoung had censures from their regulato, for example, ICAEW, because someone complained about something or other.

The avatar acknowledges Finland Independence Day 6th Dec (1917) and the words, Oi, maamme, Suomi, synnyimaa, soi sana kultainen' was written by Runeberg circa 1814 and became our national anthem in the C20. It translates as, "O, our country, Finland, country of our birth, ring out the golden (= also means 'dear') word!" The golden word being "maamme" (=our country).

Here endeth today's lesson.

ETA I didn't say they were murderers, I believe they "almost certainly" are - in the Italian definition of being one even if only passively present in a supportive role* - in my view. Show me something that shows otherwise.

*In the USA something similar would be "conspiracy to murder" (Charles Manson) or "murder by intimidation" (cf Mario Cascarios, now acquitted).

 

[acbytesla]

Raff is a Bloody Fool and will be shown up as one, the way he carries on.

Raff is such a bloody fool that the it an government is giving him money...and I expect them to give him a lot more.

 

[Vixen]

And IIRC your retort was that he wasn't convicted and I pointed out neither were the kids of anything before the murder.

Logical fallacy, as nobody said they were! Straw man.

 

[acbytesla]

Yep. Seeing is believing. Have a butchers of the hammer toe and broad ball width. Rudy's feet are totally dissimilar to Raff's, being long and slender.

BTW, who cleaned up the heel part of the footprint, off the mat?

Clue: cui bono?

You're delusional. As to your last question. No one. That the heel is missing is either the result that little or no blood was on Rudy's heel or that he was not applying as much pressure.

 

[Vixen]

You still need to deal with Grinder's point about suspect-centred investigations. No wait, then you'd not be able to put this forward as pseudo-evidence!

Remember, the Marasca report characterized this whole process as an incompetent and amnesiac investigation and judicial circus.

Marasca is simply cutting and pasting from Bongiorno's points of appeal. It is a clear mistrial as she had two days for her submissions, when everyone else was given just twenty minutes each, as directed by Marasca.

I know he was pressured long into the night by Bruno to acquit so we have to view the junior judge with abhorrence, in his lack of experience and egregiously exerting undue influence on his peers.

 

[Vixen]

If you look at cases, most of the time one prisoner will turn on the other.
I actually think one effect is that the streetwise criminal is more likely to turn on an innocent patsy if offered by the police. Most are perfectly willing to destroy somebody else to save their own skin.

Look at Micheal Carson with the West Memphis Three. To get out of a drug charge, he was willing to send Jason Baldwin to the lethal injection gurney.

Look at Amanda Knox, offering up Patrick Lumumba as the sacrificial lamb.

Look at Shane Lamb in the Mario Cascarios case, gleefully offering up someone else, now conveniently dead (Render _sp?).

 

[Vixen]

Raff is such a bloody fool that the it an government is giving him money...and I expect them to give him a lot more.

It'll be interesting to see if Raff gets a single Lire after all the lies he told and refusal to cooperate.

 

[Grinder]

Logical fallacy, as nobody said they were! Straw man.

Since you did and have held up the fact that Rudi wasn't convicted before the murder as some sort point in favor of your POV and you have repeated that the kids were of bad character as evidence they did the crime (pranks, sex, drugs etc.) I merely pointed out just like Rudi they weren't convicted of anything.

Got it now?

 

[Grinder]

It'll be interesting to see if Raff gets a single Lire after all the lies he told and refusal to cooperate.

What's the exchange rate between Lires and Euros?