Religious advertising - is it deceptive?

[Leumas]

Nor is the title "Religious advertising - is it deceptive by the personal standards of some guy who clearly has a bone to pick with religion and a penchant to argue solely by means of mockery?" ....

OH YES IT IS... otherwise it would not have been posted as the title of a thread on A SKEPTICS' FORUM posed as a question for SKEPTICS and otherwise to opinionate upon and to post their opinions about and to argue their take upon it.

So it is INDEED precisely that.

Your opinion might be to defer the matter to a cadre of lawyers employed by corporations and advertising agencies to wrangle the issue according to their abilities to GAME THE LAWS.

However, the question is posed right here on a FORUM FOR SKEPTICS and it is a thread for skeptics or otherwise to debate.

So telling us that we cannot do that because we are not lawyers is an utter insult to the FORUM and to its members and an utter moving of the goal posts where no one can ever even see them let alone try to put an argument through them.

 

[JayUtah]

OH YES IT IS

It factually is not.

 

[Leumas]

At first they fooled me, but then, after awhile, I grew suspicious.

So they must be no longer deceptive according your illogic.... no???

 

[Leumas]

It factually is not.

Your Ipse Dixit does not a fact make no matter how much you wishfully think it does.

 

[marplots]

So they must be no longer deceptive according your illogic.... no???

I got lost in the triple negative there.

 

[JayUtah]

Your Ipse Dixit does not a fact make no matter how much you wishfully think it does.

It is an observable fact that the title of this thread is not "Religious advertising - is it deceptive by the personal standards of some guy who clearly has a bone to pick with religion and a penchant to argue solely by means of mockery?"

 

[The Big Dog]

If God is a fictional being then the Lord's prayer is deception.

The Lord is of the same substance as God in the NT.

The Lord and God are ONE.

The very claim that the LORD Prayed is deception.

No such prayer have ever been said by the LORD.


Matthew 6


John10:30----I and my Father are one.[/hilite The Lord's prayer is open deception--there is zero evidence of the Lord and "our" father in heaven".

The Lord in the Lord's Prayer is Jesus. Already established that. Make a note of it. By the way, every time that your argue by bald assertion, I want to add an Amen at the end

 

[marplots]

Here's a Mormon ad. Deceptive?

 

[Peterson]

On examination of the Lord's Prayer it is fiction and deception.

Please answer the questions!!!

Who is the Lord in heaven?

When did the Lord say such a prayer?

It is blatant deception to imply that a fiction character called the Lord in heaven can give people "daily bread".

People need to get a real job so that they can get their "daily bread".

To confuse you even more, some translate "daily bread" as “bread for the morrow” which gives it a more apocalyptic tone. It is asking God for a taste of what is to come (i.e. Heaven).

Are you only able to read this sort of thing literally? Is it a lack of imagination? It's certainly not from a lack of interest because you spend a lot of time talking bout the same things on here.

ETA: I didn't realize this was 5 pages already so I'm not sure if I'm repeating anything.

 

[Leumas]

To confuse you even more, some translate "daily bread" as “bread for the morrow” which gives it a more apocalyptic tone. It is asking God for a taste of what is to come (i.e. Heaven).

Are you only able to read this sort of thing literally? Is it a lack of imagination? It's certainly not from a lack of interest because you spend a lot of time talking bout the same things on here.

ETA: I didn't realize this was 5 pages already so I'm not sure if I'm repeating anything.

Can you explain how any of the above is relevant to whether or not religious advertising is deceptive?

 

[Leumas]

The Lord in the Lord's Prayer is Jesus. Already established that. Make a note of it.

By the way, every time that your argue by bald assertion, I want to add an Amen at the end

Can you explain how any of the above is relevant to whether or not religious advertising is deceptive?

 

[The Big Dog]

Can you explain how any of the above is relevant to whether or not religious advertising is deceptive?

LOVE TO! The OP claimed that the "Lord" referred to God, when in fact it refers to Jesus Christ.

Now if you want to continue to debate whether he was a historical person referred to as Jesus, we already got a whole thread about that.

Happy to help! Joyeux Noel!

 

[Leumas]

LOVE TO! The OP claimed that the "Lord" referred to God, when in fact it refers to Jesus Christ.

Now if you want to continue to debate whether he was a historical person referred to as Jesus, we already got a whole thread about that.

Happy to help! Joyeux Noel!

That is an utterly irrelevant claptrap... it remains a fact that religion and the sky daddy's begging session whomever he happens to be and any religious advertising is nothing but artifices of deception and bamboozlement for exploiting the gullibility and stupidity of people so as to more readily fleece them, herd them and placate them

 

[The Big Dog]

That is an utterly irrelevant claptrap... it remains a fact that religion and the sky daddy's begging session whomever he happens to be and any religious advertising is nothing but artifices of deception and bamboozlement for exploiting the gullibility and stupidity of people so as to more readily fleece them, herd them and placate them

LOLZ! Are you really claiming that correcting the OP (and your errors in subsequent posts) is irrelevant? well, of course, you are wrong.

As far as that next anti-theistic rant, I laughed and laughed!

Sky Daddy? DRINK!!!!! Hee hee!

by the way, why DO people use juvenile pejoratives like "Sky Daddy" on a so-called skeptics site?

Oh man, that guy using sky daddy really makes ya think! Hee hee!

 

[marplots]

It occurred to me that the two ads I linked to, CoS and LDS, evade the charge of deception because they don't make any direct claims. In this sense, they aren't traditional ads that are trying to sell a product, but a type of brand messaging. The CoS is associating itself with knowledge and the LDS with family values.

Since it's tough to call a brand awareness campaign outright deception, I'm thinking there may be better examples of religious advertising where the line is crossed. For example, if a Jack Chick tract counts as advertising, I'd say that was deceptive in the extreme. Not only for the promises made, but for the mischaracterizations of atheists (and others) in order to make the pitch.

 

[elipse]

The Jewish sky daddy and his ill begotten son Jesus have been sitting on their butts for the last two thousand years doing absolutely nothing that I am inclined to imagine them as having become much like Jabba the Hutt by now.

[imgw=300]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Jabba_the_Hutt.png[/imgw]

This is my favourite post I've ever seen from you. Short, snappy, and clever. Well played.

 

[elipse]

LOVE TO! The OP claimed that the "Lord" referred to God, when in fact it refers to Jesus Christ.

Now if you want to continue to debate whether he was a historical person referred to as Jesus, we already got a whole thread about that.

Happy to help! Joyeux Noel!

Just to let you know, in my parent's religious tradition it is God who is being prayed to, not Jesus, so your assertion is not universal.

Jesus isn't usually referred to as father, so far as my experience goes. Son, lamb, Prince of peace (not king, notice) Christ, savior, messiah, but father seems reserved for God.

But then, I never got the whole "god and Jesus are the same but different" thing. I always figurex, "i and my father are one" meant " my father and I are in complete accord and understanding and you can take my words as though he were speaking them."

Not that it's more than an academic excersize in interpreting an ancient text, now, but it still makes more sense that way.

 

[Pixel42]

The Lord's prayer is the prayer Jesus himself made up and taught his disciples. It's his prayer in that sense, not in the sense that he is the Lord being prayed to.

 

[dejudge]

The Lord in the Lord's Prayer is Jesus. Already established that. Make a note of it.

If the Lord in the Lord's Prayer is the character called Jesus Christ then the Lord's Prayer is blatant deception.

Jesus Christ in the NT was the product of a Ghost and God Creator/the Logos and could NOT could not have actually prayed or asked anyone at anytime to pray.


The so-called Lord's prayer is found in gMatthew.

If the Lord is Jesus Christ then the Lord was born AFTER his mother was found withchild of a Ghost in the obvious non-historical monstrous fables called gospels.

If Jesus Christ was born of a Ghost in gMatthew who is "OUR FATHER" in the Lord's Prayer???

God is a Ghost!!!!


John 4:24 ----God is a Spirit....
The Lord's prayer is established deception when it is claimed the Lord is Jesus Christ [the product of a Ghost].

 

[The Big Dog]

Just to let you know, in my parent's religious tradition it is God who is being prayed to, not Jesus, so your assertion is not universal.
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The Lord's prayer is the prayer Jesus himself made up and taught his disciples. It's his prayer in that sense, not in the sense that he is the Lord being prayed to.

This.