Is this another milestone in a racially motivated arms race?

[Distracted1]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-of-black-lives-matter-protest-in-minneapolis

Apparently, several protesters at a rally in Minneapolis were shot last night by reportedly masked white men who might have been harassing the protestors verbally.
Early reports indicate that the "counter-protestors" may have been being "escorted" away from the rally when shots rang out.
I suspect there will be a great deal of argument/counter argument surrounding this incident with shades of Trayyvon Martin if the men are caught and turn out to be who the initial reports indicate they are.

I wonder,
With the attention that the "Black Lives Matter" movement has been garnering since Michael Brown- and the agita that has been causing amongst many, will we be looking back at this incident next summer as a tipping point wherein the serious violence began?

 

[HenryLee]

if the men are caught and turn out to be who the initial reports indicate they are.

And if they're not there are plenty who will believe it's a cover-up.

 

[WildCat]

We'll see how this plays out, the BLM protestors admit in this video they assaulted (meaning punched several times) the alleged white supremacists prior to the shooting. They certainly have no right to kick anyone out of a public place, let alone assault them.

 

[HenryLee]

We'll see how this plays out, the BLM protestors admit in this video they assaulted (meaning punched several times) the alleged white supremacists prior to the shooting. They certainly have no right to kick anyone out of a public place, let alone assault them.

So they assaulted them and were then "escorting" them somewhere else, away from any cameras or witnesses perhaps?

 

[Mumbles]

will we be looking back at this incident next summer as a tipping point wherein the serious violence began?

You're a few centuries too late for that one.

 

[WildCat]

This story says the incident occurred a block away from the station, where the protest was. So the BLM activists pushed them away a full block and then started punching them according to the BLM protestor in the video.

It matters not whether they were white supremacists or just hecklers, if they were chased for a block and then assaulted it may well be a justified shooting.

 

[johnny karate]

This story says the incident occurred a block away from the station, where the protest was. So the BLM activists pushed them away a full block and then started punching them according to the BLM protestor in the video.

It matters not whether they were white supremacists or just hecklers, if they were chased for a block and then assaulted it may well be a justified shooting.

Quote from the witness in the video cited above:

There was a crowd trying to push the white supremacists back and push them out of the camp because one person was like "They're reaching for a gun" so we were pushing them back...

Also not hearing where it is claimed punches were thrown.

 

[HenryLee]

I hope they kept their camera running.

 

[HenryLee]

:25 everybody started rushing them at the same time.

1:01 somebody started punchin' one of 'em

1:05 then one of 'em started reachin'...I was like he got a gun

1:10 somebody hit somebody else and they hit the gate one more time

1:14 they started runnin' back and the crowd started chasin' them down there.

 

[WildCat]

Quote from the witness in the video cited above:


Also not hearing where it is claimed punches were thrown.

Watch it again, the critical part starts at :55:

Man on left: The one that had the black lives matter I said all you gotta do is take off your mask and he "no, no".

Man on right: So somebody out the crowd punched one of them they hit the gate over here. After that one of them started reaching and backing up.

Man on left: I'm like he got a gun, he got a gun

Man on right: So after they hit the gate again they head this way (points) they went around the corner somebody hits somebody else they hit the gate one more time and after that they started running back and then the crowd started chasing them down there until they got down there -

Man on left: I'm telling 'em like they got a gun don't follow 'em don't, don't chase 'em down they reachin'

Man on right: They reachin' for the gun or whatever so they hittin' the block and we turn around

Man on left: I'm telling him like no, come on we-

Man on right: He telling me to turn around, so I go back and we telling the crowd to go back like come back don't go down there they got a gun they continue to run after them and then as soon as they got 'em down there they try to get 'em to a spot where there weren't no cameras at they started opening fire

Now if you disagree with my transcript feel free to offer corrections.

 

[johnny karate]

:25 everybody started rushing them at the same time.

1:01 somebody started punchin' one of 'em

1:05 then one of 'em started reachin'...I was like he got a gun

1:10 somebody hit somebody else and they hit the gate one more time

1:14 they started runnin' back and the crowd started chasin' them down there.

Are you quoting the video testimony by Jie Wronski-Riley in WildCat's link?

Because none of what you are claiming matches up with the video I see.

 

[HenryLee]

Are you quoting the video testimony by Jie Wronski-Riley in WildCat's link?

Because none of what you are claiming matches up with the video I see.

That's from the video in WC's post. It might be off a second here or there but according to those two gentlemen the punches started before the gun came out.

But they are wearing masks and according to them you can't trust someone in a mask.

 

[William Parcher]

Now if you disagree with my transcript feel free to offer corrections.

Transcript? It appears to be a foreign language with some similarities to English.

 

[WildCat]

That's from the video in WC's post. It might be off a second here or there but according to those two gentlemen the punches started before the gun came out.

But they are wearing masks and according to them you can't trust someone in a mask.

Wear a mask, that's a beating. Unless they're on your side of course.

 

[WildCat]

Are you quoting the video testimony by Jie Wronski-Riley in WildCat's link?

Because none of what you are claiming matches up with the video I see.

What video are you seeing? Got a transcript, or corrections to mine?

 

[Mumbles]

In any case, these fellas had been known for the past few days - black lives matter Minneapolis posted this video that they shot of themselves driving to the protest a few days ago, armed and referring to the black protestors as "find us" which, yep, new racial slur. Hey, at least they're starting to be a bit inventive now.

So, y ah, not much of a shock so far.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

What video are you seeing? Got a transcript, or corrections to mine?

I listened while looking at your transcript, and it was very precise and accurate.

In any case, these fellas had been known for the past few days - black lives matter Minneapolis posted this video that they shot of themselves driving to the protest a few days ago, armed and referring to the black protestors as "find us" which, yep, new racial slur. Hey, at least they're starting to be a bit inventive now.

So, y ah, not much of a shock so far.

I guess your phone autocorrected "dindus" into "find us."

Yea, these guys call them dindus and they seem to be going to deliberately stir them up or at least try to document what they're doing in the hopes that they capture "the real situation the media won't show us" etc. That sort of mindset. I don't think it's that crazy. I don't think it's crazy to feel that the media sugar coats BLM type gatherings somewhat and that there is a service for the public to be done in presenting a more accurate picture of how a lot of the participants at these things behave.

Them bringing legally owned/carried firearms doesn't strike me as a problem. It actually strikes me as very prudent. This has seemingly now been proven by exactly what happened to them (illegally attacked by the protesters and taken off to where no cameras were for additional, more violent attacks)

Did you see the video of one of the blacks there telling another black person to turn off their camera as they all closed in on these guys who they already had circled with their backs up against something? I saw it. That video was apparently just prior to them opening fire.

It's legal to shoot at a group of people who are physically attacking you and making their intent to escalate that attack clear, is it not?

Some will say it is a deliberate provocation to go there as white males with masks and firearms and it may be. But just like the videos where pranksters go to the ghetto and say things or do things, knowing they'll be rapidly and reliably physically attacked, one must keep in mind that this same sort of "provocation" doesn't work in other areas and on other communities.

I would say that the exact same attributes that make there be such a long list of reliable ways to get physically attacked in these areas are also the same reasons why the events which these protests follow happen in the first place.

If a person or a community is a known violent hot head who can be very, very easily provoked... it may be d-baggish for others to deliberately take advantage of that to stir them up, make them do something stupid, and then get them in trouble... but ultimately the solution is for them to stop being like that so they can't be set up in that way.

 

[Mycroft]

It's legal to shoot at a group of people who are physically attacking you and making their intent to escalate that attack clear, is it not?

I'm not an attorney, but I would think you would have some obligation to make sure you're just shooting at people who are directly attacking you, and not just firing into a crowd.

 

[WildCat]

I'm not an attorney, but I would think you would have some obligation to make sure you're just shooting at people who are directly attacking you, and not just firing into a crowd.

This happened a block away from the demonstration, the "crowd" at the scene of the shooting was attacking - chasing and throwing punches. This is per the video linked above.

It's not like they walked up and started shooting into a crowd of protestors.

 

[HenryLee]

"Escort" now means to chase with intent to do harm.