Gage and Szamboti to speak at New Jersey Institute of Technology

[beachnut]

The missing jolt paper is a joke; anyone can read it, do some math, and see the fraud, see the big error; the 31g error... try it... see the joke, it is in the math/time/distance; as if someone skipped physics and ignores reality.

Time, speed, distance, things 911 truth fails to comprehend... aka reality.

Was the "missing jolt", better known as failed physics, discussed at the woo presentation?

 

[ozeco41]

The missing jolt paper is a joke;...

Maybe - pathetic is the word I would use - there is little humour in the nonsense. It certainly shows that the authors did not have much of a clue as to what they were describing.

anyone can read it, do some math, and see the fraud, see the big error;...

Anyone sure can. And anyone with some understanding will see that you don't even need the maths. The BIG ERROR is that they took a limit case starting premise and applied it as if it was the real event. It wasn't. Sure you can use maths but no need to go there - they are mixing apples and lamb chops.

So they actually proved Bazant was right. Bazant from the outset identified that his limit case was more extreme than the real event. Szamboti and MacQueen proved Bazant right on that point.

Was the "missing jolt", better known as failed physics, discussed at the woo presentation?

Sander says it was - and if he still claimed MJ was right at NJIT Szamboti was not being truthful - just as Gage was untruthful at NJIT when he claimed CD.

Note that I have challenged T Szamboti on his honesty at NJIT and he has evaded responding to that point.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Can you describe what you think should be done that hasn't been already?

I already have and it fell on death ears, even carried out experiments of my own, at my own cost! Also at risk of personal injury!

I have oxidized iron in a wave of debris traveling in air, creating microspheres and macro spheres.

I have induced temperatures of over 1400C in a model of the twin towers core dropped 30Ft.
Do to hot soot in air that produced high temperatures, with no visible flame!

I have induced weld fracture in steels though off center striking, that would have caused disunity of structure!

I have successful done sulfidication experiments, that show all you need is a chimney effect to crack and reduce sulfur (dry wall dust) with soot and co1 in the rising heated deoxidizing air stream!

I have induced several types of natural thermite- thermate reactions.

In the drop of the core model on lower core model I recorded a temperature of 2205C with
A laser thermometer, but since this was not backed up by a thermocouple measurement,
and since I saw no bright white flash from Aluminum oxidation I discounted it as a mistake!

I find Cters attempts at experiments laughable, I mean why make a simple thermite box
Cutter when a thermite oxygen cutter works so much better, quicker and faster?

Also a thermite Oxygen cutter matches the patent posted by Jones years ago!

I can draw up each experiment and they can easily be duplicated!
I know Nist is wrong about Aluminum oxidations in the collapses because they did no experiments on it, I am the only one who has.

So when Mr. Newman at Nist told me that Aluminum was to mixed with other compounds
to be reactive on 9/11 I laughed until my sides hurt, the more you divid and mix Aluminum
The more reactive it is.

To know Tony that living people were subjected to some of the things I have witnessed
has left me constantly depressed!

 

[funk de fino]

If only Tony could find his magical video where the perps admitted it he would be laughing......

 

[Bubba]

...and what if the missing jolt thing were valid?

What argument(s) would have to follow that ?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

...and what if the missing jolt thing were valid?

What argument(s) would have to follow that ?

There would have to be an investigation concerning people who had access to the interiors of the buildings. That has never been done even though there is serious evidence of explosions and charges from firefighters and video. Take a look at the northeast corner in this video from David Chandler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

There are charges going off on both sides of the corner right where the spandrel beams bolt to the corner chamfer. Separating the walls would remove orthogonal support and allow each wall to petal outward and downward much more easily when the floors pushed on them from the inside.

The denial that there were charges in the buildings and that there was no reason for a jolt in a natural collapse is surreal. Those denying these obvious things have to be considered suspect and of course is why most of them use pseudonyms.

 

[beachnut]

There would have to be an investigation concerning people who had access to the interiors of the buildings. That has never been done even though there is serious evidence of explosions and charges from firefighters and video. Take a look at the corner in this video from David Chandler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

The denial that there were charges in the buildings is surreal and those denying it have to be considered suspect and of course is why many of them use pseudonyms.

There was no CD, what charges are you talking about? Master Card, or Visa? Is your fantasy thermite? What did the engineers say at the BS presentation of woo about charges? Did they laugh? Who had access to the building is BS. No explosives were used, zero thermite was planted, and no inside job.

Who did the fantasy version of 911? Why can't any 911 truth "experts" explain who did it?

In the silly missing jolt paper, BS presented about velocity change. BS numbers are made up, hand waving, magic numbers. The velocity change would be ~2.2 feet per second... not the ridiculous values you pulled out of the BS world of woo known as 911 truth, which translate to 911 lies and assorted nonsense. ... the duration of the impacts to structural failure are near instant, not some made up interval based on the BS numbers.

There were no charges in the building. 19 terrorists are the sole murderers on 911; a fact you deny based on fantasy of CD.

Hard to imagine the BS you have for 77 and 93.

 

[Spanx]

The denial that there were charges in the buildings and that there was no reason for a jolt in a natural collapse is surreal.

I think if you found any evidence of explosives you just might have a chance of someone believing in you.

Unfortunately for you, you don't and you are left with a paranoid life where anyone who doesn't agree with you is a shill. Sad but true.

I will leave you wondering how much you think I got paid for writing the above.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Anyone who can look at the linked video below "North Tower Exploding", put together by David Chandler,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

and say there is no evidence of charges in the building should be viewed with suspicion. It is so obvious that denying it is surreal and one can only conclude that those who would deny it have an ulterior motive to do so, such as protection of the perpetrators.

 

[beachnut]

Anyone who can look at the linked video below "North Tower Exploding", put together by David Chandler,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

and say there is no evidence of charges in the building should be viewed with suspicion. It is so obvious that denying it is surreal and one can only conclude that those who would deny it have an ulterior motive to do so, such as protection of the perpetrators.

Wow, the silent explosives again?

There are no charges, and the collapse was all due to KE of the falling building. The energy released due to collapse was more than 115 tons of TNT, 115 2,000 pound bombs equal energy in both towers.

Thus David Chandler is making up BS based on nothing.
The David Chandler zero evidence, all failed opinions, BS video.

There are no explosions, it is all a gravity collapse. The ignorance is overwhelming in the video as David Chandler says he can see explosions... as he sees the release of PE and the results of KE impacts. Failure is 911 truth's only product.

 

[ozeco41]

...and what if the missing jolt thing were valid?

What argument(s) would have to follow that ?

It cannot be valid because the starting premise is impossible THEREFORE the "arguments to follow" can never arise.

The false starting premise has the Top Block falling through a gap which never existed.

That premise was an artifice used by Prof Z Bazant to demonstrate a worst possible scenario for the global collapse which followed. It was intended to show that the energy of the falling block was more than sufficient to crush the lower columns if they were all still in place. A worst case scenario. IF the falling Top Block "landed" on the lower tower with the column ends aligned. It never happened. Never could happen. It was an artifice to set up the starting parameters for the later stage of "global progression". It was never intended to explain the initiation and the Bazant paper is explicit on that point.

The actual global progression did not crush the columns - it sheared the floors and horizontal core beams off - the columns not directly involved.

But - back to the "Jolt That Never Could Be" - there is simply no way that the "falling to impact" assumption could occur - even if there had been CD which cut all the columns simultaneously.

What actually happened was that the "Top Block" started falling because columns failed in axial overload - each one that failed by that mechanism causing load to redistribute to the remaining surviving columns. They then failed in a rapidly cascading sequence. BUT each as it failed folded/bent/buckled - whatever - and that mechanism for each column independently ensured that the ends of that column were already bypassing - missing each other - as the top block moved down. No gap to fall through and by the time Top Block was falling all the column ends had already missed. And no need for Tony's other fantasy of the whole Top Block moving sideways - it didn't need to and it didn't happen. His logic about "tilting" is also arse about for reasons given earlier.

This is the WTC2 version - the arrows show how the perimeters are already missing each other left and right side:

 

[trustbutverify]

Anyone who can look at the linked video below "North Tower Exploding", put together by David Chandler,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

and say there is no evidence of charges in the building should be viewed with suspicion. It is so obvious that denying it is surreal and one can only conclude that those who would deny it have an ulterior motive to do so, such as protection of the perpetrators.

I've seen the video, and there is zero-point-zero evidence of explosive charges being involved in any way. I have no ulterior motive to protect anyone, but then again, I also have no emotional need to see things that aren't there to prop up some ridiculous secret-society conspiracy theory.

 

[DGM]

Anyone who can look at the linked video below "North Tower Exploding", put together by David Chandler,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

and say there is no evidence of charges in the building should be viewed with suspicion. It is so obvious that denying it is surreal and one can only conclude that those who would deny it have an ulterior motive to do so, such as protection of the perpetrators.

Wow Tony. 100 MPH ejections. How many orders of magnitude less then high explosives is that?

Why no sound with that video? Was the camera broken?

 

[Oystein]

There would have to be an investigation concerning people who had access to the interiors of the buildings. That has never been done even though there is serious evidence of explosions and charges from firefighters and video. Take a look at the northeast corner in this video from David Chandler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

There are charges going off on both sides of the corner right where the spandrel beams bolt to the corner chamfer. Separating the walls would remove orthogonal support and allow each wall to petal outward and downward much more easily when the floors pushed on them from the inside.

The denial that there were charges in the buildings and that there was no reason for a jolt in a natural collapse is surreal. Those denying these obvious things have to be considered suspect and of course is why most of them use pseudonyms.

Huh?

How does this even address Bubba's question of what the implications of "missing jolt" are? I am pretty sure he was asking not for the administrative / political / law enforcement aspect, but where the engineering argument would go from there:

...and what if the missing jolt thing were valid?

What argument(s) would have to follow that ?

Suppose from the premises of the "missing jolt" argument would in fact follow that measurable jolts would have to have occurred, and suppose no such jolts occurred.
Then it would follow that the premises of the paper are not true - but in what way are they not true?

And I believe the answer is "the untrue premise is that, in the real event, the major failure mode involved column-on-column impacts across the width of the tower during the time frame in question".

IOW: what ozeco has kept telling you for years and years and years and years.

 

[JSanderO]

There would have to be an investigation concerning people who had access to the interiors of the buildings. That has never been done even though there is serious evidence of explosions and charges from firefighters and video. Take a look at the northeast corner in this video from David Chandler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

There are charges going off on both sides of the corner right where the spandrel beams bolt to the corner chamfer. Separating the walls would remove orthogonal support and allow each wall to petal outward and downward much more easily when the floors pushed on them from the inside.

The denial that there were charges in the buildings and that there was no reason for a jolt in a natural collapse is surreal. Those denying these obvious things have to be considered suspect and of course is why most of them use pseudonyms.

How many of the core columns on floors 96-98 where encased on elevator shafts? That would be the ones which the fake Acme guys planted the bombs...

 

[Oystein]

#oysteinbookmark as I frequently refer other truthers to this opinion of Tony Szamboti - essentially: "freefall does NOT imply explosives on the WTC7 perimeter columns":

8 stories of free fall acceleration, that NIST never explained, can certainly be explained by taking out 8 stories of core columns. There is no need to put charges on the exterior columns. They will be pulled inward by the core and buckle with little resistance due to the loss of lateral support for 8 stories and the eccentricity caused by the inward pull. I have done the calculations for this and it would also replicate the observations where there is no deformation of the exterior up high like the NIST model shows.

...occasionally I see someone who actually makes sense here like Criteria...

Really?? Ouch...

 

[GlennB]

Anyone who can look at the linked video below "North Tower Exploding", put together by David Chandler,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

and say there is no evidence of charges in the building should be viewed with suspicion. It is so obvious that denying it is surreal and one can only conclude that those who would deny it have an ulterior motive to do so, such as protection of the perpetrators.

Anyone who believes WTC7's EMP was dropped early to prevent it "falling off the side" has no business commenting on engineering issues.

 

[BasqueArch]

Anyone who can look at the linked video below "North Tower Exploding", put together by David Chandler,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

and say there is no evidence of charges in the building should be viewed with suspicion. It is so obvious that denying it is surreal and one can only conclude that those who would deny it have an ulterior motive to do so, such as protection of the perpetrators.

These people are nuts and here are are the test results:

http://skepdic.com/truebeliever.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/insights-into-the-personalities-conspiracy-theorists/

http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2009/05/26/the-inner-worlds-of-conspiracy-believers

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886911001036

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/crazy...oward_a_cognitive_psychology_of_conspiracy_id

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Anyone who believes WTC7's EMP was dropped early to prevent it "falling off the side" has no business commenting on engineering issues.

Anyone who believes in Nano Thermite BS. Shouldn't be allowed to walk and chew bubble gum, let alone claim to be an engineer!

 

[Playing Games]

Anyone who can look at the linked video below "North Tower Exploding", put together by David Chandler,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

and say there is no evidence of charges in the building should be viewed with suspicion. It is so obvious that denying it is surreal and one can only conclude that those who would deny it have an ulterior motive to do so, such as protection of the perpetrators.

What evidence of charges? Due to the unusual tubular design the poofs/squibs seen during collapse was caused by compressed air.

Brilliant of Chandler to mute the sound of the tower coming down. For convenience sake it's a ploy to get folks to believe his lies. Ah yes, the made up hush a boom nanothermite.