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Er, "other innocents"? LOL
Continuation Part 19: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
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Er, "other innocents"? LOL
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Why would you say that? More precisely, how would you know? Meredith was having sex with the guy downstairs who didn't even hang out with her over the holidays and didn't take her to his village. He grew pot in his flat and even had her water them while he was back at home with his old friends. He described the relationship as most casual. To me he was not nearly as attractive as Rudi and certainly didn't have the same physical condition from the looks of it.
You have already established that people there didn't use phones but just dropped by.
Roger Levesque • 4 years ago
Cat burglar!? Can I get no respect!!!? Amanda is dressed up as me--Roger Levesque, soccer player for the Seattle Sounders FC.
BTW: Thank your for the compliment, Amanda. I know you are a great fan of soccer, and were so good on the field as a kid player your teammates thought you were as clever as a fox. ;-)
Or maybe more clever than a fox.
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Are you daft? His testimony gives no forensic evidence the phones were turned off. He basically says in prior days there was more activity later but of course they hadn't had a night where both weren't occupied and the next day was a holiday.
Stop with the cheap attacks. You prattle on about phones being turned off while the court you love so much states that no records exist of the phones being turned off.
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At that early stage, Bonassi was committed to spending time with his family at the Bank Holiday, big in Italy, remembering loved ones. It was probably too soon for Mez to be introduced to them. It's normal to ask a nearby friend/neighbour to water your plants whilst you are away. It was a normal burgeoning student relationship. Very different from shagging some guy at the door when you want to study history and have an early night.
My avatar is nothing to do with your doyenne and nothing to do with cleverness (or madness). It's the national animal of my home province. It's even in my passport pages, together with bears, elks, seals, swans and eagles.
Maybe guys are more easy going than gals, but I doubt Mez would have sex with a guy just because he's more attractive than the current one. Sure, students sleep around but it tends to be serial relationships, one at a time.
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Am I daft? I guess PIP's just can't help being impolite. I have no idea how police ascertained the phones were inactive with such precise timing. I am a bean counter and happy to trust other professional experts in their trade.
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I really don't care about Bonassi unless you are saying Meredith was sleeping with him, but that would against your current assertion. She was with Giacomo Silenzi. Silenzi made it clear that he and Meredith were not starting a long term relationship.
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OK, Giacomo. Never was much good at names. As I said, a typical student relationship.
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Why don't you produce the phone log and not a link to the PGP Wiki which btw doesn't have those phone logs nor does it have anything proving she tore pages out of her diary. I suppose that's another item the prosecution left out.
you wrote: However, police were able to pinpoint Amanda switched off her phone circa 8:42 and Raff's at 8:50 (=or rather, became 'inactive').
The 8:42 time is pinpointed because it is exactly when Raf's dad called - phone log you know. Nothing to do with phones being turned off.
Funny writing "police were able to pinpoint Amanda switched off her phone circa 8:42" pinpoint/circa
Heads up back there in the very last row. There is no mention in Massei other than ones that state NO LOG recorded a turn off time, hence why the expert could argue reception issues. MC doesn't pinpoint turn off times.
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Then why would you believe Rudy with his account of the rent-money, row escalation? That was told solely to excuse that he'd more than likely financed his flight to Germany with stolen rent money. The only time Rudy commented on the crime when he was unaware he was being recorded, he said that Amanda was not involved. Once he was part of the process - all of a sudden he tells the tale of Meredith letting him in (because they had a date), that the reason why his DNA was found inside her was because of consensual sex, and that Amanda and Mex scrapped over missing rent money. Also that he heard a commotion while on the loo, ran into Mez's room to see her bleeding, got towels from the bathroom.... then admits to fleeing without calling anyone.
What's not to believe about Rudy's tale? Nencini believed it, and formed his version of a motive for the killing around it - no prosecutor had ever brought that motive to court, so Nencini reached beyond everything in the court to invent his own scenario.
I can only quote Grinder, "are you daft?"
It wasn't the 'minder, and it wasn't "car face paint". He was a midfielder. It was a mustache, and the Seattle Sounders scarf around her neck kind'a gave it away. Millions of people worldwide recreate Hallowe'en annually. BTW - what is Hallowe'en the anniversary of in relation to this crime? Nothing.
The only reason we are "living in the past" is that people (like you just did) keep referring to this as Amanda dressing as a cat burglar.
I feel another Grinder-quote coming.
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Why don't you produce the phone log and not a link to the PGP Wiki which btw doesn't have those phone logs nor does it have anything proving she tore pages out of her diary. I suppose that's another item the prosecution left out.
you wrote: However, police were able to pinpoint Amanda switched off her phone circa 8:42 and Raff's at 8:50 (=or rather, became 'inactive').
The 8:42 time is pinpointed because it is exactly when Raf's dad called - phone log you know. Nothing to do with phones being turned off.
Funny writing "police were able to pinpoint Amanda switched off her phone circa 8:42" pinpoint/circa
Heads up back there in the very last row. There is no mention in Massei other than ones that state NO LOG recorded a turn off time, hence why the expert could argue reception issues. MC doesn't pinpoint turn off times.
That's incorrect. Raff had a chat with his Papa at 8.42. Senior police bod Marco Chiarecelli (sp???) pinpointed he switched it off (= rendered inactive) his phone at 8:50.
Your casually changing parameters indicates you are not really interested.
Your only concern is to cover up for the perps.
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No, I have never believed a word of Rudy's. However, like Raff and Amanda, there are moments of truth and half-truth, which most accomplished liars use to good effect: mix in small truths with your big lies.
Rudy had Amanda's back the same way Bruno & Marasca identified she covered for him (= official final judicial verdict).
I am sure Amanda will be very grateful your explaining away her cat burglar gear. Definitely cat whiskers. How ingenious of you to convert it into = beard.
Please can you declare your vested interest in covering up for the kids.
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Can you declare Roger Lesveque's interest in admitting he was the mustached soccer player?
Truly Vixen, before attacking the poster you should at least get facts straight. How do you explain the Seattle Sounder scarf?
What's your vested interest in misrepresenting basic facts?
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Well, I looked up a picture of him and he has a mustache and beard. . . .
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I'm confused over this talk of "perps" from Vixen. If she's referring to the person who attacked and murdered Meredith Kercher - Rudy Guede - it should be "perp" (singular). Obviously Vixen cannot be referring to Knox or Sollecito, since those two individuals have been acquitted by Italy's highest trial court, and they almost certainly had nothing whatsoever to do with the attack and murder of Meredith Kercher. Maybe somebody needs a little further education in this case....?
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I'm covering for the perps? That's a laugh.
You said the police pinpointed exact times when the phones were turned off. Then when it was definitively shown that there were no phone records available showing when the phones were turned off you changed the word to inactive.
From somewhere, most likely a PG site, you came up with two exact/circa times of 8:42 and 8:50 but the only mention of either time by one of your beloved courts that heard the evidence is that is when Papa called.
But you are correct that I don't think that their phones lack of activity means anything. The idea that if a call went unanswered it would be evidence against them is ridiculous. Not answering would make their alibi even more solid and if the location could be determined even better.
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Translation: "I don't believe anything Rudi said that might be exculpatory for the kids but do believe most all things he says that are against the kids"
I believe that would where they sum up the prosecution's idiotic case.
With a curly moustache and goatee beard drawn on her face, this is freed Amanda Knox as she heads to a Halloween party
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...niversary-Merediths-murder.html#ixzz3rZcFUQz8
Over to Bill
I deplore obviously innocent people being attacked by those who refuse to move beyond their biases.
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What is completely tiresome is the use of the word "vested". My own "vested" interest in this case is as you say.
There are some who wish to make strawman arguments about assumptions they make - assumptions built on assumptions - about PR-frims, and people in the employ of middle-level firms like Gogerty-Marriott, implying that anyone, anywhere who posts facts related to innocence....
..... well they must somehow have their faculties eroded, or at least compromised.
My view? People go down this "vested" interest them because they've run out of arguments. Indeed, this last time there's a poster here who wants to vilify a recently released, wrongfully imprisoned person for attending.... what was it?
Oh yes, a Hallowe'en party.
The claim was that she dressed as a cat burglar.... the claim being she was thumbing her nose at the victim by dressing that way on the anniversary of the victim's death.
What the "vested interest" in posting out, as Grinder did, that it was as a soccer player, Roger Levesque, and that Hallowe'en really is not an anniversary of anything in relation to any of this?
Oh, but, "I am sure Amanda will be very grateful your explaining away her cat burglar gear. Definitely cat whiskers. How ingenious of you to convert it into = beard." That's quite the ad hominem, Vixen, too bad none of it is true. It's what qualifies it also as a strawman.
Which is what happens when the arguer has nothing else. Impugn a motive to the other side.
Let me impugn a motive to you: what is your vested interest in being this way?
There are plenty.
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