Hillary Clinton is Done

[Mike!]

"This just in... The war on women rears its ugly face on the campaign trail and the candidate was silent.. followed it with maniacal laughter, while twirling an imaginary moustache." :|

FTFY

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

As Secretary of State, she proved that she could manage complex international relationships without alienating allies or antagonizing enemies.

As Senator from New York, she showed that she understood and was able to work with Republicans with whom she disagreed to create realistic compromises.

As First Lady, she showed that she had the manners and grace to engage the public while staying above the tabloid rumor-mongering - despite a very public airing of a rift in her marriage.

As one of Barack Obama's highest ranking aides, she showed that she understood and largely agreed with Obama's policy goals. As she is the only official of the Obama administration running for President, she is best able to continue his legacy.

As a graduate of Yale Law School, she has proven to have the intelligence and education to grasp complex subjects.

As an individual involved in politics since the Goldwater campaign, she has experienced every possible vicissitude of political life at every level from unpaid volunteer to candidate.

I really can't think of a Democrat in the country who is better suited for the job except for two, and both of them are constitutionally disqualified.

 

[Trakar]

As Secretary of State, she proved that she could manage complex international relationships without alienating allies or antagonizing enemies.

As Senator from New York, she showed that she understood and was able to work with Republicans with whom she disagreed to create realistic compromises.

As First Lady, she showed that she had the manners and grace to engage the public while staying above the tabloid rumor-mongering - despite a very public airing of a rift in her marriage.

As one of Barack Obama's highest ranking aides, she showed that she understood and largely agreed with Obama's policy goals. As she is the only official of the Obama administration running for President, she is best able to continue his legacy.

As a graduate of Yale Law School, she has proven to have the intelligence and education to grasp complex subjects.

As an individual involved in politics since the Goldwater campaign, she has experienced every possible vicissitude of political life at every level from unpaid volunteer to candidate.

I really can't think of a Democrat in the country who is better suited for the job except for two, and both of them are constitutionally disqualified.

Sounds like a reasonable establishment bureaucrat resume for an upper tier public service position, in the US government. I'm sure many on both sides of the political aisle could and would argue the verisimilitude of the qualifications you have laid out, but, aside from (despite the hyper-partisan rhetoric of the fringe right) what was generally an unremarkable tenure as Secretary of State, which apparently both Clinton and Obama felt better about after it was over, her resume would seem, to meet the minimal requirement level but nothing that I would qualify as making her "stand out," as a candidate for the presidency. I notice that you said nothing about her public policy positions, Which I placed first in my question for a reason.

 

[The Big Dog]

As Secretary of State, she proved that she could manage complex international relationships without alienating allies or antagonizing enemies.

As Senator from New York, she showed that she understood and was able to work with Republicans with whom she disagreed to create realistic compromises.

As First Lady, she showed that she had the manners and grace to engage the public while staying above the tabloid rumor-mongering - despite a very public airing of a rift in her marriage.

As one of Barack Obama's highest ranking aides, she showed that she understood and largely agreed with Obama's policy goals. As she is the only official of the Obama administration running for President, she is best able to continue his legacy.

As a graduate of Yale Law School, she has proven to have the intelligence and education to grasp complex subjects.

As an individual involved in politics since the Goldwater campaign, she has experienced every possible vicissitude of political life at every level from unpaid volunteer to candidate.

I really can't think of a Democrat in the country who is better suited for the job except for two, and both of them are constitutionally disqualified.

As Secretary of State she ran a bungled regime change strategy in the Middle East that has left Libya (among other places) an anarchic hell hole.

As senator from New York she voted for the Iraq war.

As First Lady, her husband humiliated her and she blathered on about a vast right wing conspiracy.

As obama's aide she embarrassed him and violated basic principles of transparency after running an incredibly racist campaign for president.

As a Yale law school, she failed the bar exam.

She's the third best candidate? Too bad, because she is utterly terrible.

 

[Loss Leader]

<hatred for Hillary Clinton deleted>

The question was asked of Democrats why we might think she's the best Democratic candidate. Can you name a Democrat whom you would vote for?

 

[NoahFence]

Like all true republicans™, avid readers know it's not polite to ask who some are for, for all their energy is spent blathering about who their against.

 

[The Big Dog]

The question was asked of Democrats why we might think she's the best Democratic candidate. Can you name a Democrat whom you would vote for?

that is not true, and your characterization of my post was untrue.

By the way, changing the text of my post because you cannot rebut the substance is rather frowned on around here, see that you do not do it again.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

that is not true, and your characterization of my post was untrue.

By the way, changing the text of my post because you cannot rebut the substance is rather frowned on around here, see that you do not do it again.

But dodging the question is a tried and true pastime.

 

[thaiboxerken]

It's going to be awesome when Hillary wins.

 

[The Big Dog]

As Secretary of State, she proved that she could manage complex international relationships without alienating allies or antagonizing enemies.

as a follow up to this ridiculous claim, lets take a look at how she handled Libya, and how she thirsted for credit for it, until it was proven to be a world class screw up at which point she blamed Obama.

Hillary's monumental screw ups in Libya

The facts just show so much hatred to Hillary.

 

[plague311]

Take it up with the mods, I have received a yellow card for doing exactly what he did. Thanks for your concern, tho.

any comments about the fact that Yale Law Grad Hillary failed the DC Bar? Anyone?

or are we just going to change the actual text of my post, because that is a thing that happens here now?

Average pass rate of the Bar Exam 76.5 %

States Ranked by Passing Rate Passing Rate
Washington DC 46 %

What would you like to talk about? It appears that she failed a test that 25% of people fail, and she did it in a state where more than 50% of the people fail. Care to explain to me why this is as relevant as you think it is? Did you even bother to look any of this up before making it a talking point?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

What would you like to talk about? It appears that she failed a test that 25% of people fail, and she did it in a state where more than 50% of the people fail. Care to explain to me why this is as relevant as you think it is? Did you even bother to look any of this up before making it a talking point?

More to the point ... failing a test that is intended to be difficult, more than 30 years ago, is relevant to a presidential bid ... how exactly ?

 

[Cavemonster]

[SNIP]

any comments about the fact that Yale Law Grad Hillary failed the DC Bar? Anyone?

or are we just going to change the actual text of my post, because that is a thing that happens here now?

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As for the bar, It can be counted as a failure, but a substantial number of lawyers fail the bar on their first time. I don't think it shows that she is a bad lawyer or that her time as a law student was without value and excellence. Considering that she became the first female full partner in one of the largest law firms in the state only a handful of years later, I'd hesitate to consider her initial failure 40 years ago a measure of her skill, knowledge or success in general at that period or in that venue.

She's in fairly good company. FDR failed the bar, as did several governors, many prominent lawyers, at least one supreme court justice and a former dean of Stanford Law School.

 

[thaiboxerken]

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As for the bar, It can be counted as a failure, but a substantial number of lawyers fail the bar on their first time. I don't think it shows that she is a bad lawyer or that her time as a law student was without value and excellence. Considering that she became the first female full partner in one of the largest law firms in the state only a handful of years later, I'd hesitate to consider her initial failure 40 years ago a measure of her skill, knowledge or success in general at that period or in that venue.

She's in fairly good company. FDR failed the bar, as did several governors, many prominent lawyers, at least one supreme court justice and a former dean of Stanford Law School.

You did exactly what the echo chamber of the right does not. You considered the context....

 

[C_Felix]

some stuff

any comments about the fact that Yale Law Grad Hillary failed the DC Bar? Anyone?

some more stuff

I went back to page 30 and searched for the word "Bar".

Nothing about any bar exams in those pages.

Yet, you ask for comments as if it has been discussed or at least brought up and ignored; or if it has some massive implications...

Why drop this fact all of a sudden? Out of nowhere?

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[Grizzly Bear]

any comments about the fact that Yale Law Grad Hillary failed the DC Bar? Anyone?

But passed the Arkansas one. There could have been other factors in her failing the DC one but nothing I've read to be note worthy for the present. And as a not-Hillary supporter, I think it's fair to note that the red is an appeal to authority variation considering that her education at Yale was not an explicit guarantee that she'd pass on it's own.

Either way, it's 30 years ago. It's not factoring into my vote (which is for Rubio unless he drops out of the Republican field) unless that has present-day implications... otherwise, I'm for dealing with the tangible recent stuff that carries her qualifications for POTUS. People - like it or not - can and do change in the time span we're dealing with on her bar exam so I think comparisons based on that specific thing are going to be limited.

 

[Dr. Keith]

any comments about the fact that Yale Law Grad Hillary failed the DC Bar? Anyone?

What would you like to talk about? It appears that she failed a test that 25% of people fail, and she did it in a state where more than 50% of the people fail. Care to explain to me why this is as relevant as you think it is? Did you even bother to look any of this up before making it a talking point?

Edited to more clearly reflect that the test is different in each state. I don't think you were implying otherwise, but the impression could be taken.

Another thing to note is that she was working in Massachusetts, not DC. So, passing the DC bar was not "mission critical" to her career. If she had gotten a job with a firm in DC then she likely would have retaken it and passed, but since she never worked as an attorney in DC it was never a bar she needed. Just one she took.

I've never understood attorneys who take multiple bar exams.

 

[The Big Dog]

As a graduate of Yale Law School, she has proven to have the intelligence and education to grasp complex subjects.

As a Yale law school (grad), she failed the bar exam.

I think it's fair to note that the red is an appeal to authority variation considering that her education at Yale was not an explicit guarantee that she'd pass on it's own.

Loss Leader claimed how wonderful Hillary was because she got through Yale Law School, I thought it was only fair that I point out that she failed the bar in DC.

I went back to page 30 and searched for the word "Bar".

Nothing about any bar exams in those pages.

Yet, you ask for comments as if it has been discussed or at least brought up and ignored; or if it has some massive implications...

Why drop this fact all of a sudden? Out of nowhere?

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Removed Rule 12/0 violation

Ok, solid research skills tho.

 

[sunmaster14]

Edited to more clearly reflect that the test is different in each state. I don't think you were implying otherwise, but the impression could be taken.

Another thing to note is that she was working in Massachusetts, not DC. So, passing the DC bar was not "mission critical" to her career. If she had gotten a job with a firm in DC then she likely would have retaken it and passed, but since she never worked as an attorney in DC it was never a bar she needed. Just one she took.

It was mission critical. She wanted to be a lawyer in DC. In fact, it's quite possible she wouldn't have joined Bill in Arkansas and married him if she had passed the bar in DC.

I've never understood attorneys who take multiple bar exams.

Well, they're required to be admitted to the bar of the state in which they practice law, and many state bars do require you to pass their exam in order to be admitted (especially if you've been practicing law for less than 5 years). DC is a particularly useful bar (DC counts as a state for this purpose) to be admitted to, actually, since certain kinds of litigation involving the federal government has to go through DC courts.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Loss Leader claimed how wonderful Hillary was because she got through Yale Law School, I thought it was only fair that I point out that she failed the bar in DC.

Wasn't the only justification provided nor was it statistically significant enough to discuss in such depth IMO. Just saying.