Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Grinder said:
And we had a PIP here that was am anti Semite Holocaust denier. Briars I recall mostly for the dog barking sound traveling assertion but hell a leading Repubo is a creationist. :eek: I don't recall Mach's HIV position but generally he didn't seem to have crazy positions. If you have his HIV position handy please send it to me or post it.

The PGP seem mostly odd generally in thinking most all convictions must be correct and specifically in this case unable to see the most obvious errors made by the prosecution.

Now of couse the PGP have a list of what is wrong generally with those that believe she should have been found not guilty. :p
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Grinder said:
Google it. Easy to find
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Ok, let me see if I'm following this conversation. You ask me my opinion of something. I've never heard of it. I ask (as respectfully as I could muster under the circumstances) where it can be found.

You say, "Google it." So my answer to wind up this convo is, no. It seems to interest you more than me. I've never heard of it. I guess this is where that sub-topic stops.

Why not tell me what YOU think of it - it will be a far shorter conversation than is presently developing.

Hoots!

BTW - what are the two things you find correct in the, "list of what is wrong generally with those that believe she should have been found not guilty."

Otherwise this is the reason why this thread needs another two week hiatus!
 
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It seems a bit odd to write an article about the dead on essentially the anniversary of the murder she was accused of committing. It wouldn't have been my first choice of topics to write about. But I suppose spending 4 years in prison then being followed around by paparazzi can leave its mark on you as well.
 
bagels said:
It seems a bit odd to write an article about the dead on essentially the anniversary of the murder she was accused of committing. It wouldn't have been my first choice of topics to write about. But I suppose spending 4 years in prison then being followed around by paparazzi can leave its mark on you as well.
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There is no question that a mark would highly likely be left. There were many bits in there I found odd including the vignette about the man wearing the vampire outfit.

While she has every right to write whatever she wants, I question why the people around her including the paper's editor wouldn't have counseled against publishing it.
 
Grinder said:
The PGP seem mostly odd generally in thinking most all convictions must be correct and specifically in this case unable to see the most obvious errors made by the prosecution.
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But I've noticed this isn't always the case. I seem to remember contention on one of the PMFs over the Oscar Pistorius trial. And more recently, of the PGP I've seen express an opinion about the case made famous in the Serial podcast, in both instances it has been if not against the prosecution, at least sympathetic to the defense. I still think the unifying factor is a hatred for Amanda, hatred formed by individual reasons that might be different for each of them, but unites them into requiring the prosecution against her to be correct.

What I'm looking for is a dispassionate view of the case, the victim, etc, but still coming down on the side of the prosecution. I'm sure they all claim that, but when every single reconstructive theory without fail ends with Amanda delivering the fatal blow, despite not even the prosecution's evidence corroborating this, it seems obvious that this isn't happening.
 
Grinder said:
There is no question that a mark would highly likely be left. There were many bits in there I found odd including the vignette about the man wearing the vampire outfit.

While she has every right to write whatever she wants, I question why the people around her including the paper's editor wouldn't have counseled against publishing it.
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Oh THAT piece. Why be coy?

It's probably only in the USA that Nov 1st has no significance. For people in traditionally Catholic countries, Nov 1st is the day of remembrance of the dead. No one in Italy (or in Mexico) would find what Amanda wrote strange at all.

"The holiday focuses on gatherings of family and friends to pray for and remember friends and family members who have died, and help support their spiritual journey. In 2008 the tradition was inscribed in the Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity by UNESCO."​

There is no question, other than for people who have no reason to celebrate All Saints Day.
 
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Oh THAT piece. Why be coy?

It's probably only in the USA that Nov 1st has no significance. For people in traditionally Catholic countries, Nov 1st is the day of remembrance of the dead. No one in Italy (or in Mexico) would find what Amanda wrote strange at all.

"The holiday focuses on gatherings of family and friends to pray for and remember friends and family members who have died, and help support their spiritual journey. In 2008 the tradition was inscribed in the Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity by UNESCO."​

There is no question, other than for people who have no reason to celebrate All Saints Day.
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I thought using the title of the story was less than coy.
 
bagels said:
But I've noticed this isn't always the case. I seem to remember contention on one of the PMFs over the Oscar Pistorius trial. And more recently, of the PGP I've seen express an opinion about the case made famous in the Serial podcast, in both instances it has been if not against the prosecution, at least sympathetic to the defense. I still think the unifying factor is a hatred for Amanda, hatred formed by individual reasons that might be different for each of them, but unites them into requiring the prosecution against her to be correct.
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I agree that many 'Guilters' are motivated by hatred towards Amanda for a variety of reasons, such as basic misogyny, to even anti-Americanism since for many 'Guilters' Amanda represents all that's wrong with Americans.

Other fervent 'Guilters' simply believe all the untrue hype about this case which they read in the press early on, especially in the UK and Italian media accounts which had published (now) obvious nonsense leaked to them by the Italian police & prosecutors, which essentially had painted Amanda as an over-sexed lying evil (typical upper-class American) witch.

bagels said:
What I'm looking for is a dispassionate view of the case, the victim, etc, but still coming down on the side of the prosecution. I'm sure they all claim that, but when every single reconstructive theory without fail ends with Amanda delivering the fatal blow, despite not even the prosecution's evidence corroborating this, it seems obvious that this isn't happening.
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As you say, there never was any actual evidence to support the prosecution's sex-game theories. Also, there's zero credible evidence that Amanda was any place other than Raffaele's apartment the night Guede murdered Meredith.
 
from Vogt - On the other side, one jejune Italian armchair detective named Gabriele Belcastro is preparing to take his online obsession into the courts, by lodging a formal complaint with Florence prosecutors, alleging wide-ranging corruption and fraud in the Meredith Kercher case. News flash: There are few new revelations in this complaint, which is little more than a speculative rehashing of data already in the public dominion. By dragging the case yet again before the courts, some show they can’t stop picking at the scab of this very painful wound, which will only worsen the scar.

I wonder if this guy posts in English.
 
Grinder said:
from Vogt - On the other side, one jejune Italian armchair detective named Gabriele Belcastro is preparing to take his online obsession into the courts, by lodging a formal complaint with Florence prosecutors, alleging wide-ranging corruption and fraud in the Meredith Kercher case. News flash: There are few new revelations in this complaint, which is little more than a speculative rehashing of data already in the public dominion. By dragging the case yet again before the courts, some show they can’t stop picking at the scab of this very painful wound, which will only worsen the scar.

I wonder if this guy posts in English.
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LOL!
 
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