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Presidential Primaries 2016

Now The Donald is threatening to boycott the CNBC debate unless they change the format.
CNBC will probably cave...Trump means ratings... and the CNBC format did not seem very good but threatening the boycott does not make him look very good.
But his supporters love it. I think it become frightningly clear that many of the Trump supporters want a dictator who will make all the decisions for them. When enough of the people feel this way, a democracy dies. Scary.
 
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/
Neat site I ran across... for anyone that wants to take pot shots at the candidates over campaign financing...

Hillary:
Morgan & Morgan $274,767
Sullivan & Cromwell $148,100
Akin, Gump et al $125,598
Yale University $95,434
Latham & Watkins $94,580
Morgan Stanley $90,799
Creative Artists Agency $88,501
Time Warner $87,835
University of California $80,754
JPMorgan Chase & Co $75,537
Munger, Tolles & Olson $72,850
DLA Piper $72,500
Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett $69,550
Centene Corp $67,150
Skadden, Arps et al $62,650
Harvard University $61,080
Paul, Weiss et al $60,500
Wilmerhale Llp $59,250
Google Inc $58,021
Blackstone Group $57,700

Bernie Sanders:
Google Inc $14,652
Quilceda Creek Vintners $10,000
University of California $9,000
National Education Assn $6,392
University of Illinois $5,760
Federal Coal Co $5,500
Santa Monica Art Studios $5,400
Microsoft Corp $5,080
Dartmouth College $4,242
Pacific Gourmet $4,000
Coldwell Banker Real Estate $4,000
Merrill Lynch $3,700
Boeing Co $3,450
Amazon.com $3,317
Columbia University $3,293
United Parcel Service $3,202
US Postal Service $3,179
Promed Capital $3,000
Clinical Radiologists SC $3,000
Apple Inc $2,906

Jeb Bush
Goldman Sachs $161,100
Neuberger Berman LLC $65,800
Bank of America $43,750
Citigroup Inc $41,500
Tenet Healthcare $35,900
Rooney Holdings $35,100
Jeb 2016 (Employees) $34,010
Barclays $29,700
CSX Corp $29,700
DLA Piper $28,500
Southern Strategy $27,800
NextEra Energy $27,600
Dannenbaum Engineering $27,000
Hunt Companies $24,300
Fidelity National Information Services $24,300
Manchester Financial Group $24,300
Credit Suisse Group $22,700
Morgan Stanley $22,200
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $22,100
Guggenheim Partners $21,600
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Just to name a few.... You can check out the stats for different candidates. I'll probably reference it whenever it makes sense to...
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/
Neat site I ran across... for anyone that wants to take pot shots at the candidates over campaign financing...
quote:
Hillary:
Morgan & Morgan $274,767
Sullivan & Cromwell $148,100
Akin, Gump et al $125,598
Yale University $95,434
Latham & Watkins $94,580
Morgan Stanley $90,799
Creative Artists Agency $88,501
Time Warner $87,835University of California $80,754
JPMorgan Chase & Co $75,537
Munger, Tolles & Olson $72,850
DLA Piper $72,500
Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett $69,550
Centene Corp $67,150
Skadden, Arps et al $62,650
Harvard University $61,080
Paul, Weiss et al $60,500
Wilmerhale Llp $59,250
Google Inc $58,021
Blackstone Group $57,700

Bernie Sanders:
Google Inc $14,652
Quilceda Creek Vintners $10,000
University of California $9,000
National Education Assn $6,392
University of Illinois $5,760
Federal Coal Co $5,500
Santa Monica Art Studios $5,400
Microsoft Corp $5,080
Dartmouth College $4,242
Pacific Gourmet $4,000
Coldwell Banker Real Estate $4,000
Merrill Lynch $3,700
Boeing Co $3,450
Amazon.com $3,317
Columbia University $3,293
United Parcel Service $3,202
US Postal Service $3,179
Promed Capital $3,000
Clinical Radiologists SC $3,000
Apple Inc $2,906

Jeb Bush
Goldman Sachs $161,100
Neuberger Berman LLC $65,800
Bank of America $43,750
Citigroup Inc $41,500
Tenet Healthcare $35,900
Rooney Holdings $35,100
Jeb 2016 (Employees) $34,010
Barclays $29,700
CSX Corp $29,700
DLA Piper $28,500
Southern Strategy $27,800
NextEra Energy $27,600
Dannenbaum Engineering $27,000
Hunt Companies $24,300
Fidelity National Information Services $24,300
Manchester Financial Group $24,300
Credit Suisse Group $22,700
Morgan Stanley $22,200
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $22,100
Guggenheim Partners $21,600
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Just to name a few.... You can check out the stats for different candidates. I'll probably reference it whenever it makes sense to...
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Hmmmmmmm... Who do they own? CNN maybe?
 
Mike! said:
Hmmmmmmm... Who do they own? CNN maybe?
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If CNN is pro-Clinton you sure don't see it in their programming except for this single post-debate FaceBook kerfuffle.

I think you should wait for more evidence than a bunch of Bernie CTers on FB.
 
dudalb said:
Now The Donald is threatening to boycott the CNBC debate unless they change the format.
CNBC will probably cave...Trump means ratings... and the CNBC format did not seem very good but threatening the boycott does not make him look very good.
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Alternatively, Trump has a setup for quitting the campaign: Waa! Waa! They won't treat me fairly. The system is rigged. I quit!
 
Mike! said:
Hmmmmmmm... Who do they own? CNN maybe?
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Stuff like this is why I kind of lose sympathy over the "big wall street lobbyists" line of argument. Bush's donors make him a poster child of the Democrat argument that Republicans are big business folks, and then these candidates come along and are carbon copies on the reliance on them for campaign financing. Even Sanders falls into this category a little bit...
 
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SezMe said:
Alternatively, Trump has a setup for quitting the campaign: Waa! Waa! They won't treat me fairly. The system is rigged. I quit!
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CNBC folded like a cheap suit. My respect for them is now zero.
But I agree that is what Trump's exit line is going to be when he collapses. To be followed a few days later by an announcement he is running as a independent candidate because "the people" want him to.
Anybody who thinks that DOnald's pledge not to do so is worth anything is an idiot.
 
dudalb said:
CNBC folded like a cheap suit. My respect for them is now zero.
But I agree that is what Trump's exit line is going to be when he collapses. To be followed a few days later by an announcement he is running as a independent candidate because "the people" want him to.
Anybody who thinks that DOnald's pledge not to do so is worth anything is an idiot.
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OK, but did you actually lose any respect for CNBC by lowering it to zero? I don't know, but to me it makes sense to give candidates the opening statement, at least, though the closing statement ain't high on my list.

No, the worst thing about this whole incident is that Trump is going to stand up there and brag about making CNBC fold like a cheap suit because he is just the mostest awesomest everest.
 
H'ethetheth said:
He got $4000 from Merill Lynch.

:D

ETA: Probably fell out of someone's pocket there.
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again, the companies or people within the companies, if the latter, what was the size of the donations? ...I'd think most of Sanders' donors can do so again, the vast majority, multiple times again.
 
Trakar said:
The companies or individuals within the companies?
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The money came from the organizations' PACs; their individual members, employees or owners; and those individuals' immediate families. At the federal level, the organizations themselves did not donate, as they are prohibited by law from doing so. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
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^^From the bottom of the profile
I had a second look earlier after you responded the first time - hence mentioning the lower numbers. Hillary far outpaces him on donations
 
Grizzly Bear said:
^^From the bottom of the profile
I had a second look earlier after you responded the first time - hence mentioning the lower numbers. Hillary far outpaces him on donations
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In non PAC money they aren't far apart.

Given the fact that he doesn't coordinate with any PACs, I fully expect that he will never compete well in terms of PAC money, and I'd be unlikely to support him as eagerly if he did.
 
hgc said:
OK, but did you actually lose any respect for CNBC by lowering it to zero? I don't know, but to me it makes sense to give candidates the opening statement, at least, though the closing statement ain't high on my list.

No, the worst thing about this whole incident is that Trump is going to stand up there and brag about making CNBC fold like a cheap suit because he is just the mostest awesomest everest.
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I agree the CNBC format was lousy, but, still,it's looks as if they caved in to Trump. And CNN and FOX news are not being shy about making CNBC look bad in this.

I repeat what I said in another thread:Give the debates back to the League of Women Voters. The Debate Commision has been a disaster, and the idea of letting the Networks sponsor the debates has been a double disaster since all the networks care about is ratings.
 
dudalb said:
I agree the CNBC format was lousy, but, still,it's looks as if they caved in to Trump. And CNN and FOX news are not being shy about making CNBC look bad in this.

I repeat what I said in another thread:Give the debates back to the League of Women Voters. The Debate Commision has been a disaster, and the idea of letting the Networks sponsor the debates has been a double disaster since all the networks care about is ratings.
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I'm a little lost here. The debates we're talking about today are intra-Party affairs. I know the League of Women Voters did, and the Debate Commission now does, manage the Presidential and Vice President debates for the general election, but I don't recall them ever being involved in these Primary-season debates, candidate forums, or what have you.

In a sense, these debates really depend on the candidates themselves and their collective and individual willingness to abide by anyone's authority. There's no inherent power in the RNC and DNC to determine debates. Candidates are free to accept any invitation to take the stage with other candidates and duke it out. I am actually surprised that the RNC chair Reince Priebus is able to carry through on his determination to limit the GOP debate schedule. If anything, I would have thought that this ridiculously unruly batch of candidates would have stepped all over him by now, but it seems that sometimes herding cats is easier than cats forming up on their own in organized action.
 
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