Corbyn did win, what's next?

Craig B said:
It's because Scotland is a "fringe" country in the minds of UK imperialists.
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You don't need to say that. The reason is that Scotland is only about 8% of the UK total population, which is a critically important 8% to those who live there, but not so much for the rest of us. That it is less important to those of us 700 miles away doesn't make us imperialists.
 
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MikeG said:
You don't need to say that. The reason is that Scotland is only about 8% of the UK total population, which is a critically important 8% to those who live there, but not so much for the rest of us. That it is less important to those of us 700 miles away doesn't make us imperialists.
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If the governing party here, which has inflicted an utterly unprecedented defeat on its rivals, with swings never before seen in the days of universal suffrage, is to be regarded as a "fringe" of UK parties because Scotland is a small country, then the union is endangered. A Scottish political party, dominant in Scotland, is evaluated as if it was part of an homogenous UK political structure - necessarily a small, and therefore "less important" part.

I need hardly state that such evaluations do little to strengthen the union of the countries that constitute the UK.
 
Craig B said:
If the governing party here, which has inflicted an utterly unprecedented defeat on its rivals, with swings never before seen in the days of universal suffrage, is to be regarded as a "fringe" of UK parties because Scotland is a small country, then the union is endangered. A Scottish political party, dominant in Scotland, is evaluated as if it was part of an homogenous UK political structure - necessarily a small, and therefore "less important" part.



I need hardly state that such evaluations do little to strengthen the union of the countries that constitute the UK.
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It's the Scottish Referendum thread again.
Your friend disappeared after the results were in.
The persecution complex gets tiring in the face of reality.
 
ComfySlippers said:
It's the Scottish Referendum thread again.
Your friend disappeared after the results were in.
The persecution complex gets tiring in the face of reality.
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The comment that started the reference was
Giz said:
Comparing single issue fringe parties with a (previously ) responsible, potential government in waiting.
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. The SNP is not a single issue fringe party. And this comment too.
Giz said:
Stood in 8% of the nation's areas and won 50% of the votes in that little bit. Sounds kinda niche.
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Now if that doesn't sound kinda imperialist, I don't know what does.
 
Craig B said:
The comment that started the reference was. The SNP is not a single issue fringe party. And this comment too.Now if that doesn't sound kinda imperialist, I don't know what does.
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Imperialist? It's one nation!

I have a friend whose father is a staunch advocate of Cornish separatism. Think that's silly secessionist shenanigans too. These efforts are just tribal chest thumping, winding up ethnic tensions within the nation.
 
Craig B said:
The comment that started the reference was. The SNP is not a single issue fringe party. And this comment too.Now if that doesn't sound kinda imperialist, I don't know what does.
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Unless you are talking about Mint Imperials, which I'm fond of, the Imperialist nonsense is simply you trying to internally justify your anti-English views.

The SNP is a one horse pony. Mr Salmond made no secret of his personal agenda.

The Scots voted, in the general, from their hearts. An admirable quality. One that, imho, reflected the thoughts of the general populace. i.e. "We've had enough". Call it "The Corbyn Effect" if you like.

As an English person who lived in Scotland for over ten years I am happy to say that, despite disagreeing with your opinions, I respect your right to voice them.
See.. I'm not persecuting you even though I'm a low life Sassenach ;)

ETA: I have no idea what a one horse pony is.
 
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ComfySlippers said:
Unless you are talking about Mint Imperials, which I'm fond of, the Imperialist nonsense is simply you trying to internally justify your anti-English views.

The SNP is a one horse pony. Mr Salmond made no secret of his personal agenda.

The Scots voted, in the general, from their hearts. An admirable quality. One that, imho, reflected the thoughts of the general populace. i.e. "We've had enough". Call it "The Corbyn Effect" if you like.

As an English person who lived in Scotland for over ten years I am happy to say that, despite disagreeing with your opinions, I respect your right to voice them.
See.. I'm not persecuting you even though I'm a low life Sassenach ;)

ETA: I have no idea what a one horse pony is.
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I don't have any anti-English views. I have said nothing about the English. Are you saying the union is "English"? You are a newly-"minted imperialist", if that's your view. But, hey, what's this? Dreary deary me!
Giz said:
Imperialist? It's one nation!

I have a friend whose father is a staunch advocate of Cornish separatism. Think that's silly secessionist shenanigans too. These efforts are just tribal chest thumping, winding up ethnic tensions within the nation.
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I see. We're not doing too well, dispelling the "imperialism" accusation, are we?
 
Craig B said:
I don't have any anti-English views. I have said nothing about the English. Are you saying the union is "English"? You are a newly-"minted imperialist", if that's your view. But, hey, what's this? Dreary deary me! I see. We're not doing too well, dispelling the "imperialism" accusation, are we?
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You are putting words in my mouth.
Yes, I am English. Sorry for that. I'm also British and a citizen of The UK.
I'll call myself Welsh or Spanish if thats more palatable for you.
I truly couldn't give a flying monkey.
Call me a tomato or a mushroom.
Sticks and stones.

Re-read your above quoted post.
 
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ComfySlippers said:
You are putting words in my mouth.
Yes, I am English. Sorry for that. I'm also British and a citizen of The UK.
I'll call myself Welsh or Spanish if thats more palatable for you.
I truly couldn't give a flying monkey.
Call me a tomato or a mushroom.
Sticks and stones.

Reread your above quoted post.
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I don't understand that post. You wrote that I was trying to "justify your anti-English views". I have no anti-English views. Opposition to the Union is not "anti English". And you have no cause to be sorry for being English.

So if you want to be English or a mushroom, that's fine.

But the point remains that the politics of Scotland isn't "fringe". Don't we have Cameron telling us how tremendously important we are, and "vowing" us all manner of things? I hope he wasn't telling us horrid fibs just to win a No vote.
 
Craig B said:
I don't understand that post. You Wrote that I was trying to "justify your anti-English views". I have no anti English views. Opposition to the Union is not "anti English". And you have no cause to be sorry for being English.



So if you want to be English or a mushroom, that's fine.



But the point remains that the politics of Scotland isn't "fringe". Don't we have Cameron telling us how tremendously important we are, and "vowing" us all manner of things? I hope he wasn't telling us horrid fibs just to win a No vote.
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I'm in no mind to drag up your posts from the Referendum thread. You made it very clear and vocal, along with your friend, that you have a very stereotypical anti-England view.

I don't like to piss on people's Cornflakes, and I never used the word "fringe", but a previous poster made a good summary.
big land mass, lots of sheep.
Racism runs rampant.
Because.... A few hundred years ago there was a minor skirmish.

I'd like my money back for financing Shellfish.
I'd like my money back for financing Scotland's free subscriptions, which i pay and subsidise for in your Salmond Utopia.
I'd like a refund for paying for a Bridge I don't use.

I must be "an imperialist" because my money subsidises your life.
And I get no benefit.

The next time you pop into the Chemist I suggest you stand up for your values, give a prayer to Alex and demand to hand over 9 quid whilst thinking about the evil English who paid for your tablets.
 
Giz said:
Imperialist? It's one nation!

I have a friend whose father is a staunch advocate of Cornish separatism. Think that's silly secessionist shenanigans too. These efforts are just tribal chest thumping, winding up ethnic tensions within the nation.
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No, it's one state, The United Kingdom, made up of 3 nations, England, Scotland and Wales, plus most of the province of Ulster.
 
Damien Evans said:
No, it's one state, The United Kingdom, made up of 3 nations, England, Scotland and Wales, plus most of the province of Ulster.
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I don't want to be pedantic. Actually I do, history is not CBs strong point .
A very typical POV for people who are determined to pretend that "the man" is oppressing them.



Ahem.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Great Britain consists of England, Wales and Scotland.
Should anyone want to invoke childish arguments I refer The Right Honourable Forumites to the contents of my right bum pocket.
 
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ComfySlippers said:
I don't want to be pedantic. Actually I do, history is not CBs strong point .
A very typical POV for people who are determined to pretend that "the man" is oppressing them.



Ahem.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Great Britain consists of England, Wales and Scotland.
Should anyone want to invoke childish arguments I refer The Right Honourable Forumites to the contents of my right bum pocket.
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That's the same as I said, but in a lot more words. In any case I was replying to Giz, not CraigB.
 
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