Corbyn did win, what's next?

The Atheist said:
Isn't his "support for homeopathy" a little overdone?

It seems to be based on a single tweet 5 years ago and isn't that controversial, unless I'm missing something. He is pro science and not Prince Charles.
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This seems to me to be a genuine problem, anything that can be presented in a bad light that he has expressed so much as a willingness to look into further is being presented as though it's a central plank of his platform and in it's most extreme form.
 
MikeG said:
So, apart from it being the very last card to play in the event of an absolute financial emergency, is there anything that supports Corbyn's notion of doing just to increase capital spending, irrespective of the state of the economy?
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The author of the piece certainly suggests a good reason for doing it, and that is...

But he is right that investment levels in Britain are woefully low by the standards of OECD peers, an underlying cause of our chronic account deficit, now the worst in the developed world at 6pc of GDP.

If the private sector will not rise to the challenge, it is up to the state to take on the responsibility, a duty advocated by none other than Adam Smith.

And his instincts on monetary policy are essentially correct. QE as we know it is dead. It is an urgent national imperative to craft a radically new form before the next crisis hits.
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uk_dave said:
As they said on Daily Politics, if he is going to be polite and less adversarial than previously, he runs the risk of not actually holding the PM to account
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If being polite is considered a weakness then that is truly an indictment of our ruling class.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
This seems to me to be a genuine problem, anything that can be presented in a bad light that he has expressed so much as a willingness to look into further is being presented as though it's a central plank of his platform and in it's most extreme form.
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Another rationalisation for his support for homeopathy. A cursory five minutes of research will show homeopathy to be utter crap. "Look into further"? Akin to "Just asking questions". Corbyn is a quack enabler.
 
lionking said:
Another rationalisation for his support for homeopathy. A cursory five minutes of research will show homeopathy to be utter crap. "Look into further"? Akin to "Just asking questions". Corbyn is a quack enabler.
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So looking at evidence and educating himself on the subject is bad? he should just do as you want because you don't like it?
 
lionking said:
Another rationalisation for his support for homeopathy. A cursory five minutes of research will show homeopathy to be utter crap. "Look into further"? Akin to "Just asking questions". Corbyn is a quack enabler.
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Homoeopathy most certainly is quackery, so maybe there is something we can do about this.

If someone believes in X there is no necessary reason why they cannot be persuaded not to believe in X.

Jeremy Hunt, for example, also gave homoeopathy the benefit of the doubt when he was Health Secretary, and has since decided it is not evidence-based medicine. But I think it is still available on the NHS.

As Darat and other Labour supporters and members have been asked by Jeremy Corbyn to submit questions for his PMQs, why not ask him to reconsider his position on homoeopathy and have him ask Cameron when it will no longer be available on the NHS?

That sounds like the type of thing rational skeptics might do if they were keen to get involved in lobbying government. ;)
 
P.J. Denyer said:
If being polite is considered a weakness then that is truly an indictment of our ruling class.
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Oh you can be polite and still hold someone to account.
Trouble is, as has been mentioned upstream in this thread, Cameron replied with non answers.
Why didn't Corbyn politely hold him to account?
 
angrysoba said:
Homoeopathy most certainly is quackery, so maybe there is something we can do about this.

If someone believes in X there is no necessary reason why they cannot be persuaded not to believe in X.

Jeremy Hunt, for example, also gave homoeopathy the benefit of the doubt when he was Health Secretary, and has since decided it is not evidence-based medicine. But I think it is still available on the NHS.

As Darat and other Labour supporters and members have been asked by Jeremy Corbyn to submit questions for his PMQs, why not ask him to reconsider his position on homoeopathy and have him ask Cameron when it will no longer be available on the NHS?

That sounds like the type of thing rational skeptics might do if they were keen to get involved in lobbying government. ;)
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Perhaps the worrying thing is that someone who seeks the highest office in the land with overall responsibility for the NHS has yet to discover that homeopathy is quackery.
Begs the question of what else might he be ill informed about?
 
uk_dave said:
Perhaps the worrying thing is that someone who seeks the highest office in the land with overall responsibility for the NHS has yet to discover that homeopathy is quackery.
Begs the question of what else might he be ill informed about?
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Maybe it just hasn't been a big deal so far. There are a lot of things with higher priority for a potential party leader.
 
Regarding his views on homeopathy, these are two Early Day Motions about homeopathy which Jeremy Corbyn has signed.


That this House welcomes the positive contribution made to the health of the nation by the NHS homeopathic hospitals
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http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2006-07/1240


That this House expresses concern at the conclusions of the Science and Technology Committee's Report, Evidence Check on Homeopathy...
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http://www.parliament.uk/business/p...ns/edm-detail1/?session=2009-10&edmnumber=908
 
The Atheist said:
...one that suits my argument"

Would at least be honest.

As I said in another thread, right-wingers get to define Socialism in exactly the same way christians get to define atheism.
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No, I'm defining it the way it is traditionally defined, and understand the difference between Socialism and a social safety net. And Corbyn's BFF Hugo Chavez was a Socialist as Marx defined the term, that's why he nationalized private industry, and with predictably disastrous results that we're seeing today. And when I see Corbyn hobnobbing with Chavez and railing against capitalism it leaves little doubt where he'd like to go.

And you of all people posting about this, don't you make a living by finding low-skilled workers for rich corporations who are willing to work for poverty wages? You've actually bragged about that here!
 
angrysoba said:
Here's an interesting opinion piece in the Telegraph titled Jeremy Corbyn's QE for the people is exactly what the world may soon need.

I completely expected to find some kind of satirical piece, but the author is serious, and he makes a few points about how such measures have worked in the past:





Now, he goes on to say that he doesn't trust Corbyn's team to be able to pull it off - particularly his chancellor John McDonnell - but I think it is an interesting riposte to those who have simply dismissed Corbyn's idea as nuts.
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Is the UK in a 1930s-style depression?
 
Uh-oh! Here come the scurrilous rumours.

How about this for a bit of juicy gossip:

Jeremy Corbyn and his Left-wing ally MP Diane Abbott were lovers in the 1970s, it was alleged on Wednesday night.

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A source close to Mr Corbyn revealed to the Times that there had been a ‘brief fling’ between the two politicians, which included a holiday together.

The couple reportedly went on a tour of East Germany together on a motorbike.
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A tour of East Germany!
 
lupus_in_fabula said:
Now you're just being silly.



It's done right – i.e., without hyperinflation – most of the time, throughout history.
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You don't think there's a natural growth of money supply? Have you never taken a basic economics course?

The only times it's been "done right" is to counter deflation (which is actually as bad as high inflation) or during periods when there is little liquidity.

To do it like Corbyn is suggesting - to have more money to spend on social programs - is a recipe for hyperinflation. Think post-WWI Germany, or 1980s Argentina, or Venezuela today. You simply can't print your way to prosperity.
 
The Don said:
Then you have nothing to fear, by that definition Jeremy Corbyn is not a Socialist. He has proposed a limited nationalisation of rail and utilities but that would then put the UK back in line with parts of the rest of Western Europe.

As has already been brought up, he's not even campaigning for the return of "Clause 4" the revision (well, to be realistic the removal) of which was a major battle in the mid 90's.

Of course none of this matters, in your mind he's a dangerous Socialist and no evidence will budge you from that view.



If you're going to claim that Jeremy Corbyn is Socialist then I'm afraid you're going to have to claim that broad swathes of Western Europe are also Socialist. As far as I can see Jeremy Corbyn isn't calling for the abandonment of capitalism, but is proposing some tweaks to the system.

Of course if you have better evidence then please feel free to post it.
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Have you never read any of my posts, not only in this thread but my entire time on this forum? If you had you'd know I have never called western Europe Socialist, they are all Capitalist with a strong social safety net. What evidence is there that this is what Corbyn believes? This is a guy who praised Hugo Chavez, who was definitely a Socialist as Marx defined the term. Given his rhetoric against Capitalism why should I conclude he'd like to stop at passenger rail service?
The new leader of opposition Labour Party named an ally whose declared aim is the overthrow of capitalism as finance spokesman on Monday, pushing hard-left policies that opponents say will make the party unelectable.

...McDonnell lists "generally fomenting the overthrow of capitalism" among his interests in the Who's Who directory of influential people, and wants public ownership of the banks to take control of what he calls Britain's "casino economy".

"My new policies with Jeremy's have been roundly endorsed by the leadership election, so the economy would be safe in our hands but also it would be more prosperous," McDonnell, 64, told BBC Radio after the appointment.
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/14/uk-britain-labour-shadowcabinet-idUKKCN0RE0K120150914

Now why should I conclude he's more like Denmark than the Bolivarians he so admires?
 
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uk_dave said:
Perhaps the worrying thing is that someone who seeks the highest office in the land with overall responsibility for the NHS has yet to discover that homeopathy is quackery.
Begs the question of what else might he be ill informed about?
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What's more illuminating is the rush to defend Corbyn's idiocy. "He's got an open mind"; "he's just asking questions"...Utter crap. He's enabling quackery.
 
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