Presidential Primaries 2016

[Trebuchet]

What happened to Scott Walker? He was leading in Iowa in July. He's slipped to 5th place.

I guess he's had trouble giving clear answers to questions about things he doesn't want to have a position on, and says things like let's consider building a wall on the Canadian border.

That kind of thing doesn't seem to hurt Trump.

 

[SezMe]

What happened to Scott Walker?

The Real Walker^TM showed up. The Real Deal proved to be not very smart but petty and vindictive. *poof* went the Walkerites.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Wow. Look at Jeb's unfavorable rating at question 5. He's waaaayyy underwater.

As Meredith Wilson wrote..... "You're in I-Oh-Way".....

Bush's people, back before he formally announced and was campaigning to build his war chest, had said he probably wouldn't contest Iowa and would concentrate on NH. They haven't forgotten this slight in the past four months. He never polled well there (thus the thought of skipping it).

His support is around where it's been all along. The negatives are because he dissed their main industry. Quick... off the top of your head, name another industry associated with Iowa, other than the caucuses.

 

[Trakar]

As Meredith Wilson wrote..... "You're in I-Oh-Way".....

Bush's people, back before he formally announced and was campaigning to build his war chest, had said he probably wouldn't contest Iowa and would concentrate on NH. They haven't forgotten this slight in the past four months. He never polled well there (thus the thought of skipping it).

His support is around where it's been all along. The negatives are because he dissed their main industry. Quick... off the top of your head, name another industry associated with Iowa, other than the caucuses.

corn

 

[Ladewig]

Quick... off the top of your head, name another industry associated with Iowa, other than the caucuses.

corn

CORN noun
Performances that are naïvely affirmative of old-fashioned values; banal and emotionally overwrought material. Trite or unduly sentimental material. (20th century slang)

Oh, they've got bushels and bushels of corn in Iowa

 

[Ladewig]

I thought these links might be useful to illustrate how far out we are in the process.

Republican candidate polling results 2011-2012
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat..._Party_2012_presidential_primaries#2011_polls

Republican candidate polling results 2007-2008
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat...Republican_Party_2008_presidential_candidates

In August and September of 2011, Rick Perry was first place the polls.
In early September of 2007, Fred Thompson had just stolen the lead from Rudy Guilliani.

 

[Puppycow]

FWIW, Lessig met his self-imposed goal to raise a million dollars by Labor Day:

https://lessigforpresident.com

So he's officially in (already has a dot, but this confirms the dot).

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...rowdfunds-1-million-launches-presidential-bid

Harvard Law professor Lawrence Lessig met his self-imposed goal of crowdfunding $1 million by Labor Day, and Sunday on ABC announced he's running for the Democratic nomination for president.

Lessig, an activist with a grass-roots following among some progressives, says he's running on a singular platform — the Citizen Equality Act of 2017. It would expand voting access, ban gerrymandering and institute campaign finance reform.

"I think I'm running to get people to acknowledge the elephant in the room," Lessig said Sunday on ABC. "This stalemate, partisan platform of American politics in Washington right now doesn't work. And we have to find a way to elevate the debate to focus on the changes that would actually get us a government that could work again, that is not captured by the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent who fund campaigns."

 

[Unlike a Bull]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/08/news/john-mcafee-for-president/

John Mcafee, the antivirus guy and alleged murderer, is apparently running under the "cyber party."

 

[uk_dave]

Jeez, 'cyber party' is so 1998

 

[hgc]

So fun to get late entrants. Today we've added John McAfee, rich kook, to the Indeterminate list.

Also, striking the A. Gore boomlet that wasn't.

What I really thought would be settled by now is the J. Biden question. But alas, he dithers.

Does anyone know what's going with on with B. Erlich?

GOP
P. Ryan
C. Christie •
M. Rubio •
J. Bush •
M. Bachmann
W. "M." Romney
S. Palin, VP of Never Gonna Run for President
M. Huckabee •
T. Pawlenty
J. Thune
S. Walker •
D. Trump (Really?) •
R. Paul (le fils) •
J. DeMint
N. Haley
S. Martinez
R. Santorum (GOP first) •
M. Pence
C. Rice
R. "T." Cruz •
P. "B." Jindal •
J. Brewer
J. Kasich •
B. Carson •
R. "B." McDonnell
J. Huntsman
T. Nugent (Celebrity Jokebag Contingent)
P. King
J. Bolton
H. Cain
J. Scarborough
M. Rogers
M. Blackburn
A. West
R. Perry •
C. Fiorina •
L. Graham •
G. Pataki •
R. Snyder
B. Ehrlich
J. Gilmore •

Dem
H. Clinton •
J. Biden
M. Warner
M. O’Malley •
A. Klobuchar
C. Booker
A. Villaraigosa
B. Schweitzer
K. Gillibrand
A. Cuomo
R. Emmanuel
M. Cantwell
E. Warren
Ju. Castro
D. Patrick
H. Dean
E.G. "J." Brown
J. Webb (overall first) •
L. Chafee •
B. Sanders •
L. Lessig •
A. Gore

Indeterminate
M. Bloomberg
J. Ventura
V. Supreme (Jokebag Contingent)
J. McAfee •

 

[hgc]

So soon? I am disappoint! R. Perry has dropped out.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/rick-perry-drops-out-presidential-race-213569

GOP
P. Ryan
C. Christie •
M. Rubio •
J. Bush •
M. Bachmann
W. "M." Romney
S. Palin, VP of Never Gonna Run for President
M. Huckabee •
T. Pawlenty
J. Thune
S. Walker •
D. Trump (Really?) •
R. Paul (le fils) •
J. DeMint
N. Haley
S. Martinez
R. Santorum (GOP first) •
M. Pence
C. Rice
R. "T." Cruz •
P. "B." Jindal •
J. Brewer
J. Kasich •
B. Carson •
R. "B." McDonnell
J. Huntsman
T. Nugent (Celebrity Jokebag Contingent)
P. King
J. Bolton
H. Cain
J. Scarborough
M. Rogers
M. Blackburn
A. West
R. Perry •
C. Fiorina •
L. Graham •
G. Pataki •
R. Snyder
B. Ehrlich
J. Gilmore •

Dem
H. Clinton •
J. Biden
M. Warner
M. O’Malley •
A. Klobuchar
C. Booker
A. Villaraigosa
B. Schweitzer
K. Gillibrand
A. Cuomo
R. Emmanuel
M. Cantwell
E. Warren
Ju. Castro
D. Patrick
H. Dean
E.G. "J." Brown
J. Webb (overall first) •
L. Chafee •
B. Sanders •
L. Lessig •
A. Gore

Indeterminate
M. Bloomberg
J. Ventura
V. Supreme (Jokebag Contingent)
J. McAfee •

 

[NotJesus]

Now we'll never know what the third thing was.

 

[marplots]

Love the list. Just wanted to say that Vermin Supreme is in it to win it.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

[taken from HGC's list]

GOP
C. Christie •
M. Rubio •
J. Bush •
M. Huckabee •
S. Walker •
D. Trump (Really?) •
R. Paul (le fils) •
R. Santorum (GOP first) •
R. "T." Cruz •
P. "B." Jindal •
J. Kasich •
B. Carson •
C. Fiorina •
L. Graham •
G. Pataki •
J. Gilmore •


Out of the list, I'm looking more into Fiorina, and Rubio to see if they're worth while "options"

Carson would be OK if he can keep his religious side to a minimum and study up on foreign policy, and economics. I think experience is the bigger player with him than anything else.

Rubio, still counting as the most ideal.... but need to hear more from him

Bush... not my preffered candidate unless he shows himself to be his own person. Currently his campaign responses to criticism have been weak, particularly against Trump who is a relatively easy critique

Trump is on my "when hell freezes over list along with Huckabee

The rest... we'll see... glad to see a lot of candidates bu way too many IMO

Dem
H. Clinton •
J. Biden
M. O’Malley •
B. Schweitzer
J. Webb (overall first) •
L. Chafee •
B. Sanders •
L. Lessig •

Biden would be my most likely "choice" if he ran. as an alternative to the republican vote

H Clinton's a 2nd choice.

And Sanders kind of joined my "when hell freezes over list" after seeing his ideas for taxes and the like. If he wasn't so extreme on that issue I would have been OK with his positions on social issues.

The aren't any attractive 3rd party candidates yet to consider...

Disclaimer: Opinion subject to change based on how the primaries play out... and who comes out of them successfully

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Personally, I think Rubio would be a good choice for the GOP. He's young, good looking, articulate and brown. Give him a Biden (older, more experienced in the Washington cage fight, suitable as an advisor for foreign policy, etc) to help attract mature voters and the GOP could have their own Obama (young, fresh and exciting + not-white) for 2 terms.

He's made enough religiousoid statements to both make me uneasy and appeal to the current GOP base. So he won't be getting my vote. But he seems like he might make a decent president. He actually makes me less nervous than HRC.

 

[logger]

Personally, I think Rubio would be a good choice for the GOP. He's young, good looking, articulate and brown. Give him a Biden (older, more experienced in the Washington cage fight, suitable as an advisor for foreign policy, etc) to help attract mature voters and the GOP could have their own Obama (young, fresh and exciting + not-white) for 2 terms.

He's made enough religiousoid statements to both make me uneasy and appeal to the current GOP base. So he won't be getting my vote. But he seems like he might make a decent president. He actually makes me less nervous than HRC.

"Brown"? Can the left ever leave a person's skin color out?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

... i don't think he meant it that way.... not in this context. I partly agree actually with the idea that he is HISPANIC, and would potentially give some leeway on that voter bloc for the party assuming he can rank high enough in the polls. I actually view him as my favorite in the party for being the most pragmatic and sensible of the bunch, as well as relatable to voters. Of course, the issue is we could wind up with someone else, hence my deferred decision on who to run with

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

"Brown"? Can the left ever leave a person's skin color out?

As soon as political phone polls (mostly from the RNC, at the moment) stop asking if I'm white or not.

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And by "brown" I mean "not white." You may not have noticed, logger, but "your" party seems to need a bit more marketable credibility to appeal to non-white voters. Rubio would go a long way in that regard. I don't think it's his most important characteristic, but that it checks a box on a checklist of "wouldn't it be nice" characteristics for a presidential candidate to follow the first non-white president.

Trump would meet that one too, as he's orange.

 

[logger]

And by "brown" I mean "not white." You may not have noticed, logger, but "your" party seems to need a bit more marketable credibility to appeal to non-white voters. Rubio would go a long way in that regard. I don't think it's his most important characteristic, but that it checks a box on a checklist of "wouldn't it be nice" characteristics for a presidential candidate to follow the first non-white president.

Trump would meet that one too, as he's orange.

Well, I'm not interested in a candidate being marketable, that's fine when you don't have a candidate that can get the job done. I'm interested in ideas

I can vote for Rubio, Trump, Carson or Fiorina, I couldn't care less what their gender or skin color is. All that matters is their ideas that I agree with. Being a republican is different though when it comes to the politics. Republicans win when they are passionate about their beliefs, meaning conservatism goes against the natural tendencies in human nature of being taken care of.

Being a democrat is easy, just promise goodies that you stole and you're a winner.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

conservatism goes against the natural tendencies in human nature of being taken care of.

I don't think this means what you think it means. I'm not sure you realize what you said.