Jeremy Corbyn might actually win?

dudalb said:
Just like Donald Trump........
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Yes, just like Donald Trump, I suppose. So what?

dudalb said:
I am going to say it again:Supporting a candidate just because he is anti establishment and will shake things up is stupid.
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See, what you may be missing is that maybe his supporters are not supporting him "just" because he is anti establishment, but rather on his specific policies which - in case you hadn't noticed - are almost certainly nothing like those of Donald Trump. And if they were, then he probably wouldn't have got the vote.

Those facts rob your clever-dick argument of all its cleverness making it merely a dick argument.

Now, please feel free to respond to things people actually say rather than rummaging around in your bag of boring stock answers that you usually "entertain" the forum with.
 
dudalb said:
Forgetting about the Gulag are we?
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I'm writing in response to what has been put to me, which is this
WildCat said:
Good point, economies never fail in Socialist states! Just look at, er, ummm, help me out here... oh well it's only because of the Jews they failed elsewhere. Hugo Chavez said so right before he died of the cancer the Jews gave him.
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This is specifically an attempt to associate "Lefties" with the genocide of Jews.

In fact, for all I know, according to this school of thought, the Stalinist Gulag was the work of a Judaeo-Bolshevist conspiracy. Hitler certainly took that view.
 
Antony said:
Not all of us, of course. I'm not many years younger than Corbyn and see him as Labour's best chance to get back to being a serious challenger to the Tories. Not guaranteed to win, but the best chance.
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That would exclude you from the naysayer group, so you're quite safe.

I agree with your analysis and would just add that while there's a question about where Labour will go under Corbyn, there was no doubt it continue the slow decline still if it continued down the same path that failed only a couple of months ago.

Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. (a point the naysayers tend to overlook for obvious reasons)
 
lionking said:
Nonsense.
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Again, the anti-Corbyn faction have nothing more intelligent to say than this.
There are not three candidates for Labour leadership, and you know it.
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Seems to have escaped your notice, but the election has happened and there are no "candidates" any more. There is a new Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition: the Right Honourable Jeremy Corbyn MP.
There is one unelectable one, unfortunately and that's Corbyn.
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"Unelectable"? That remains to be seen, and none of you predicting doom have recourse to knowledge of the future. What we do know, though, is that the other 3 lightweights in the election were offering nothing other than a re-run of the 2015 election - which, again it might have escaped your notice, Labour lost. So, we can say with confidence that 3 of the 4 candidates in the election that concluded yesterday, were, demonstrably, unelectable.

The one candidate who we don't know whether he can win or not, is Jeremy Corbyn.
And let me repeat, I would rather Labour in power in the UK.
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So stop calling for a repeat of the 2015 failed strategy! Support the change that is now taking place and which has a chance of succeeding!
 
24 things that Jeremy Corbyn believes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34209478

Most of these are eminently sensible and correct, while the few that could be described as contentious are entirely supportable by reasoned argument. It is pure arrogance on the part of the anti-Corbyn faction to dismiss his stated views as "hard left", "unelectable" or worse - without even thinking they have to make a case against them.
 
A national maximum wage should be introduced to cap the salaries of high earners. He would also introduce a windfall tax on former state assets such as the Royal Bank of Scotland, which he says were privatised too cheaply.
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And watch all the businesses leave the UK if that becomes law.

Corbyn ,apparently, is one of those who thinks that Private Enterprise and the profit motive are basically evil and,at best, are to be only tolerated.
That kind of thinking worked great in the Soviet Union and Mao's China.
 
Antony said:
So stop calling for a repeat of the 2015 failed strategy! Support the change that is now taking place and which has a chance of succeeding!
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They lost badly because Miliband dragged Labour to the left. A more centrist leader, like his brother David, would have fared much better and may have won. Corbyn, if he's still there in 2020, will lead the party to a more disasterous loss.
 
dudalb said:
And watch all the businesses leave the UK if that becomes law.

Corbyn ,apparently, is one of those who thinks that Private Enterprise and the profit motive are basically evil and,at best, are to be only tolerated.
That kind of thinking worked great in the Soviet Union and Mao's China.
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Given that the wealth inequality is rising for many years now, that "profit motive" in many cases nowdays should be prefaced with "perverted", and that many people nowdays treat capitalism as if it is their religion, which must be followed no matter what (all hail to the "free" market!)... And given that the mantra of "always more growth" is physically impossible to achieve, i'd say that capitalism, as it is practised today, is not really working.

A profit motive is all fine and dandy. But now we have banks and corporations that simply can't get enough, to the point that they willingly damage the economies they operate in. Like, tax evasion, tax loopholes, insanely high manager salaries, bonus payments even if they failed, bail-outs, etc.

Privatization of critical infrastructure clearly doesn't work that well either. Here in Germany, the railways/train get worse every year since the Deutsche Bahn got somewhat privatized. More and more smaller train stations are closed, the overall quality of the service is going down, and tickets cost more and more very year. The situation is similar for many other privatized things.

Capitalism isn't bad per se, just the absurd and perverted version it has become today is simply untenable. A few are getting richer and richer, infiltrating policy making (lobbying, large monetary contributions to parties, giving the politicians the prospect to get a job in the upper echelons when they retire from politics, etc) to get the share that they should pay lower and lower. While at the same time the rest of the people get poorer and poorer.

Does it really surprise anyone that people are sick of that?

It's also quite funny how people like Corbyn are attacked in the media etc. "According to person XY....", "As we have heard at XY...", that's were they get the talking points to denounce him from. Pretty much no one ever refers to what the guy himself actually states and says. Instead they condemn him based on hearsay from other people that have an axe to grind. And that is happening not only with Corbyn, but with pretty much everyone who dares to criticize the holy religion of current day capitalism, and who tries to actually get some changes done that would benefit the majority, and likely everyone in the long run, instead of just the rich minority.

Greetings,

Chris
 
dudalb said:
And watch all the businesses leave the UK if that becomes law.

Corbyn ,apparently, is one of those who thinks that Private Enterprise and the profit motive are basically evil and,at best, are to be only tolerated.
That kind of thinking worked great in the Soviet Union and Mao's China.
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So far, you've marked Corbyn down as perpetrator of the Holocaust, and of Stalin's gulag; now it's the abolition of private enterprise and the profit motive.

But you haven't accused him of paedophile enablement.

Why are you giving him such an easy time? I think you're a secret Corbynite!
 
Antony said:
Again, the anti-Corbyn faction have nothing more intelligent to say than this.
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Just as long as you're not surprised.

It must be terrible to have so many people ignore the coming-apolcalypse cries. I feel their pain.

And it fills me with joy and hope!

Everyone I've so far seen denigrate Corbyn is someone I have no time for the opinion of, so I'm struggling to see a downside at this stage.

Antony said:
"Unelectable"? That remains to be seen, and none of you predicting doom have recourse to knowledge of the future.
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Even more ironic when you consider it's allegedly a skeptics' forum where evidence is required for outrageous claims.

Antony said:
What we do know, though, is that the other 3 lightweights in the election were offering nothing other than a re-run of the 2015 election - which, again it might have escaped your notice, Labour lost. So, we can say with confidence that 3 of the 4 candidates in the election that concluded yesterday, were, demonstrably, unelectable.
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Slam.

Antony said:
The one candidate who we don't know whether he can win or not, is Jeremy Corbyn.
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Dunk!


Antony said:
So stop calling for a repeat of the 2015 failed strategy! Support the change that is now taking place and which has a chance of succeeding!
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Expecting people to support him in the face of an overwhelming, uncontestable win would first require removal of all the sour grapes, wherever they may be stored.

Time.

In time, we'll know which side is right, but to immediately cry about him winning while claiming Labour kinship or membership is a kind of treachery, in my view.
 
Craig B said:
I'm writing in response to what has been put to me, which is this This is specifically an attempt to associate "Lefties" with the genocide of Jews.
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No, it's specifically referring to the Bolivarians blaming the Jews for their problems.

Craig B said:
In fact, for all I know, according to this school of thought, the Stalinist Gulag was the work of a Judaeo-Bolshevist conspiracy. Hitler certainly took that view.
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When you go full circle to where the radical left meets the totalitarian right the one thing they agree on is that the Jews are responsible for a lot of problems.

Corbyn's attitude wrt Israel/Palestine is pretty clear where he stands wrt Jews.
 
WildCat said:
Corbyn's attitude wrt Israel/Palestine is pretty clear where he stands wrt Jews.
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Oh, hush up. You'll embarrass the Zionists; for they repeatedly tell us ... Of course anti-Zionism isn't necessarily anti-Semitism. But in fact they say nothing else than that it is. It is their only defence.

Hey, is your anti-Sovietism the same thing as Hitlerian denunciation of Slavs as sub-humans fit only to be enslaved?
 
Craig B said:
Oh, hush up. You'll embarrass the Zionists; for they repeatedly tell us ... Of course anti-Zionism isn't necessarily anti-Semitism. But in fact they say nothing else than that it is. It is their only defence.

Hey, is your anti-Sovietism the same thing as Hitlerian denunciation of Slavs as sub-humans fit only to be enslaved?
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Let's see, Corbyn refers to Hamas (you know, whose official party platform includes the genocide of the Jews) as his "friends", wants "refugees" (in scare quotes because they've never actually lived in the country they're 'refugees" from) to "return" to Israel... nope nothing potentially anti-semitic there!

I bet some of his bestest friends are Jews!
 
WildCat said:
Let's see, Corbyn refers to Hamas (you know, whose official party platform includes the genocide of the Jews) as his "friends", wants "refugees" (in scare quotes because they've never actually lived in the country they're 'refugees" from) to "return" to Israel... nope nothing potentially anti-semitic there!

I bet some of his bestest friends are Jews!
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I am extremely hostile to Zionism, yet not anti semitic. Dear heaven, I have a friend who lives in a Kibbutz in the not merely occupied but annexed Golan area of Syria.

I think these politics are outrageous and part of the problem, and I most vigorously say so. But that doesn't make me anti semitic.

To whom are you referring who have never lived in the country from which they claim to have been expelled? Are you saying that nobody has been expelled, and no lands illegally usurped?

ETA There is no need to respond to that unless you wish to. I have made my opinions on this matter clear enough in these threads, which you may consult if nothing more pressing commands your time.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283318&highlight=Antisemitism

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290610&highlight=Semitism
 
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WildCat said:
You want the destruction of Israel, but you're not anti-Semitic... :rolleyes:
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I want, and actively campaign for, the destruction of the United Kingdom, the country in which I was born, and of which I am a citizen. Most of my fellow citizens in my native city voted for that in a referendum almost exactly a year ago. Suicidal self-haters?
 
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