Jeremy Corbyn might actually win?

lionking said:
No. Socialist=unelectable. I can't see how this is beyond dispute.
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I can't see how it is beyond dispute either. That's because it is not beyond dispute.

lionking said:
Do you really think a socialist politician can win in the UK?
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Why not? And yet again, who do you see as a viable alternative?

I think Corbyn's chances are small. I think Burnham's, Cooper's and Kendall's chances were non-existent.

It's a matter of logic that a small chance is greater than no chance.
 
lionking said:
No. Socialist=unelectable. I can't see how this is beyond dispute.

Do you really think a socialist politician can win in the UK?
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Before the banking crisis I would have said no. Now, after watching capitalism not only fail spectacularly but then fail to punish those responsible, instead finding the consequences inflicted on them, I think there are a fair number of people who are at least willing to listen to what someone like Corbyn has to say.
 
Pixel42 said:
Before the banking crisis I would have said no. Now, after watching capitalism not only fail spectacularly but then fail to punish those responsible, instead finding the consequences inflicted on them, I think there are a fair number of people who are at least willing to listen to what someone like Corbyn has to say.
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Yes. Also from The Guardian:

STEVE HILTON, Former director of strategy for David Cameron and the author of More Human -

The establishment scratches its head: “How could …?” Well, let’s just check what the “serious” people have done for us lately: economic disaster with rewards for those who caused it and barely a gain for anyone else; foreign policy disaster with cack-handed interventions bringing instability and chaos; social disaster with poverty festering, family life foundering and inequality growing. If that’s what being “serious” gets you, no wonder people prefer the joker.
 
KDLarsen said:
#12 is idiotic. How would he align having a joint British-Argentine administration with the wish to take the islanders view into account, when 99.8% of the islanders voted to remain a British territory just 2½ years ago?
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What do you expect from an idiot? Unelectable.
 
angrysoba said:
Will you suggest who the Labour Party should have elected leader and give some explanation of what their policies should be? Tell us what a "winning ideology" looks like.
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angrysoba said:
But you don't even offer an alternative. I don't argue that Corbyn is a shoo-in for a general election victory; nobody can seriously claim to know who will win, but given that Corbyn has won the leadership election by a complete landslide and he has interested a number of younger voters who may otherwise not vote, who do you suggest can win instead? Your refusal to answer that is a cop-out.
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Winning.

Gosh, I hope there's a special on crying towels today.

The part I bolded is the key. Who else has attracted such a swathe of support from new voters in the past?

The interesting thing to me is that the biggest naysayers of Corbyn on this forum are guys about his age.

A twinge of jealousy that Corbyn isn't being left on the scrap-heap?
 
The Atheist said:
The interesting thing to me is that the biggest naysayers of Corbyn on this forum are guys about his age.
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Not all of us, of course. I'm not many years younger than Corbyn and see him as Labour's best chance to get back to being a serious challenger to the Tories. Not guaranteed to win, but the best chance.
 
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Craig B said:
Then socialism must have been dead many years ago.
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sphenisc said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV#The_Clause_Four_Moment
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In that case the 1995 replacement version of Clause Four, cited in your link - insofar as it has any meaning at all - must be a falsehood.

The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect​
 
JihadJane said:
It's socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest of us in Britain.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/29/socialism-for-the-rich
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Yes, exactly so. Oh, we can't afford to subsidise state owned railways. Let them stand on their own feet! But what's this? The taxpayer is forking out much more to subsidise the privatised railways, than when they were in public ownership.

The financial wizards of the banking industry have been bailed out to the extent of about £1 TRILLION by the taxpayer, while wage earners are told they must bear "austerity" indefinitely. And on it goes. Is it any wonder that members of the Labour Party are tired of this situation and want a political movement that will fight it; they desperately want a change?

Especially since Blair has disgraced himself beyond redemption by his financial antics following his retirement from UK politics. Blair's condemnation of Corbyn probably was worth tens of thousands of votes for Corbyn in the ballot.
 
cullennz said:
Bloke is a nutter
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cullennz said:
There is no way he will be voted PM
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And this is what passes for political comment among the anti-Corbyn faction.

Let me state my assessment: Corbyn has only an outside chance of becoming PM in 2020 - but the 3 lightweights had no chance at all, too scared of being off-message to ever say anything of substance.

Since New Labour originated, the party had 13 wasted years in government, followed by 5 wasted years in opposition. With Burnham, Cooper or Kendall there would inevitably have been another failure in 2020, and we would be in exactly the same position with no progress.

Corbyn is the man to change that - even if he doesn't win in 2020, he will have changed the political dialogue in the country. That is why his enemies are running scared, and why their only argument is to assert that he can't win the next election.
 
Antony said:
And this is what passes for political comment among the anti-Corbyn faction.

Let me state my assessment: Corbyn has only an outside chance of becoming PM in 2020 - but the 3 lightweights had no chance at all, too scared of being off-message to ever say anything of substance.

Since New Labour originated, the party had 13 wasted years in government, followed by 5 wasted years in opposition. With Burnham, Cooper or Kendall there would inevitably have been another failure in 2020, and we would be in exactly the same position with no progress.

Corbyn is the man to change that - even if he doesn't win in 2020, he will have changed the political dialogue in the country. That is why his enemies are running scared, and why their only argument is to assert that he can't win the next election.
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Nonsense.

There are not three candidates for Labour leadership, and you know it. There is one unelectable one, unfortunately and that's Corbyn.

And let me repeat, I would rather Labour in power in the UK.
 
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