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TheL8Elvis said:

"There never was, at any time, data belonging to the Clintons stored in Denver. Ever," said Dovetail Solutions CEO Andy Boian, who added that Clinton's server was always in a New Jersey data center. "We do not store data in any bathrooms."

Thanks for clearing that up.
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what nonsense, no way we should be expected to take the word of the CEO over random internet lawyers and vigilantes.
 
TheL8Elvis said:

"There never was, at any time, data belonging to the Clintons stored in Denver. Ever," said Dovetail Solutions CEO Andy Boian, who added that Clinton's server was always in a New Jersey data center. "We do not store data in any bathrooms."

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Do not, or did not? ;)
 
DavidJames said:
I'd take the word of a cess pool CEO over Internet lawyers and vigilantes. They have much more experience with ****.
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Hillary Clinton's use of a personal email address on a private server "was criminal."

-D. Trump, CEO of The Trump Organization

That settles that, thx!
 
NoahFence said:
She has an elitist, entitled mentality. Teflon Jane if you will.
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My daughter, who probably never has and never will vote for a Republican said she looked like a Luddite over this. In the absence of some candid talk by Clinton about what was going on, I just am not sure what this tells us about Clinton. As I've mentioned before I think it makes her look elitist and stupid. I also think it makes her look like she wasn't very thoughtful about the harm she could do to the people who were loyal to her. She embarrassed the Obama administration and she has put the Democratic Parry in a tough spot when the Democratic Party relied on her to be their only major candidate.

Somebody asked me why I was pissed at Clinton. I suppose if she really is as stupid as this makes her look it isn't fair to be pissed at her. She isn't responsible for this mess because she just isn't that smart. Maybe she is smart and this was an anomaly, a blind spot where she relied on the judgment of the wrong person? I find it hard to reconcile the lunacy of her actions with regard to this and the incredible skills she displayed when she lead the political campaign that got her husband elected president and the skills she showed to win a senate seat for herself. Maybe her age has taken more of a toll than is apparent?

She seems to have thought that commingling her private emails, her private business emails and her State Department emails was a fine idea because whe could sort it all out if that became necessary. That was a very silly notion on her part. Reasonably, people were going to be skeptical of any sorting process she put herself in charge of and more problematic for her any little bobbles would make it so that subpoenas for her work related emails would sweep up the stuff that she was particularly trying to keep private. So she thinks right now that she may have managed to keep some of her private stuff private because the server was wiped clean. Maybe, and maybe not. People haven't started going after backups and the FBI haven't announced the results of their efforts to recover data from the drive. But if she manages to dodge major damage from this process the fact that she turned over a thoroughly cleaned drive to the FBI is going to look really bad. My guess, is that her biggest fear right now is that stuff surfaces that proves she didn't abide by her promise to the Obama administration to not participate in her foundation while she was Secretary of State.
 
plague311 said:
Well, first, as far as we know Hillary Clinton's server wasn't hacked, and her information wasn't compromised in anyway. There has been no evidence showing any breaches of that server.

The only thing I can even think of is that her lawyer had a thumb drive of information that may have been classified retroactively. The American public has not seen the emails on that thumb drive which would also lead me to believe that the lawyer hasn't released any of it.

I don't know what you're getting at towards the end of this. Are you saying that because we don't know all of what was said in the 22 million emails that the Bush Administration\RNC destroyed, that it is somehow less of a problem? If I'm wrong, please clarify.
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If her server wasnt hacked, then it boils down to blind luck. The issue was her decision to do it. As to references to prior candidates and public officials doing the "same" i have no problem with the comparisons but it looks to me like the hype over hillary - the portion not being purely partisan - has to do with the known content that was transmitted and the damaging effects that could have been in play because of her position and the KNOWN type of information she handled. I never said you had to know everything that was transmitted
 
Grizzly Bear said:
If her server wasnt hacked, then it boils down to blind luck.
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What knowledge do you have which supports that assertion? If you plan on going down the path of something like, it stands to reason a private server is less secure then government server, don't bother. I'm looking for objective analysis using first hand data. Despite what you're read here, to the best of my knowledge that doesn't exist. There have been a ton of second hand "guessing", by reasonable sources, but that's it.

Edit - Personally, it doesn't seem to make sense how she handled the server and subsequent actions. There is no doubt her attitude during the entire time is consistent with many over the years. That doesn't make it right (or wrong), it just adds some context. Context which become irrelevant if crimes or failure to follow proper protocol (official, not Internet Lawyers crap) is determined. If no such things are determined, then it's perfectly reasonable to use that context to assess judgement. But I don't expect that. Those afflicted with HDS have her guilty and want her in jail now and will not accept anything less, regardless of facts.
 
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TheL8Elvis said:

"There never was, at any time, data belonging to the Clintons stored in Denver. Ever," said Dovetail Solutions CEO Andy Boian, who added that Clinton's server was always in a New Jersey data center. "We do not store data in any bathrooms."

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Why is Platte River hiring a former Clinton employee as their spokesman? That seems... ill-advised.
 
davefoc said:
A Daily Kos defense of Clinton on the receiving classified emails on an unsecured server:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...ails-during-Bush-Administration?detail=email#

It is an everybody-has-done-it-so-it-isn't-so-bad defense and I kind of bought into it a bit. But maybe somebody would like to blast away at it?
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The writing style is utterly insipid, the facts are wrong (Colin Powell had and used a dot.gov address for most of his emails), the whole thing is fallacious as all hell, and completely ignores the fact that Hillary had everyone of her emails sent to a private server under her exclusive control.

But I agree, indict them all. Lets start with Hillary
 
davefoc said:
A Daily Kos defense of Clinton on the receiving classified emails on an unsecured server:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...ails-during-Bush-Administration?detail=email#

It is an everybody-has-done-it-so-it-isn't-so-bad defense and I kind of bought into it a bit. But maybe somebody would like to blast away at it?
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Follow the link to the source story:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1a67...artment-officials-routinely-sent-secrets-over

Many of the emails to Clinton came from state.gov email accounts, noted Steven Aftergood, an expert on classification at the Federation of American Scientists. "So if there is routine security screening and monitoring of incoming and outgoing State Department emails, anything that is classified should have been flagged. That does not seem to have happened. I think it's the State Department culture."

That may be true, but it would not save a rank-and-file official with a security clearance who was caught sending classified information over email, said Bradley Moss, a lawyer who frequently represents intelligence officers. That person could lose his job, his clearance, or both.

"In real life, the 'everybody does it defense' doesn't fly," Moss said.​

In addition, Hillary Clinton is running for President, Colin Powell is not.
 
davefoc said:
My daughter, who probably never has and never will vote for a Republican said she looked like a Luddite over this. In the absence of some candid talk by Clinton about what was going on, I just am not sure what this tells us about Clinton. As I've mentioned before I think it makes her look elitist and stupid. I also think it makes her look like she wasn't very thoughtful about the harm she could do to the people who were loyal to her. She embarrassed the Obama administration and she has put the Democratic Parry in a tough spot when the Democratic Party relied on her to be their only major candidate.

Somebody asked me why I was pissed at Clinton. I suppose if she really is as stupid as this makes her look it isn't fair to be pissed at her. She isn't responsible for this mess because she just isn't that smart. Maybe she is smart and this was an anomaly, a blind spot where she relied on the judgment of the wrong person? I find it hard to reconcile the lunacy of her actions with regard to this and the incredible skills she displayed when she lead the political campaign that got her husband elected president and the skills she showed to win a senate seat for herself. Maybe her age has taken more of a toll than is apparent?

She seems to have thought that commingling her private emails, her private business emails and her State Department emails was a fine idea because whe could sort it all out if that became necessary. That was a very silly notion on her part. Reasonably, people were going to be skeptical of any sorting process she put herself in charge of and more problematic for her any little bobbles would make it so that subpoenas for her work related emails would sweep up the stuff that she was particularly trying to keep private. So she thinks right now that she may have managed to keep some of her private stuff private because the server was wiped clean. Maybe, and maybe not. People haven't started going after backups and the FBI haven't announced the results of their efforts to recover data from the drive. But if she manages to dodge major damage from this process the fact that she turned over a thoroughly cleaned drive to the FBI is going to look really bad. My guess, is that her biggest fear right now is that stuff surfaces that proves she didn't abide by her promise to the Obama administration to not participate in her foundation while she was Secretary of State.
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That's like not being angry at a burglar because she was stupid enough to get caught in your home. She's still a conniving thief and you have every right to be pissed. :)
 
mgidm86 said:
That's like not being angry at a burglar because she was stupid enough to get caught in your home. She's still a conniving thief and you have every right to be pissed. :)
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Other then the fact that burglary is illegal so when someone commits a burglary they are subject to charges regardless of when they are caught. In this case what HRC has done has not yet been deemed a crime.

But yeah, exactly the same, if the facts don't matter.
 
16.5 said:
The writing style is utterly insipid, the facts are wrong (Colin Powell had and used a dot.gov address for most of his emails), the whole thing is fallacious as all hell, and completely ignores the fact that Hillary had everyone of her emails sent to a private server under her exclusive control.

But I agree, indict them all. Lets start with Hillary
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One of the issues associated with this scandal is whether Clinton received classified emails on a system not approved for receipt of classified emails and if not doing anything about it was a crime. This is an issue whether Clinton used a homebrew cowboy server or not.

If it has been common practice in the State Department to transfer classified information in emails that are sent via email services not approved for the transfer of secure information then is Clinton just one more individual caught up in this particular problem.? The problem seems to have spanned different administrations. This seems like this might be something of a reasonable defense of Clinton on this particular aspect of the overall scandal to me.

It certainly doesn't absolve her of other aspects of the scandal and I'm not sure that it is even a valid defense since it's not clear to me how the State Department transfers sensitive information. Is at least part of the internal State Department email system set up for the transfer of sensitive information?

Regardless of this narrow aspect of the scandal there is the issue of whether Clinton did something particularly egregious with respect to the handling of classified material by setting up her homebrew cowboy server. Presumably the people running the State Department IT department are carefully and officially vetted so even if the State Department email servers were being used inappropriately did Clinton introduce another element to this problem? How were the people that set up and administered her HCS vetted? How was server, backup systems and physical media used for backup protected? Were classified data type safes in place to handle any physical media? What kind of physical security was in place to protect the servers?
 
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