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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...6/should_hillary_clinton_suspend_her_campaign

"the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters believe Clinton should suspend her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination until all of the legal questions about her use of the private e-mail server are resolved."

Considering how far right Rasmussen polls have skewed over the last several national elections, I'd estimate that they've over-stated that percentage by something like 13% minimum. I wonder what percentage of respondents to that poll were Republican? 46%

eta: The link also tells us that 76% of Democrats, 54% of independents, and 27% of Republicans don't think Clinton should suspend her campaign. Imagine that, a far right pollster paints the numbers in a skewed light!
 
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2016 will be fun!!!!!:):D:thumbsup:

Oh Snap! +4 Internet points for the cherry pick! I know I'll be having a good time, the Presidential Vote is fairly meaningless for me to involve myself in. I'm in for the city\county\state elections. North Dakota is blood red, nothing will change that anytime soon.
 
WaPo made a great point today.

Hillary and her toadies have been claiming that her previous Secretaries of State used private email, which is misleading as all hell because one did, Colin Powell, and none used a home brew private server, of course. (Her immediate predecessor used a dot.gov address, of course)

But is Colin Powell her only comparison? Of course not, her "peer group" was broader than that, and included every Cabinent Level office.

How many of them used a private home brew server? None, of course. Just Hillary, I mean "can you imagine" if the secretary of defense said, oh yeah, I used a private server because it was more convenient.

Can you imagine?

Lolz.
 
WaPo made a great point today.

Hillary and her toadies have been claiming that her previous Secretaries of State used private email, which is misleading as all hell because one did, Colin Powell, and none used a home brew private server, of course. (Her immediate predecessor used a dot.gov address, of course)

Yeah, Colin Powell only used a public gmail account. Which, of course, he was able to retain absolutely no emails from at all. I wonder what would be more secure, a gmail account where any of the admins can view your information, or a homebrew server?

But is Colin Powell her only comparison? Of course not, her "peer group" was broader than that, and included every Cabinent Level office.

Uhm, didn't Bush do this? Didn't it include a vast amount of his staff? I know it wasn't "every Cabinet member", but weren't there millions of emails? That had to come from a fairly sizable amount of people.

How many of them used a private home brew server?

One was a server at the RNC. Is that somehow better than one at a house? It was a private server nonetheless.

None, of course.

That'd be a lie

Just Hillary, I mean "can you imagine" if the secretary of defense said, oh yeah, I used a private server because it was more convenient.

Can you imagine?

Lolz.

No, almost like I couldn't imagine when the President of the United States did it.
 
In all frankness.... the casual (researched) voter mainly cares about the policy decisions and decision-making capacity of the candidate... so if you're already not voting for her on those reasons I doubt you'll have much news here until/unless she is actually indicted over something criminally. At this point, criminality or incompetence is of little actual consequence to the fact that this issue puts her candidacy in a pinch. I brought up the first time I posted in here that the decision on the private server from the perspective of her job position and the kind of information she handles as SOS is a regulation/protocol issue where it's not criminal by letter of the law.

The former seems like a more appropriate and more easily proven issue. Criminality could still come up but it usually has a higher threshold.

Uhm, didn't Bush do this? Didn't it include a vast amount of his staff? I know it wasn't "every Cabinet member", but weren't there millions of emails? That had to come from a fairly sizable amount of people. One was a server at the RNC. Is that somehow better than one at a house? It was a private server nonetheless.
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No, almost like I couldn't imagine when the President of the United States did it.
Seems more appropriate as a comparison of seriousness to deal with the content that was transmitted. In terms of information security it ranks on the level o Hillary. What kind of information wound up being transmitted? Based on the known content....?
 
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Let's review: Jeb had his personal private server installed in his office.

GW went around his office email by using the GOP servers (which, by the way was to coverup using the DoJ for political purposes, we don't have to guess).

Hillary Clinton Fights Republican Hypocrisy: Bush, Jindal, Walker Also Used Private Email
As governor, Jeb Bush owned his own private server and his staff decided which emails he turned over as work-related from his private account. Bobby Jindal went a step further, using private email to communicate with his immediate staff but refusing to release his work-related emails. ...

According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, “A top aide to Walker set up a private router in the county executive’s office that was used to trade emails that mixed government and campaign business. Emails released through litigation by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel show Walker routinely used his campaign account — skw@scottwalker.org — to discuss county business.”

That Story About Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Account Isn’t as Awful as It Seems
Given the statistics, however, roughly 43 percent of the Twitter users debating the story probably didn’t read beyond the first couple of paragraphs. If they had, they might not be as outraged. ...

In fact, John Kerry is the first Secretary to use “a standard government email address,” according to The Washington Post.

I would suggest that the personal server being the difference or whatever is just a matter of timing. I doubt anyone had their own servers outside of the tech industry or large corporations until the last decade or so. So you can't compare owning the server to Colin Powell not owning one. Just like you can't compare John Kerry using government email exclusively to Clinton not using it as the laws changed in between the two office holders.
 
Seems more appropriate as a comparison of seriousness to deal with the content that was transmitted. In terms of information security it ranks on the level o Hillary. What kind of information wound up being transmitted? Based on the known content....?

Well, first, as far as we know Hillary Clinton's server wasn't hacked, and her information wasn't compromised in anyway. There has been no evidence showing any breaches of that server.

The only thing I can even think of is that her lawyer had a thumb drive of information that may have been classified retroactively. The American public has not seen the emails on that thumb drive which would also lead me to believe that the lawyer hasn't released any of it.

I don't know what you're getting at towards the end of this. Are you saying that because we don't know all of what was said in the 22 million emails that the Bush Administration\RNC destroyed, that it is somehow less of a problem? If I'm wrong, please clarify.
 
Let's review: Jeb had his personal private server installed in his office.

GW went around his office email by using the GOP servers (which, by the way was to coverup using the DoJ for political purposes, we don't have to guess).

Hillary Clinton Fights Republican Hypocrisy: Bush, Jindal, Walker Also Used Private Email


That Story About Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Account Isn’t as Awful as It Seems

I would suggest that the personal server being the difference or whatever is just a matter of timing. I doubt anyone had their own servers outside of the tech industry or large corporations until the last decade or so. So you can't compare owning the server to Colin Powell not owning one. Just like you can't compare John Kerry using government email exclusively to Clinton not using it as the laws changed in between the two office holders.
How much classified information does Scott Walker send and receive as Governor of Cheeseland?
 
I would suggest that the personal server being the difference or whatever is just a matter of timing. I doubt anyone had their own servers outside of the tech industry or large corporations until the last decade or so. So you can't compare owning the server to Colin Powell not owning one. Just like you can't compare John Kerry using government email exclusively to Clinton not using it as the laws changed in between the two office holders.

Ohhhh, politicusa! Do you ever cite anything that isn't bought and sold progressive propaganda?

But Skeptic, if we can't compare Hillary to Colin Powell, why does she keep citing him as justification?

She set up the server and the domain the day she was nominated or was it when she appeared for the nomination hearing?

Seems legit....:rolleyes:
 
Let's review: Jeb had his personal private server installed in his office.

GW went around his office email by using the GOP servers (which, by the way was to coverup using the DoJ for political purposes, we don't have to guess).

Hillary Clinton Fights Republican Hypocrisy: Bush, Jindal, Walker Also Used Private Email


That Story About Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Account Isn’t as Awful as It Seems


I would suggest that the personal server being the difference or whatever is just a matter of timing. I doubt anyone had their own servers outside of the tech industry or large corporations until the last decade or so. So you can't compare owning the server to Colin Powell not owning one. Just like you can't compare John Kerry using government email exclusively to Clinton not using it as the laws changed in between the two office holders.

Clinton might not want to use the Walker case as a parallel. Despite claims to the contrary, Walker was the target of the investigation and six people went to jail due to what the target-less totally-non-criminal john doe investigations found.

Of course there is a difference between violating our FOIA (state open records laws), which they both totally did, and improperly handling classified information. The laws are far more strict on the latter. Generally speaking, violations of the former might cost you your job. Violations of the latter might cost you your freedom.
 
Say, you know what is convenient? The fact that Huma Abedin sent a single email to Hillary on her cowboy system containing classified data from THREE separate intelligence agencies: the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the National Security Agency (NSA), and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

Say that IS convenient!

But Hillary and her toadies claim that it is just a bureaucratic spat between two agencies regarding whether top secret data is top secret.

Does State get to unilaterally declassify other intelligence agencies' data?

Of course not

Seems like Hillary and Huma could not be bothered to follow the law.
 
WaPo made a great point today.

Hillary and her toadies have been claiming that her previous Secretaries of State used private email, which is misleading as all hell because one did, Colin Powell, and none used a home brew private server, of course. (Her immediate predecessor used a dot.gov address, of course)

Rather unfair to call it "homebrew" isn't it ? Platte River Networks seems on the surface a competent little inet services company. They subbed to some other company in NJ for the actual (likely virtual) server.

I find it rather hard to believe that any state department emails (aside from, "red toyota in the lot with it's light on") would not be classified. And anyone (including Powell) who intentionally sends classified material w/o DCMS-approved encryption via public servers is at least a moron, and likely a criminal.

But is Colin Powell her only comparison? Of course not, her "peer group" was broader than that, and included every Cabinent Level office.

How many of them used a private home brew server? None, of course. Just Hillary, I mean "can you imagine" if the secretary of defense said, oh yeah, I used a private server because it was more convenient.

Can you imagine?

Lolz.

I can't imagine why you think "private homebrew server" is one iota worse than a gmail account or any routing that takes a classified unencrypted email outside of government servers. Once that email is unencrypted outside SIPRNet or JWICS, you may as well post it on a blog. It's public.

Let's review: Jeb had his personal private server installed in his office.

Which didn't contain Federal classified content - so it's not comparable in any way. Further Jeb and other state officials aren't bound by the 2009 records act to preserve and hand over the emails. I don't give a rat's hind if Florida reveals it's internal operations publicly or not. That is a matter of Florida state law. We should all care about State Dept & DoD classified docs being sent around public servers.

GW went around his office email by using the GOP servers (which, by the way was to coverup using the DoJ for political purposes, we don't have to guess).

So your rationalization is that Hillary's actions are similar to those of one of the worst president in recent history committing an atrocious act ? I can see why you support her :rolleyes:


Hillary Clinton Fights Republican Hypocrisy: Bush, Jindal, Walker Also Used Private Email

Totally misses the point. Bush, Jindal, Walker don't handle classified state secrets, nor are they bound by the 2009 National Archive laws (nor was Powell so bound for that matter).


I would suggest that the personal server being the difference or whatever is just a matter of timing. I doubt anyone had their own servers outside of the tech industry or large corporations until the last decade or so. So you can't compare owning the server to Colin Powell not owning one. Just like you can't compare John Kerry using government email exclusively to Clinton not using it as the laws changed in between the two office holders.

So your argument is that she is merely stupid and incompetent and not a criminal ? Yeah, that's what I want in a President - no concern for national security, but a massive paranoia that leads to taking risks with trillions of dollars and lives on the line.

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I have some sympathy for the idea that making all government emails a matter of record stifles a good communication medium within the executive branch (and perhaps elsewhere). It's a shame that sending emails to the Atty General, vs having him/her over for dinner and a chat has such differential implications. I know that I wouldn't want to work in an environment where every conversation was recorded; far too much potential for misinterpretation after the fact. But we normally use emails for such casual conversations & discussions, and more problematic - emails don't carry enough context to always be fairly interpreted by others after the fact.

Doesn't change the basic facts here - the DoD and State Dept specifically have extremely high need for secrecy and standards for handling classified material. Transferring emails above "unclassified" status outside of the government secret+ networks, created at great expense for that purpose of bone-headedly stupid, against the regulations, and a misuse of public assets. If an underling did that they'd be facing a big jail term.

Hillary's to quoque arguments fail for several reasons; a state official isn't handling national secrets, isn't required to turn them all in to the National Archive, and anyway tu quoque is a fallacy - it doesn't alleviate her guilt. If someone want's to investigate Powell's alleged mishandling of docs - go for it. Let the chip fall ...

Hillary's recent argument that she, as Sec'yO'State could declassify info, might be technically accurate, however she certainly couldn't perform a declassification review of documents being sent to her and off of classified servers. Carrying that argument forward might (unlikely I think) prevent a conviction, but will make her look even more incompetent.

Put a fork in it.
 
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Put a fork in it.

Everything except this comment seemed pretty reasonable to me.

The issue of how this plays out is still an open question to me. It looks like there is going to be a long slow role out of this scandal and I don't see enough evidence yet to know that this is how her candidacy ends. This was truly the Democrats worst fear, she's wounded but not so badly that she can't soldier on and make it difficult for other Democratic candidates. There is definitely a group of Clinton supporters in the Democratic Party who are going to be very unhappy if Clinton is forced out.

It would be interesting to hear how Clinton came to make this decision, but it seems unlikely that she will ever be candid about it. Incredibly to me, it looks like it was her intent to completely ignore rules that required her to have her state department emails archived. Why did she think she could get away with that? Didn't she even consider the security issues and laws concerning classified material? If she did, perhaps she will be able to point to the memo she published making it clear to everybody in the state department that her email account was not to be used to send her any potentially classified material. Maybe she has some sort of an argument that she can make that classified material is never to be sent via email?
 
Everything except this comment seemed pretty reasonable to me.

The issue of how this plays out is still an open question to me. It looks like there is going to be a long slow role out of this scandal and I don't see enough evidence yet to know that this is how her candidacy ends. This was truly the Democrats worst fear, she's wounded but not so badly that she can't soldier on and make it difficult for other Democratic candidates. There is definitely a group of Clinton supporters in the Democratic Party who are going to be very unhappy if Clinton is forced out.

It would be interesting to hear how Clinton came to make this decision, but it seems unlikely that she will ever be candid about it. Incredibly to me, it looks like it was her intent to completely ignore rules that required her to have her state department emails archived. Why did she think she could get away with that? Didn't she even consider the security issues and laws concerning classified material? If she did, perhaps she will be able to point to the memo she published making it clear to everybody in the state department that her email account was not to be used to send her any potentially classified material. Maybe she has some sort of an argument that she can make that classified material is never to be sent via email?

She has an elitist, entitled mentality. Teflon Jane if you will.
 
Rather unfair to call it "homebrew" isn't it ? Platte River Networks seems on the surface a competent little inet services company. They subbed to some other company in NJ for the actual (likely virtual) server.

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Excellent post, stevea. The only issue is the part above the snip. Yes, it is fair to call it "homebrew" because the server was set up in her home in 2008 by an employee. She did not hire Platte River Networks until mid-2013.

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Rather unfair to call it "homebrew" isn't it ? Platte River Networks seems on the surface a competent little inet services company. They subbed to some other company in NJ for the actual (likely virtual) server.

It's actually a " cowboy/homebrewed " server. ;)

And, Platte River Networks only managed after she was no longer SoS (mid 2013). We still don't have a lot of actual information from 2009-2013 on who managed the system, where it was actually located, etc..

I find it rather hard to believe that any state department emails (aside from, "red toyota in the lot with it's light on") would not be classified. And anyone (including Powell) who intentionally sends classified material w/o DCMS-approved encryption via public servers is at least a moron, and likely a criminal.

Clearly HRC had tens of thousands of emails that didn't contain classified material. That's not even a good argument from incredulity. And, so far, it doesn't seem like she sent classified material, but simply received it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/disputed-clinton-emails-identified/

It contained what Davis believed to be sensitive but unclassified information from U.S. Special Envoy to Libya Christopher Stevens -- "(SBU) Per Special Envoy Stevens," according to the email. The email mentioned the diplomat's concerns about departing from Benghazi and also detailed the "phased checkout" of Stevens' envoy delegation from the area.

The document, which is entirely unredacted, also includes references to military intelligence. "AFRICOM reported Qadhafi's forces took the eastern and western gates of Adjabiyah, with 5 vehicles at the eastern gate and 50 at the western gate," the email reads. "More Qadhafi forces are heading to Ajdabiyah from Brega." A government official with knowledge of the investigation tells CBS News that this was the section of the email that intelligence officials believe should have been marked "Classified" at the time it was sent.
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...The government official says that doesn't change the fact that his email, which was eventually forwarded to Clinton, contained military intelligence that should have been marked "classified." "SBU" is a generic State Department classification level that is not used by the rest of the intelligence community.

The government official acknowledged that this kind of mistake is not unusual for the State Department when officials are discussing information gleaned from both intelligence and local sources.


Doesn't change the basic facts here - the DoD and State Dept specifically have extremely high need for secrecy and standards for handling classified material. Transferring emails above "unclassified" status outside of the government secret+ networks, created at great expense for that purpose of bone-headedly stupid, against the regulations, and a misuse of public assets. If an underling did that they'd be facing a big jail term.

Does the fact that someone sent that email, not marked as classified to Abadin, who then sent it to HRC square with the basic facts you outlined above ?

Perhaps she should have recognized the phrase "AFRICOM reported" and said to herself this is classified. But this would have been an issue whether she had a cowboy/homebrewed server, gmail account, or regular unclassified state department account.

And after seeing what constitutes a "national security breach", meh. That description is laughable. The outrage shouldn't be over whether she endangered our national security.

The question really is why she thought this whole email server set-up was a good idea. Clearly it's not in hindsight ... it doesn't make HRC incompetent, though.

Put a fork in it.

I don't know, but I don't think so. Not yet.
 
Of course there's no evidence her server was hacked, because nobody has checked whether her server was hacked. And how much security do you actually expect on a system set up literally in a bathroom closet?
Plus, of course, the hack was only into the unclassified network. The classified network was not penetrated. But there were classified emails on Hillary's system.

Excellent post, stevea. The only issue is the part above the snip. Yes, it is fair to call it "homebrew" because the server was set up in her home in 2008 by an employee. She did not hire Platte River Networks until mid-2013.

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"There never was, at any time, data belonging to the Clintons stored in Denver. Ever," said Dovetail Solutions CEO Andy Boian, who added that Clinton's server was always in a New Jersey data center. "We do not store data in any bathrooms."


Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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