Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[RoseMontague]

You are the one who brought the subject up, so do your own research. You have access to the same resources as me.

No Vixen. It is your false claim that the washing machine was running/warm when FR arrived on the scene.

The actual court testimony contradicts this lie that you are spreading.

You do the research, like reading the court documents and examining the evidence, and get back to us with your proof.

 

[Numbers]

In Italian, 'umido' is the same word used to describe warm weather. Whilst humidity is indeed a measure of moisture in the air, and not temperature, it is nonetheless commonly associated with warm conditions, insofar evaporating water (steam) is caused by heat.

You need to ask Kauffer and Rose why they inisted in resurrecting this long settled issue.

When caught in a lie, the poster uses a misleading translation or association in a classic move to confuse and cover-up. There is no reason in the translation to associate "umido", which primarily translates as "wet" in English, with "heat" or "steam". And water evaporates even at room temperature (20 C) and ambient pressure (1 atmosphere or 760 mm Hg).

Translations of umido
adjective

wet: bagnato, umido, fresco, piovoso, fradicio, zuppo

damp: umido, bagnato

moist: umido, lustro

humid: umido

dank: umido, bagnato

misty: nebbioso, umido

sloppy: sciatto, sdolcinato, brodoso, umido

From https://translate.google.com/#it/en/umido

 

[Annella]

When caught in a lie, the poster uses a misleading translation or association in a classic move to confuse and cover-up. There is no reason in the translation to associate "umido", which primarily translates as "wet" in English, with "heat" or "steam". And water evaporates even at room temperature (20 C) and ambient pressure (1 atmosphere or 760 mm Hg).

Translations of umido
adjective

wet: bagnato, umido, fresco, piovoso, fradicio, zuppo

damp: umido, bagnato

moist: umido, lustro

humid: umido

dank: umido, bagnato

misty: nebbioso, umido

sloppy: sciatto, sdolcinato, brodoso, umido

From https://translate.google.com/#it/en/umido

The only word any Italian I know ( and I know many!) would have used would be 'tiepido' to describe the machine still warm. Caldo at a pinch. But umido? Nope.

 

[Ken Dine]

When caught in a lie, the poster uses a misleading translation or association in a classic move to confuse and cover-up. There is no reason in the translation to associate "umido", which primarily translates as "wet" in English, with "heat" or "steam". And water evaporates even at room temperature (20 C) and ambient pressure (1 atmosphere or 760 mm Hg).

Translations of umido
adjective

wet: bagnato, umido, fresco, piovoso, fradicio, zuppo

damp: umido, bagnato

moist: umido, lustro

humid: umido

dank: umido, bagnato

misty: nebbioso, umido

sloppy: sciatto, sdolcinato, brodoso, umido

From https://translate.google.com/#it/en/umido

You're absolutely correct that this entire flap involves a translation error.

The washing machine was NEVER actually described as being "warm" and what they actually had claimed was that it was "HOT", as in Hot! Hot! Hot! as this recently discovered crime-scene photo proves:

 

[JREF2010]

Either your version has been only partly translated or it has been omitted.

It wouldn't be the first time inconvenient facts are glossed over by PR shills.

Who do I believe, a neutral GUARDIAN hack or persons with an innocence agenda?

I think it was the Guiltards who were glossing over facts and defending Rudy most the time.

The knife was the big failure of the prosecution, the fact Stephony never tested around the handle (or removed it ) was one issue of incompetence on her behalf.

Let alone the ignorant, or corrupt, semen stain being untested.

And why even bring up the destroyed hardrives by the expert computer geeks (who were also surfing the internet on a critical piece of evidence).

Im glad Italy was able to undo the case caused by the insanity of Migninni and his goofball troop.

I would think in hindsight a lot of these people should be investigated and fired or reprimanded like they eventually did when they demoted Napoleoni and a couple of her mindless followers.

 

[Mr Fied]

Wow that really changed things for me. From the article:

Blonde, bespectacled Filomena Romanelli also posed a string of problems for the defence. She said that when she returned to the house they shared on 2 November 2007 the washing machine was warm. She later identified most of the clothes inside as those of the victim, Meredith Kercher, a student at Leeds University.


[qimg]http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/ht_amanda_roommates_ss_thg_110930_ssh.jpg[/qimg]

But these early press reports are more accurate, they were made before anyone could apply their PR spin to them.

 

[Mr Fied]

I expect Raff was the "brains" behind the cleaning. Mignini described Raff to the court as "ice-cold".

What cleaning?

What clothes were in this spinning/hot/warm/humid washing machine?

Amanda and Raff's? Were the clothes tested for evidence?

Meredith's? She was still partially dressed and the clothes that had been removed and still bloodied were tossed in a heap by the top notch forensic team.

Are you sure it was Raff who was described as ice cold and not the washing machine?

 

[Numbers]

You're absolutely correct that this entire flap involves a translation error.

The washing machine was NEVER actually described as being "warm" and what they actually had claimed was that it was "HOT", as in Hot! Hot! Hot! as this recently discovered crime-scene photo proves:

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/WY3DlJL.png[/qimg]

Ken Dine,

Let's be honest about this picture. It appears that a dryer is shown, not a washing machine.

If this is true, or even arguable, I don't understand why Grinder hasn't objected to a false implication by the FOA!

 

[Vixen]

No Vixen. It is your false claim that the washing machine was running/warm when FR arrived on the scene.

The actual court testimony contradicts this lie that you are spreading.

You do the research, like reading the court documents and examining the evidence, and get back to us with your proof.

Not false. You have been told Filomena testified to the court at the trial the washing machine was still in operation when she arrived.


Filomena Romanelli's testimony: http://t.co/OJRAoSoJmL
GM: Senta prima di andare avanti volevo sapere questo: lei si ricorda se c'era quando è arrivata la lavatrice in funzione?

FR: Sì, era carica.
GM: Before you go ahead I wanted to know this: do you remember when you arrived the washing machine was in operation?
FR: Yes, it was loaded.

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The discerning reader can judge which of us is telling porky pies.

You have been informed several times by reliable sources, including the court transcripts. You appear to be crossing your fingers none of us speaks Italian.

It's your preogative to refuse to acknowledge the truth, Amanda & Raff were caught red-handed running the washing machine, either because of cognitive dissonance, blatant knowledge you are spinning and twisting the fact, or you really are in La-La Land, possibly out of a misguided belief or prejudices about Italians versus Americans.

I have told you the facts and given you three independent sources. I am not going to force you to tell the truth. It's your choice to dissemble.

 

[Vixen]

What cleaning?

What clothes were in this spinning/hot/warm/humid washing machine?

Amanda and Raff's? Were the clothes tested for evidence?

Meredith's? She was still partially dressed and the clothes that had been removed and still bloodied were tossed in a heap by the top notch forensic team.

Are you sure it was Raff who was described as ice cold and not the washing machine?

Most of the clothes were Mez' and Filomena was asked by police to separate hers from Mez'. No sign of Amanda doing any washing, despite supposedly having had a shower. Incidentally, Mignini told the court he didn't believe she'd had a shower for a minute.

Police believed Raff had a thorough shower there.

 

[RoseMontague]

Not false. You have been told Filomena testified to the court at the trial the washing machine was still in operation when she arrived.


Filomena Romanelli's testimony: http://t.co/OJRAoSoJmL
GM: Senta prima di andare avanti volevo sapere questo: lei si ricorda se c'era quando è arrivata la lavatrice in funzione?

FR: Sì, era carica.
GM: Before you go ahead I wanted to know this: do you remember when you arrived the washing machine was in operation?
FR: Yes, it was loaded.

---

The discerning reader can judge which of us is telling porky pies.

You have been informed several times by reliable sources, including the court transcripts. You appear to be crossing your fingers none of us speaks Italian.

It's your preogative to refuse to acknowledge the truth, Amanda & Raff were caught red-handed running the washing machine, either because of cognitive dissonance, blatant knowledge you are spinning and twisting the fact, or you really are in La-La Land, possibly out of a misguided belief or prejudices about Italians versus Americans.

I have told you the facts and given you three independent sources. I am not going to force you to tell the truth. It's your choice to dissemble.

You skipped the answer to that question ahead to the answer to another question which is disingenuous to say the least. Her answer was...

No, la lavatrice non... Cioè, mi può rifare bene la domanda chiedo scusa, in che senso, se quando arrivammo, prendemmo la casa in locazione o se quella mattina?

We all know what no means, no?

 

[Vixen]

The only word any Italian I know ( and I know many!) would have used would be 'tiepido' to describe the machine still warm. Caldo at a pinch. But umido? Nope.

Perhaps it's time to expand your vocabulary as just washed clothes in a washing machine are indeed warm and damp.

 

[Vixen]

You skipped the answer to that question ahead to the answer to another question which is disingenuous to say the least. Her answer was...

No, la lavatrice non... Cioè, mi può rifare bene la domanda chiedo scusa, in che senso, se quando arrivammo, prendemmo la casa in locazione o se quella mattina?

We all know what no means, no?

You have been told the washing machine was still running/had very recently been running. Accept it. Full stop. Period.

Next fantasy: "Rudy must have gone back to turn it on".

 

[RoseMontague]

You have been told the washing machine was still running/had very recently been running. Accept it. Full stop. Period.

Next fantasy: "Rudy must have gone back to turn it on".

You have exposed yourself as a liar as far as I am concerned. Her answer to the question of the washing machine running was no. We all know it was loaded (which was her answer to the next question)and two days later she was asked to examine the shoes/clothing in the washing machine. The clothes might still be damp but not warm.

 

[Annella]

Not false. You have been told Filomena testified to the court at the trial the washing machine was still in operation when she arrived.


Filomena Romanelli's testimony: http://t.co/OJRAoSoJmL
GM: Senta prima di andare avanti volevo sapere questo: lei si ricorda se c'era quando è arrivata la lavatrice in funzione?

FR: Sì, era carica.
GM: Before you go ahead I wanted to know this: do you remember when you arrived the washing machine was in operation?
FR: Yes, it was loaded.

---

The discerning reader can judge which of us is telling porky pies.

You have been informed several times by reliable sources, including the court transcripts. You appear to be crossing your fingers none of us speaks Italian.

It's your preogative to refuse to acknowledge the truth, Amanda & Raff were caught red-handed running the washing machine, either because of cognitive dissonance, blatant knowledge you are spinning and twisting the fact, or you really are in La-La Land, possibly out of a misguided belief or prejudices about Italians versus Americans.

I have told you the facts and given you three independent sources. I am not going to force you to tell the truth. It's your choice to dissemble.

If there is any ' spinning and twisting' happening Vixen it is most definitely via your wee self and NOT via any lavatrice in the cottage at Via Pergola.

" Si, era carica" said Filomena. '' Yes. it was loaded. "

Do you understand the definition of 'loaded' at all Vixen? Does it mean turning, spinning, twisting, active, warm, hot, cold, tepid, umido??
Methinks your confirmation bias combined with an unhealthy dose of schadenfreude has highlighted Filomena's ''Yes" ( Si) to cover all of your totally sick bases/biases.
You have NO idea about just HOW Italian dialogue is interpreted by Italians.
I have to wonder if you know what it feels like to admit to being embarrassed. Or even admitting to know what being embarrassed feels like.
I am embarrassed for you.

The ' caught red handed' part is going to keep me amused for years to come. FWIW.

ETA: SNAP! Rose.

 

[RoseMontague]

If there is any ' spinning and twisting' happening Vixen it is most definitely via your wee self and NOT via any lavatrice in the cottage at Via Pergola.

" Si, era carica" said Filomena. '' Yes. it was loaded. "

Do you understand the definition of 'loaded' at all Vixen? Does it mean turning, spinning, twisting, active, warm, hot, cold, tepid, umido??
Methinks your confirmation bias combined with an unhealthy dose of schadenfreude has highlighted Filomena's ''Yes" ( Si) to cover all of your totally sick bases/biases.
You have NO idea about just HOW Italian dialogue is interpreted by Italians.
I have to wonder if you know what it feels like to admit to being embarrassed. Or even admitting to know what being embarrassed feels like.
I am embarrassed for you.

The ' caught red handed' part is going to keep me amused for years to come. FWIW.

ETA: SNAP! Rose.

What's funny is she thought that skipping the NO answer to a YES answer to a different question would go without notice. This is also the same passage I quoted yesterday.

 

[Annella]

What's funny is she thought that skipping the NO answer to a YES answer to a different question would go without notice. This is also the same passage I quoted yesterday.

Indeed!!

and just for Vixen in case the latest MENSA library meeting did not cover it...

loaded
ˈləʊdɪd/Submit
adjective
1.
carrying or bearing a load, especially a large one.
"a heavily loaded freight train"
synonyms: full, filled, laden, packed, burdened, stuffed, crammed, brimming, freighted, stacked; More
2.
weighted or biased towards a particular outcome.
"a trick like the one with the loaded dice"
synonyms: biased, rigged, fixed; More

Nary a 'umido' 'spinning' 'functioning' 'warm' etc mentioned!

 

[Vixen]

You have exposed yourself as a liar as far as I am concerned. Her answer to the question of the washing machine running was no. We all know it was loaded (which was her answer to the next question)and two days later she was asked to examine the shoes/clothing in the washing machine. The clothes might still be damp but not warm.

You have been told it was in Filomena's deposition.

AFAYAC All the police are liars. I am honoured you class me in the category of upright law and order, the good guys who keep detractors and subversives safe at night.

 

[Vixen]

What's funny is she thought that skipping the NO answer to a YES answer to a different question would go without notice. This is also the same passage I quoted yesterday.

You and Annella should be on stage. Nothing serious there, we note. Just a hilarious routine to fill the 3:00am gap to carry adverts for soap.

 

[RoseMontague]

You have been told it was in Filomena's deposition.

AFAYAC All the police are liars. I am honoured you class me in the category of upright law and order, the good guys who keep detractors and subversives safe at night.

You have a quote and a link to a deposition where she says the washing machine was running/warm when she arrived?