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Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Where is this "six-week pile of dirty clothes against Amanda's bedroom wall" in the following crimescene photographs? :confused:
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Vixen has demonstrated time and again she'll outright lie to make a point.
 
Either your version has been only partly translated or it has been omitted.

It wouldn't be the first time inconvenient facts are glossed over by PR shills.

Who do I believe, a neutral GUARDIAN hack or persons with an innocence agenda?

I read your version, actually. It doesn't say what you falsely claim.
 
Massive logical fallacy. Even if we were to imagine very hard that any of these "errors" are even slightly true, it doesn't make a guilty person innocent.


OK, I'll bite ...EXACTLY, which type of logical fallacy are you referring to that could possibly preclude throwing out obviously tainted evidence?


Hindsight is a fine thing. Well done the perps delaying the police from finding the body and their not being prepared when they did.


Have you been drinking? Just asking since your above statements are so poorly written that they're to the point of being nonsensical. Your nutty claims are bad enough even when they're not couched within incoherent language.

Seriously, care to try again?
 
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I read your version, actually. It doesn't say what you falsely claim.

You do not understand how a court works. There are transcriptions of the court testimony. However, depositions aka witness statements, which Filomena Romanelli deposited with the court - as did all witnesses - and in which she signed a legal declaration the washing machine was "still warm" when she arrived home that day, IS ALSO COURT TESTIMONY, even if the judges only read them in their chambers.

Not everything in a deposition is cross-examined.
 
We don't have to imagine. Have you seen the crime scene videos of the evidence collection? Errors?

Choosing to ignore what is true does not make an innocent person guilty.

BTW, just picking up on something else you have made up. How many people actually own a whole six weeks worth of clothes. And if Amanda had never used the washing machine, how did she know how to turn it on?

I expect Raff was the "brains" behind the cleaning. Mignini described Raff to the court as "ice-cold".
 
I have just read a smartphone translation of Romanelli's testimony on the pro guilt wiki and I couldn't find any reference to a "warm" washing machine. Was I reading the right testimony? (The one where she talks about how she wanted bars on her windows and how she had sinned (by smoking hashish?)

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As far as I can see she said that the lavatrice was turned off but full of Meredith's clothing. So that just means Meredith did a load before she was murdered and didn't get a chance to empty the machine.

The clothing that Meredith was wearing during the murder were certainly not washed. So what in world would Amanda need to wash a load of Meredith's clothing after the murder for?

Am I missing something here? I know the answer is no, I'm not missing anything. I just got sucked into this vortex too. :(
 
New witness statements added.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/witness-depositions/

Viki Rakauskas: (male) Knew Rudy for 6 years as he played with him in the team UIS Palazzetto Perugia Liomatic, and then also in Piazza Grimana. Rudy had 3 mobile numbers. He liked white girls, not black girls. He never knew of Rudy having a girlfriend. At times he got really drunk. Rudy had told him that he was going out with one of the girls he shared a house with. He stopped seeing Rudy because he drank so much.
Benedek Avital:From Boston, he knew Rudy for about 1 month. Knew him from the nightclub scene. Last saw him at Domus’ on the night between 2nd and 3rd Nov when there was the minute silence for Meredith. Rudy disappeared after that but he knows Rudy had sent a facebook message to Rebecca Savoy.
Giulia Davis: Also knew Rudy from the nightclub scene and was present at Domus’ on the night between 2nd and 3rd Nov and she was dancing with him when there was the minute silence for Meredith. When her friend explained to her why there was a minute’s silence, Rudy showed no emotion. Also mentions that Rudy had sent a facebook message to Rebecca Savoy.
Rebecca Savoy: Knew Rudy from nightclub scene. She frequented the same group of people and saw him about twice a week. At times she saw Rudy drunk. Was there on 2nd/3rd Nov at Domus. Then he disappeared. He sent her a facebook message to which she responded, but it was a message that had no value.
Marta Neito-Carolina Martin: Spanish girl, lived in the apartment above Rudy and got to know him immediately in September. Was with him and the other Spanish friends on the night of Halloween. She saw Rudy on the night between 1st and 2nd Nov at Domus at about 4am when they were leaving.
 
As things wind down, post-acquittal, there are only a few relevant issues left.

One may be the Amanda Knox page on Wikipedia, which was split from the Murder of Meredith Kercher page circa just after the first acquittals in 2011. Folks who remember the genuine controversy within Wikipedia about his, will remember Jimbo Wales' personal intervention to sort out a Wiki-article, one which had literally been hijacked by guilters. The splitting off into other pages like Knox's itself was a huge Wiki-controversy, turned out to be a false-controversy heavily laden with guilter confirmation bias.

Now, the pages are fairly decent. Both Wiki-articles are locked, one is limited to moderated edits by verifiable uses only. Both have been subject to heavy vandalization; as witnessed in the "Talk" pages associated with each.

As such, there still are glaring errors. One nod to the guilters on the Amanda Knox page is that it says in the introduction that she and Sollecito and Lumumba were initially arrested over the objections of the lead investigator. This is simply not true - in the sense that it was Monica Napoleoni who was the lead investigator. Her superior, Marco Chiacchiera was reported by **one source** (John Follain in his book) to have counselled that the three be released and monitored, not arrested. Since Follain adopted a True-Crime format for his book, there was no citation as to where he'd run into that allegation about Chiacchiera, and the allegation literally appears nowhere else. But Chiacchiera was not the lead investigator, and it now is hard to have that amended.

The talk-pages are a hoot. Now that the whole issue has been cleared up, and guilter-vandalization of the pages has been curbed; it's now the talk pages which contain all manner of conspiracy-theories as to why Wikipedia did this reversal.

One guilter-conspiratorial subsection on a Talk page, called "Self-evident bias," itself was shut-down by the new group of mods with this LOL reason: "Closing fruitless discussion, with obvious trolling sockpuppets." That happened 2 1/2 weeks ago! LOL!

All manner of conspiracy theories are there, including accounts of PR Supertankers controlling Wikipedia (and why not!? The PR conspiracy was supposed to have forced the Italian Supreme Court to falsely exonerate the pair!)

One might write a book about how Wikipedia alone fared in the on-line warfare. Yet to keep to the Wikipedia policies of neutral-point-of-view and verifiability, it is now a good thing that the articles are locked. Wikipedia has had to learn the hard way that a **neutral**-point-of-view, is not the same as not-having-a-point-of-view; or simply accepting all viewpoints as valid.
 
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<fx heavy sigh> Here we go again.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/08/kercher-trial-knox

If you'll excuse me, I'd rather watch the movie Homeward Bound II, about talking dogs, on tv, instead. They talk more sense :)

Wow that really changed things for me. From the article:

Blonde, bespectacled Filomena Romanelli also posed a string of problems for the defence. She said that when she returned to the house they shared on 2 November 2007 the washing machine was warm. She later identified most of the clothes inside as those of the victim, Meredith Kercher, a student at Leeds University.


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You do not understand how a court works. There are transcriptions of the court testimony. However, depositions aka witness statements, which Filomena Romanelli deposited with the court - as did all witnesses - and in which she signed a legal declaration the washing machine was "still warm" when she arrived home that day, IS ALSO COURT TESTIMONY, even if the judges only read them in their chambers.

Not everything in a deposition is cross-examined.

That's silly. Not to mention it negates your claim of the newspapers being accurate in reporting the testimony.

Your claim still, so show me the depositions where she says the washing machine was warm.
 
As Mez had been up to fifteen hours dead by then, someone else must have started the machine. All the the other roommates were away, except Amanda. Early reports claimed police heard the cycle just coming to a finish as they arrived and assumed the clothes at Mez' feet were due next in the machine.

All the more bizarre, as Amanda had never once used the machine (prior to that night) in all the six weeks she was there.


This was damning testimony. Clearly Meredith couldn't have started the load or it would have been done for hours and cool. This is huge. Many people here will have to reconsider their POV. I mean it couldn't really have been anyone but Amanda. Why didn't she claim to have come home and started it in the morning?

But an even bigger mystery is why mention of this devastating testimony and what it means didn't make the prosecutions case or the court's report.
 
No, that's false. The testimony indicates she did use the washing machine. The police testimony I quoted previously indicates they didn't even notice the washing machine when they arrived.

Rose remember old Stewarthome2000 the PMF court reporter? He reported that what the PGP had been ranting about, the warm and still running machine, had been mistaken and that the clothes in it were humid (damp) not warm. Harry Rag about had a cow and argued with him. Shortly thereafter he quit.
 
Rose remember old Stewarthome2000 the PMF court reporter? He reported that what the PGP had been ranting about, the warm and still running machine, had been mistaken and that the clothes in it were humid (damp) not warm. Harry Rag about had a cow and argued with him. Shortly thereafter he quit.

Yes, I remember that. I also remember Frank's recounting of Mignini questioning Filomena and the cops that were first to arrive on the scene about the washing machine running/warm. They didn't have a clue what he was talking about. Pretty funny. Vixen now claims it is in a deposition nobody, including Vixen, has ever seen. That's pretty amusing as well.
 
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Rose remember old Stewarthome2000 the PMF court reporter? He reported that what the PGP had been ranting about, the warm and still running machine, had been mistaken and that the clothes in it were humid (damp) not warm. Harry Rag about had a cow and argued with him. Shortly thereafter he quit.

In Italian, 'umido' is the same word used to describe warm weather. Whilst humidity is indeed a measure of moisture in the air, and not temperature, it is nonetheless commonly associated with warm conditions, insofar evaporating water (steam) is caused by heat.

You need to ask Kauffer and Rose why they inisted in resurrecting this long settled issue.
 
In Italian, 'umido' is the same word used to describe warm weather. Whilst humidity is indeed a measure of moisture in the air, and not temperature, it is nonetheless commonly associated with warm conditions, insofar evaporating water (steam) is caused by heat.

You need to ask Kauffer and Rose why they inisted in resurrecting this long settled issue.

I didn't bring it up, LOL.

Here is what Frank reported and it is supported by the actual testimony, unlike the Guardian

And so I was kind of surprised when the witnesses of November 2 were heard, at the trial, and the prosecutor would ask the all of them if the washing machine was working or warm. The prosecutor didn't forget anyone, he asked the postal police, Romanelli, Altieri, Zaroli, Grande... But there was nothing to do, under oath none of them could remember the washing machine spinning or hot. The guests didn't even know of its existence and Filomena had other to think about when she got to the house.

http://web.archive.org/web/20101015182441/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009_02_01_archive.html
 
That's silly. Not to mention it negates your claim of the newspapers being accurate in reporting the testimony.

Your claim still, so show me the depositions where she says the washing machine was warm.

You are the one who brought the subject up, so do your own research. You have access to the same resources as me.
 
In Italian, 'umido' is the same word used to describe warm weather. Whilst humidity is indeed a measure of moisture in the air, and not temperature, it is nonetheless commonly associated with warm conditions, insofar evaporating water (steam) is caused by heat.

You need to ask Kauffer and Rose why they inisted in resurrecting this long settled issue.
I thought you said you didn't speak Italian. How many more whoppers will you tell?
 
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