Treating Other People With Respect

Political correctness is a divisive and fascist methodology and has nothing to do with treating people with respect. I'm sure if I reprimanded Mr Gaiman for offending religious sensibilities by the frivolous deific title reference of his book 'American Gods,' he wouldn't thank me for pointing out his lack of respect for other people.

And indeed, the blasphemy present in Gaiman's very quote demonstrates a similar hypocrisy.
 
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The was a time when "retarded" was a clinical term, rather than a derogatory one. It became derogatory not because of the sound made when you say it, or even its basic meaning -- but because it is commonly used as an inappropriate metaphor.
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At what point do we need to stop making up new words to replace the former ones that have been misused in a derogatory fashion?

Probably when you land on a word or phrase that doesn't work as an insult. "Retarded/retard", and older once-clinical terms like "idiot" and "moron" are too easy to bark out as an insult. "Intellectually disabled" doesn't work that way (not sure if that is the current clinical term or not).
 
Burns defines emotional reasoning as assuming “that your negative emotions necessarily reflect the way things really are: ‘I feel it, therefore it must be true.’ ” Leahy, Holland, and McGinn define it as letting “your feelings guide your interpretation of reality.” But, of course, subjective feelings are not always trustworthy guides; unrestrained, they can cause people to lash out at others who have done nothing wrong. Therapy often involves talking yourself down from the idea that each of your emotional responses represents something true or important.

Emotional reasoning dominates many campus debates and discussions. A claim that someone’s words are “offensive” is not just an expression of one’s own subjective feeling of offendedness. It is, rather, a public charge that the speaker has done something objectively wrong. It is a demand that the speaker apologize or be punished by some authority for committing an offense.

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Everyone is supposed to rely upon his or her own subjective feelings to decide whether a comment by a professor or a fellow student is unwelcome, and therefore grounds for a harassment claim.

Emotional reasoning is now accepted as evidence.

If our universities are teaching students that their emotions can be used effectively as weapons—or at least as evidence in administrative proceedings—then they are teaching students to nurture a kind of hypersensitivity that will lead them into countless drawn-out conflicts in college and beyond. Schools may be training students in thinking styles that will damage their careers and friendships, along with their mental health.

The Coddling of the American Mind

That's all it is folks! It's all solved, we can go home, finally.
 
But I do get the impression that some people here might disagree with what it says - that "political correctness" is effectively synonymous with "treating other people with respect".

The term is a bit too fuzzy and ill defined to give a blanket answer. I think in many cases, yes, what some would call "political correctness", I would call something like "treating people with respect".

Since I'm not totally clear on the definition, I googled for examples of political correctness and was lead here: http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2011/10/07/11-cases-of-political-correctness-gone-mad/
(Putting aside whether the examples are accurate or not). Notice some of the examples contain words like "banned" or "outlawed" (e.g. examples 2 and 10) and others do not (e.g. examples 5 and 11). There is an important difference between these. Why anyone would be upset that a restaurant changed the name of one of its dishes from "Spotted Dick" to "Spotted Richard" or that a school decided to call its tree a "holiday tree" to make non-Christians feel more included is entirely beyond me. I don't see any downside. Why someone might object to something being "banned" or "outlawed" does make sense, though. Because then it isn't just about someone making a personal choice to be more respectful, it's about imposing your will on others. Sometimes forbidding certain behaviors or banning certain things is appropriate, but surely not in every instance.

Then there's the issue of opinions (i.e. as opposed to word choice). Can expressing a truly held social or political view be politically incorrect? If so, is it necessarily disrespectful to express a view that you think will offend some people?

Finally, there is the issue of retribution for political incorrectness and whether this sometimes goes too far. I don't know if that's beyond the scope of the thread.
 
Political Correctness is one of those terms like "Feminism" or "Socialism" that has ten different meanings to nine different people.

Indeed. It doesn't really make sense to sense to discuss it without being clear on what we're talking about.
 
The people who complain about political correctness also say dumb **** like, "why's it OK to have a BLACK entertainment channel???" The main problem with those people is that they would like to enforce an even more oppressive and doctrinaire regime of political correctness, one where politicians are supposed to wear flag pins, country music bands insulting a patriotic president on foreign soil deserve death threats, and anything uttered against our hero soldiers is grounds for treason (unless that soldier went AWOL and Obama brought him back home). When they start yammering about political correctness, Internet Cain says, "Oh, go **** a baby."

Yeah, I've noticed some of the people who complain about "PC run amok" are the types who are concerned about that there is a "war on christmas" because some people prefer to say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas". Or they are angry that there was a Super Bowl ad depicting people of various cultural backgrounds saying "I am an American". Their issue is not really with political correctness, it's that they have different standards concerning what ought to be deemed "correct".

They are only a subset of the people who complain about political correctness, though...
 
You want respect, you earn it.
No, I disagree, in every possible way.

There is no cause for disrespecting anybody before they give you a reason to. Every single human being on the planet is entitled to a baseline level of respect. If you want to go above that level, then yes, you have to earn it. But the baseline is not zero.

Tony Abbott, for example, gets zero respect from me. But that's because he earned it. If I had never heard of him and had no idea who he was, I would still treat him with politeness, courtesy and with consideration for his wishes. In other words, I would treat him a baseline level of respect - same as everybody else.

I absolutely deny that nobody deserves respect until they earn it. Someone who actually behaves with disrespect to other people who haven't done anything to deserve it is a terrible person.
 
Yeah, I've noticed some of the people who complain about "PC run amok" are the types who are concerned about that there is a "war on christmas" because some people prefer to say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas". Or they are angry that there was a Super Bowl ad depicting people of various cultural backgrounds saying "I am an American". Their issue is not really with political correctness, it's that they have different standards concerning what ought to be deemed "correct".

They are only a subset of the people who complain about political correctness, though...
I, much like Neil, find that the people who usually complain about "PC run amok" tend to be those who want to feel free to make racist jokes.
 
No, I disagree, in every possible way.

There is no cause for disrespecting anybody before they give you a reason to. Every single human being on the planet is entitled to a baseline level of respect. If you want to go above that level, then yes, you have to earn it. But the baseline is not zero.

Tony Abbott, for example, gets zero respect from me. But that's because he earned it. If I had never heard of him and had no idea who he was, I would still treat him with politeness, courtesy and with consideration for his wishes. In other words, I would treat him a baseline level of respect - same as everybody else.

I absolutely deny that nobody deserves respect until they earn it. Someone who actually behaves with disrespect to other people who haven't done anything to deserve it is a terrible person.
I don't disrepect anyone without cause. I simply don't respect them without cause either.
 
I don't disrepect anyone without cause. I simply don't respect them without cause either.
So there's a middle ground somewhere that is neither respect nor disrespect? I don't believe that's true, but I suspect that it's more of a problem with definitions than it is with behaviour.
 
So there's a middle ground somewhere that is neither respect nor disrespect? I don't believe that's true, but I suspect that it's more of a problem with definitions than it is with behaviour.

Nope, the middle ground is "I don't care". If you aren't clear on that I'll give you an old homily: "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference."
 
Nope, the middle ground is "I don't care". If you aren't clear on that I'll give you an old homily: "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference."
I disagree that that is an appropriate analogy. Love and respect aren't the same thing. You can not love someone, and at the same time not hate them. Respect is different. Absence of respect is disrespect.
 
The terms illegal alien or undocumented immigrant; either seems okay to me. Undocumented immigrant seems more precise when referring to persons who have entered the U.S. (or any other country) illegally.

The suggestion that people who use the term undocumented immigrant really don't respect undocumented immigrants. Have they done a study on that? (That's a joke.)

Seriously, you hear comments like that. 'That these people who always try to appear politically correct secretly disrespect _____________ (fill in the blank) as much as I do.' I think that's really what it's about. People who are greatly annoyed by immigrants or blacks or gays or diversity or on and on and on, are convinced that people who appear NOT to be annoyed are merely faking it.

And they find that to be the most annoying of all!
 
Well, I hope you're happy feeling that way, because I'm indifferent to your attitude.

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I don't disrepect anyone without cause. I simply don't respect them without cause either.

So there's a middle ground somewhere that is neither respect nor disrespect? I don't believe that's true, but I suspect that it's more of a problem with definitions than it is with behaviour.

Well, there certainly is - treating people neutrally.

I would say this is possibly the only thing GS and I agree on.

Respect is earned, not accorded just because. It is not a human right. Treating people fairly and equitably is not respect.

I'm sure you're right about definitions, because it seems to me you just don't understand what the word "respect" actually means:

http://www.onelook.com/?w=respect&ls=a
 
Argument by dictionary?

Yes, I see that the dictionary definition provided here does differ somewhat from what I have been taught my whole life. I have no explanation for that.
 
Argument by dictionary?

Yes, I see that the dictionary definition provided here does differ somewhat from what I have been taught my whole life. I have no explanation for that.

The way most people I know use the words, both respect and disrespect are rare, the same as trust and distrust.
 

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