Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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It was nice to visit. I recommend that everyone here Google the Lincoln Assassination. It will blow your mind! Talk to you all later.
 
Bruce Fischer said:
But hey, no one is stopping anyone from continuing on the merry go round. I am much more interested in the Lincoln assassination. Would a bullet proof hat have saved him? Did the Pope really order the hit? If Lincoln was shorter, would he still be alive today? Not likely, but nothing would surprise me at this point! The possibilities are endless.
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How about if some idiot did not stick a probe in Lincoln's brain? That was against medical advice even then.
 
I fear Bruce Fisher has gone and even if he hasn't he's probably not up for giving an opinion but I'll ask anyway:

A number of people currently posting in this thread have presented a lot of evidence that seems to point to a substantial suppression of evidence against Guede.

Did you ever develop a firm opinion about this apparent evidence suppression? I'd appreciate anything you felt like saying about this issue even if it was just to say that you had discussed this issue in your book.
 
Bruce Fischer said:
Hi RWVBWL.
I honestly don't remember if that footage was ever available. I no longer research this case. It's over. I have moved on to other cases
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Right on,
thanks for the info.

Too bad you can not help me out,
for this info has apparently never been publicly revealed,
and it would be interesting to see if blood drops were indeed seen
on Stefano's bed on November 2nd, '07.

Especially if we could prove,
by simply watching a video,
that Dr. Stefanoni lied again on the stand.

You do know that PM Mignini was nearby
as Flyin' Squardon officer Zugarini broke in the boyz window, right?

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I wonder if PM Mig'i went inside the boyz flat when their door was opened?

I'm gettin' a bit of a weekened buzz as I sip a cold cocktail
and watch some live Pro Surfin' go down right now in Tahiti:
http://www.worldsurfleague.com/events/2015/mct/1267/billabong-pro-tahiti/live

So I'll betcha a Jack + Coke
that PM Mig'i did indeed enter the boyz downstairs flat
after Zugarini kicked in the window and entrance was finally gained.
PM Mignini should have been seen on the missing 11 minutes + 16 seconds of video
from the Downstairs Crime Scene on Nov. 2nd.

What if Mig'i is seen inside Stefano's bedroom
and lots of blood is seen on Stefano's bed and duvet?

Stefanoni is then a "lying lier",
a term that ISF member RoseMontague created.
And Dr. Comodi and PM Mignini are,
what???


Bruce Fischer said:
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There is no logical reason to continue debating this case on a daily basis
and many some the few that remain look pathetic while doing it.
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Heya Bruce Fischer,
I though, am still interested in this case
that we here at The ISF like to discuss,
daily.

Who the **** are you to tell me that I,
(and others also still interested in doing so too),
look pathetic for doin' so!?!
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:mad:


Look man,
years ago, back in Nov. 2010 when Miss Knox was still imprisoned after the Massei Trial verdict,
I wrote this here, on The JREF, back when you too were a "Phil Connors" so to say:

PSS-Platonov,
Professional surfers were some of the 1st sportsmen to boycott South Africa due to it history of apartheid, and in the mid 1980's I watched a well known "DogTown" surfer spray paint, graffiti-style, a large "Free South Africa" at a booth right next to where former South African World Surfing Champion Shaun Tomson had set up his booth for "Surfbeat", a surfshop he had opened in Santa Monica, California, of all places.

That Nelson Mandella became president of South Africa still boggles my mind many years later.
Who would have ever thought that would happen?

If Amanda Knox is freed sometime soon,
who knows what good she too might accomplish with the rest of her life?
Peace, RW
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Bruce Fischer,
when I wrote this,
I kinda envisioned Miss Knox doing something
like the mission that you have now endeavored upon. Not you.
Ya know, Miss Knox publicly arguin' for justice against The System for what she,
and many others believed, was an unjust conviction and imprisonment.

Heck,
I'm sure there are plenty of unjust convictions like from Perugia, Italy
here in the U.S.A.,
right?

Esh,
I can still recall how you mis-spelled your last name here on The JREF
and then also arguin' with Alfukugood
on the early incarnation of your website.

But with that said,
my time is my own.

Who the heck are you,
a dude runnin' an LLC nowadays,
(a dude who joined up here on The JREF, now The ISF,
back in 2010 at the same time as myself in April '10),
to tell me what the **** I oughta be doin' with my free time?
You don't write me a paycheck, buddy boy!
Pfffft.
:)
RW



Bruce Fischer said:
Thanks for the link.
The guy appears to be very talented. <snip>

http://www.jayfisher.com/index.html
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You're welcome,
Bruce Fischer.

Yes, indeed,
the guy designs and creates some incredible work.
My 2¢ only,
RW


PS - If you ever wanna help us pathetic individuals
who still like to daily debate this case here on The ISF that we are interested in,
please ask Charlie Wilkes or Raff or Miss Knox or their lawyers
if they can watch an old DVD and see if there is an original copy of the video
from the Downstairs Crime Scene.

Heck,
maybe then they would share this with us,
the pathetic folks who are still interested in this horrible rape + murder.

I'd really luv to see PM Mignini inside Stefano Bosnini's bedroom
on that 1st day, with all the blood on Stefano's bed
on those deleted, err, lost, err, missing 11 minutes + 16 seconds of footage.

Or watch PM Mignini wander around the boyz flat
after the video dude some how turned off the camera,
or deleted the scenes that followed the filming the marijuana nursery,
who never apparently entered any of the boyz bedrooms downstairs
on the day of discovering Miss Kercher raped + murdered upstairs...
RW
 
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RWVBWL said:
Right on,
thanks for the info.

Too bad you can not help me out,
for this info has apparently never been publicly revealed,
and it would be interesting to see if blood drops were indeed seen
on Stefano's bed on November 2nd, '07.

Especially if we could prove,
by simply watching a video,
that Dr. Stefanoni lied again on the stand.
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You already know Stefanoni lied. Why are you spending time trying to prove her a bigger liar? What's the point? Who will it help? What will it accomplish?




RWVBWL said:
I though, am still interested in this case
that we here at The ISF like to discuss,
daily.

Who the **** are you to tell me that I,
(and others also still interested in doing so too),
look pathetic for doin' so!?!
:confused:
:mad:
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I have repeatedly said that no one was stopping you. Stay on the merry go round as long as you like. But if you stop and think about it, you know as well as I do that it's pathetic. I am certainly not in any position to preach. I debated far too long myself. The internet promotes debate and it's easy to get caught up in it. But those who continue to hang on should really stop and think about whether there is any point to it. There is something about this case that some people just can't shake. We advocate for others that are desperate for attention and no one cares. But people continue to cling to a case that is over. It is truly odd. I wish I could figure it out. I wish we could bring just a small fraction of the attention this case has garnered to other cases we believe in.

There are topics surrounding this case that are worth discussing, because they can help bring knowledge and understanding to other cases. But arguing back and forth for eternity about the tired details of the case, like cat blood, footprints, shoeprints, cartwheels, and on and on, is useless at this point. Working to correct police and prosecutorial misconduct would be a great discussion to have.

RWVBWL said:
I kinda envisioned Miss Knox doing something
like the mission that you have now endeavored upon. Not you
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Who says that Amanda has no plans to try and help others? give it time. And why not me?
 
RWVBWL said:
Right on,
thanks for the info.
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Looking back, my wording was poor. When I used the word pathetic, I had not intended to call anyone pathetic. I intended to call the endless debate pathetic. Every detail of this case has been discussed over and over again. As I said, look back one year, or two, or three. The discussion looks the same. At what point to you come to realize that you will not reach an agreement?

It would be great if people here were investigating Stefanoni or Mignini to try to get a better understanding about misconduct and how to prevent it in the future. But is that really the case for anyone here? Or are people just stuck in the endless debate online?
 
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Bruce Fischer,
I can agree with what you wrote above,
heck I've read some of your, my own, and Fulcanelli's earlier postings here on The JREF,
err The ISF today.

But with that said,
I'd still like your help.

Though I was still kinda young at the time,
I seem to recall that it was some video, err tapes
that brought down President Nixon back when we were kids,
right?


If the video shows PM Mignini
in Stefano Bonassi's bedroom with blood
on his bed and duvet on Nov. 2nd, 2007,
give it to OGGI or La Repubblica and let them run with it.
PM Mignini would need to be called out for this,
in my humble surfers opinion.

The cat did not leave it there,
Rudy Guede or someone else did.

If the missing 11 minutes + 16 seconds show that PM Mignini and Dr. Comodi
knew that Dr. Stefanoni is lying about the cat's blood,
the same cat that Edgardo Giobbi
head of SCO (Rome's central Service Organization)
said jumped up and turned on, or was that turned off,
the light switch downstairs,
(thanks again #'s!!!)
well maybe you might, with the power of your website behind you,
show up these folks to be the fools
that some of us believe them to be...


Can ya get my drift now?
My 2¢ only,
:)
RW
 
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Bruce Fischer said:
There is something about this case that some people just can't shake. We advocate for others that are desperate for attention and no one cares. But people continue to cling to a case that is over. It is truly odd. I wish I could figure it out.
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IMO it's the most outlandish and improbable wrongful conviction in modern history, in a supposedly modern court, and by quite a wide margin. Not counting obviously corrupt jurisdictions like Pol Pot executing people for counter revolutionary thoughts, or a southern lynch mob hanging the first black guy they came across after a rape, etc.
 
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davefoc said:
I fear Bruce Fisher has gone and even if he hasn't he's probably not up for giving an opinion but I'll ask anyway:

A number of people currently posting in this thread have presented a lot of evidence that seems to point to a substantial suppression of evidence against Guede.

Did you ever develop a firm opinion about this apparent evidence suppression? I'd appreciate anything you felt like saying about this issue even if it was just to say that you had discussed this issue in your book.
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Unfortunately I don't think we will never know the full truth about Guede. I don't ever see the Perugian authorities admitting that they had interest in protecting him before he committed a horrible crime. In fact, we can only speculate that they were attempting to protect him. Their actions sure are suspicious but I doubt anything will come of it.

See, here I am discussing the case after saying it was pathetic to carry on. I guess my point is that I wish the discussions would move forward to attempt to learn from what happened so we can help prevent it from happening again in the future. Use the case as a learning tool so that some good can eventually come out of something that was incredibly horrible. I doubt many people have interest in that tho. Arguing guilt or innocence is more entertaining.
 
RWVBWL said:
Bruce Fischer,
I can agree with what you wrote above,
heck I've read some of your, my own, and Fulcanelli's earlier postings here on The JREF,
err The ISF today.
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I will admit that many of my posts while discussing the case with Fulcanelli were just silly. I was here messing with the guy. He deserved it. :)
 
bagels said:
IMO it's the most outlandish and improbable wrongful conviction in modern history, in a supposedly modern court, and by quite a wide margin. Not counting obviously corrupt jurisdictions like Pol Pot executing people for counter revolutionary thoughts, or a southern lynch mob hanging the first black guy they came across after a rape, etc.
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There are many as outlandish convictions. . . . Many of who I have posted on these forums or on Injustice Anywhere.

I keep running across cases where I start yelling "How can they convict." In fact, all I can say is that I am afraid of the legal system in general.
 
Bruce Fischer said:
I will admit that many of my posts while discussing the case with Fulcanelli were just silly. I was here messing with the guy. He deserved it. :)
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We,
you, I,
Professor Chris Halkides, LondonJohn, Charlie Wilkes,
Mary H, Katy_Did, ChristianaHannah, RoseMontague, Justinian, Dan O., Danceme, Magister, Mathew Best, Malkmus
and many others had fun debatin' + playing whack-a- mole with the pro-guilters,
right?

Thanks again for all you've done,
bro!!!
:thumbsup:

Now can ya please dig up
or ask around for those lost Down Stairs vidz???
Thanks!
RW


ETA - Bruce Fischer,
if you have a moment,
please look at that photo I added later a few posts up above,
wouldn't you too luv to see PM Mignini,
(seen in that Down Stairs Crime Scene video screen grab)
enterin' the Down Stairs pad+ then lookin' closely at the cat's(?) blood
on Stefano's bed and duvet on November 2nd at around 4:43pm?
Or the light switch?

This 1's for you Grinder!
Surely PM Mignini entered the boyz Down Stairs flat
on November 2nd, 2007.

Wouldn't you agree,
Grinder?

Where's the video?
 
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Desert Fox said:
There are many as outlandish convictions. . . . Many of who I have posted on these forums or on Injustice Anywhere.

I keep running across cases where I start yelling "How can they convict." In fact, all I can say is that I am afraid of the legal system in general.
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And did those cases include a defendant who was fully acquitted by a judge and jury, only to have the highest court in the land overturn the acquittal, because a witness correctly guessed their eye color a year after the fact, when the defendant had been on every tv station and newspaper in the world?
 
Bill Williams said:
The problem with engaging other cases of wrongful prosecution/conviction is that this one generated so much content (see Massei, Nencini, Mignini/Comodi, not to mention bizarre websites which generated more heat than light). Other cases appear more straightforward, really - one case in the States perhaps rises to the level of bizarreness when it was revealed that the prosecutor and lead investigator of a wrongful conviction were having a secret love affair.
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Bruce Fischer said:
Isn't that a great reason to speak out? Many cases are very straightforward, yet people suffer in prison for decades before mistakes are corrected. We should not need guilters and "bizarre websites" to cause us to become angry about injustice. Innocent people currently need help..
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Take the Nyki Kish case. How many times can one say, "Justice Nordheimer first set up the problems with convicting with this kind of circumstantial, multi-witness melee where no two witnesses say the same thing.... then he violates his own wisdom by stitching together a complete fantasy?"

It's about generating legitimate chatter. It's about that kind of chatter which reaches a critical mass to sustain webpages with insights, etc.

The "great reason to speak out," is the injustice itself. Yet for some reason by sheer volume the Kercher murder has sustained a lot of keypresses and guaranteed page-clicks.
 
Bill Williams said:
Take the Nyki Kish case. How many times can one say, "Justice Nordheimer first set up the problems with convicting with this kind of circumstantial, multi-witness melee where no two witnesses say the same thing.... then he violates his own wisdom by stitching together a complete fantasy?"

It's about generating legitimate chatter. It's about that kind of chatter which reaches a critical mass to sustain webpages with insights, etc.

The "great reason to speak out," is the injustice itself. Yet for some reason by sheer volume the Kercher murder has sustained a lot of keypresses and guaranteed page-clicks.
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look at the Barry Beach case, or Russ Faria. Both are incredibly ridiculous. Everyone involved knows Beach is innocent. Others have confessed to the crime! He was out for 18 months before the supreme court overturned the ruling that granted him a new trial. After being set free, and working to prepare himself for a new trial, the rug was pulled out from under him and he was sent back to serve life. The Faria case is equally insane. Where is the outrage?

Yet, we still have people arguing whether or not Amanda's shoe print was on a pillow. It's mind boggling.
 
Bruce Fischer said:
I will look into it. But I believe we already have all of the video footage online that we had access to.
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Can you possibly ask [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele Sollecito [/SIZE]
or Miss Knox if they can ask if their defense attorneys still have this original video
from Down Stairs on November 2nd, 2007?

Dan O.,
a very respected former member here,
who still posts on your site, says that ILE did not delete them,
but that they were accidently deleted.

They should still be around somewhere...

Dude,
your LLC owns and/or runs this site, right?:
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/

Don't you too
wanna see PM Mignini
sniffin' around the Down Stairs Crime Scene
on Nov. 2nd???

PM Mig'i was standing outside,
right next to the door downstairs when that Flyier,
officer Lornena Zugarini did those 2 waaa-gaaa
karate kicks to send that doorway glass a flyin' inward.

It was this sharp broken glass that had injured the cat
that Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni said in testimony to The Massei Court,
and almost made them look like fools,
IIRC...

If PM Mignini,
on the day Miss Kercher was discovered raped + murdered,
went downstairs, which we have already seen to be true,
and did indeed enter the boyz flat
+ saw blood on Stefano's bed, and his duvet
or in the small bathroom,
or on the light switch,
well???
:confused:


Thanks again,
Bruce Fischer,
for the help figurin' out this case
that we here on The ISF,
and elsewhere, still like to discuss!
RW
 
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