Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Diocletus]

How did it change things for Raf? According to them the three killed Meredith and it doesn't matter who plunged the fatal wound. Each guilty judge changed the story and still convicted. Massei didn't but Mignini for example.

Mignini has no case if he can't put a knife in Knox's hand and then tie it back to Raf's apartment.

 

[Ken Dine]

The original contention was that his blood was found and there is no evidence or source to establish that.

I have already posted a DNA expert's analysis of Stefanoni's work (based upon Stef's work that was published, and obviously not completely released w/ much of it suppressed). Reading between the lines of what Stefanoni did release, there are strong indications that Guede's blood was found on several items, such as her purse and sweatshirt sleeve.

That DNA expert's opinion may not rise to the level of probability to meet your exacting standards, but considering what we now know about Stefanoni, coupled with the fact that Guede had surely cut himself during his attack on Meredith, I would be surprised if Guede didn't leave some of his blood behind in Meredith's bedroom.

After 17 days most light cuts are healed in my experience. If he was cut enough to bleed enough to expect his blood being found and still visible after 17 days, I would think they would be pretty good cuts and noticeable.

Over the years I've cut myself many times on my hands and shed blood all over the place, but the bleeding usually stops well within an hour. Afterwards, I've gone into public, to the market etc., and never had anyone notice my recent cuts.

If he had noticeable cuts it would be nerve racking to go out in public only a couple of hours later.

I donate blood every 2 months, and they wrap my arm in large elastic bandages. I like to stop and shop on the way home, so I ask for a small bandaid, and when I reach the market 20 minutes after donating blood, I remove the large bandage a use the small bandaid, which no one notices.

Unless you have a medical problem, or cut yourself so deeply that you need stitches, bleeding in most people stops relatively fast.

Guede went dancing 4 or 5 hours after the murder, which was plenty of time to stop the bleeding, and clubs are generally dark, so even if he did bleed a bit, likely no one would have noticed (squeezing a bar napkin for a few minutes would resolve any residual bleeding and be discrete).

So they hid three pieces by your account before knowing the game plan?

You seriously feel that Stefanoni was completely forthcoming with the results of her testing?

REALLY?

It makes no sense to me that after identifying Rudi multiple times they would hide his blood evidence.

REALLY? You have that much faith in Stefanoni?

The alleged cuts look much more like defensive wounds to me.

Based upon your EXPERT opinion?

Seriously, you don't seem to have much experience with cuts, so you're probably a prissy man ...not saying that in a negative way, just that men with more active pursuits often cut themselves more than do other men, and I sense that you haven't worked with your hands very much?

Not knowing your qualifications on such matters, I prefer the Professional Opinion From Veteran FBI Agent Steve Moore (RETIRED) over your opinion:

INJURIES TO THE ASSAILANT(S)
3. There would have been bruises, cuts and other injuries to Amanda and Raffaele.

It is a rare occurrence when a frenzied fight involving a knife does not involve injuries to both parties, even when one is assumed to be larger and stronger than the other.

When I was on an FBI SWAT Team, we had an exercise designed to teach us the dangers of trying to fight off a knife attack. A red magic-marker played the part of a knife, and an “assailant” would attempt to attack another member of the SWAT Team with it. We did this in white t-shirts and open sleeves so we could see the wounds. Within seconds, the assailant had usually dispatched the victim with stabs and slashing attacks to the neck and torso, as the victim fought back desperately. ]Without exception though, the attacker was “cut”. Always. And almost every time on the hands or fingers. This is because the victim, in attempting to fight off a knife, reaches for the hands, which deflects the knife into fingers or other parts of the hands. In addition to the “cuts”, there were bruises and lacerations simply from elbows and arms flying.

Also, folding knives have no ‘hilt’, a perpendicular piece between the knife handle and blade to keep your hand from sliding forward when using the knife for stabbing. When this happens, the attacker usually receives slash injuries to his finger just below (or in the vicinity of) the second knuckle. Amanda could not have known that. She had no such cuts. Rudy Guede, when arrested had such cuts across three of his fingers. One piece of evidence used against O.J. Simpson in his stabbing/slashing murder trial was that he had a severe cut on his finger, likely inflicted during a stabbing motion when his hand slid over the blade.
In the FBI, I have been involved in several physical altercations, including a couple of attempts to take a knife away from a person. Each of those events ended in all parties having bruises and/or cuts. And these people weren’t fighting for their life; they were just fighting to keep from being arrested. Meredith had 46 wounds consistent with a fight for her life. Rudy had just such cuts on his hand. If Meredith had been attacked by three people, is it plausible that in all of Meredith’s fighting that she was unable to inflict a single scratch or a bruise on either of her other two attackers? Not really.

Neither Raffaele nor Amanda had a bruise on their body, not a cut, not a scratch. Amanda had a small mark on her neck that was proven to be nothing. There was not a single hair of theirs in the room. Raffaele’s glasses were not broken or bent. They were NOT involved in any struggle with Meredith.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI2.html

 

[Diocletus]

Yes I know Rudi was the fourth, that was my point. They found his evidence and disclosed it. They originally were looking for a penknife and they all had the knife outline from early on so the multiple knife theory was in place as soon as they tested Raf's and "found" Meredith's DNA. The multiple knife theory had much more to do with some of wounds and the outline than the issues about DNA.

I don't know what you're trying to say here. They didn't disclose the DNA results (for 6 months).

I don't believe that they had a good read on the imprint and neck wounds until much later. As soon as they found that Rep. 36 had DNA on it, they thought that was the one and only murder weapon. There was no second weapon until well into trial.

 

[carbonjam72]

Mignini has no case if he can't put a knife in Knox's hand and then tie it back to Raf's apartment.

I actually have to wonder about this Diocletus.

Logically of course I agree with you. But have Mignini and the Italian judiciary always been strictly bound by logic?

When Mignini had the corpse of Dr Narducci dug up and tested for DNA, and it confirmed that it was Narducci, Mignini decided there must have been a "double swap", that the body had been switched back before being dug up just to discredit the investigation.

I think when you have a raging lunatic like Mignini leading an investigation, there's no theory too crazy for them to embrace.

To this day, Mach argues for the whole banana, no matter how many times he's been handed his hat.

BUt it would complicate the case for Mignini, no doubt. I'm just questioning whether even that would cause Mignini to admit he was wrong about villifying two college kids. I just don't think he has it in him. Very special guy, Mignini.

 

[Grinder]

Well Ken in the spirit given by you to me I'd say you haven't done much in deductive thinking. I in fact earned a living through my school years assembling all type of boat trailers and still do much of the fix it work around the house. I do try to avoid cutting myself but did recently jab myself with a box cutter before assembling the girlfriends couch after moving it by Uhaul to her condo.

The fact is that all your attempts do not validate your original statement that Rudi's DNA was found in abundance in his own blood on the purse and the sweater.

Here's a hint: Having a needle in your arm for blood donation (good on you) isn't remotely the same as having slash wounds that can be seen (in new scars ) almost three weeks later. Also a guy wildly attacking another with free hands and a trained agent isn't similar to an athlete killing a tiny woman. Useless comparison. Your sources seem almost exclusively from PI sites. The specific guy also maintained that Mignini said they had bleach receipts from the 2nd and he said it at the "case closed" presser that he didn't attend. You might also look at his CV and see exactly what his job was.

The part about a knife with no hilt is interesting because the defense experts insisted that the fatal wound couldn't be from the kitchen knife because there was a bruise FROM the HILT which meant the entire knife needed to be pushed in and the kitchen knife was too long and would have needed to be stopped partially in.

Yes my opinion when stated as my opinion is in fact my opinion.

There are no indications that his blood was found at the cottage. If he cut himself there it is almost a 100% chance that some was left there, but that's not the same as saying his DNA in own blood was found there.

Did I miss the source of Rudi's own blood being found at his apartment in abundance?

What I don't get is that you stated Rudi's blood was found at the cottage. I've followed the case closely from day one and didn't remember that. I asked for a link and get a PI site that says "perhaps" it was Rudi's blood. So no, his blood wasn't found or at least it isn't known to be found. Now a long string needs to be formed with the ILE hiding his blood because it would ruin the case against AK, instead of just saying "I guess there isn't proof of his blood being found.

 

[Ken Dine]

The "fourth" guy was Rudy: Knox, Sollecito, Lumumba and (4) Rudy. This is what they tried to say when the realized that Sollecito and Lumumba didn't match the vaginal swab dna. Instead of disclosing the non-match, they just said that there was a fourth guy.

And, as I recall, they didn't come up with multiple knives until later, only after the defense raised colorable challenges to the dna work on "the" knife. So, at the time they were releasing/suppressing lab results, there was only one knife, and it was critical that that knife be Rep. 36 and not some other knife traceable to the hand of Rudy Guede.

Actually, it wasn't the DNA (36B) on Raffaele's kitchen knife which forced the prosecution into their 2-knife scenario.

As the defense correctly pointed out, the two stabbing wounds in Meredith's neck were far too narrow to have been made by Raffaele's kitchen knife, so the prosecution in desperation subsequently claimed that Amanda had used the larger kitchen knife to make the wider gash on Meredith's neck.

Actually, a small knife consistent with the two smaller stab wounds could have also made the larger gash by using the smaller knife in a sawing motion.

It was a very brutal murder. Guede should rot in Hell!

 

[Kauffer]

How did it change things for Raf? According to them the three killed Meredith and it doesn't matter who plunged the fatal wound. Each guilty judge changed the story and still convicted. Massei didn't but Mignini for example.

It mattered entirely. The nonsense motives got reworked but it was always Svengali Amanda leading her pathetic male suitors into the fray and it was essential to the story that she administered the fatal wounds. That was the crazy notion they sold to the court without a spec of real physical evidence.

If Guede stabbed Kercher, the whole edifice crumbles away - now the kitchen knife is out - too large for the small wounds and there's no Guede DNA on it. It's the only piece of 'evidence' they could argue connected Amanda to the room - as laughable as the connection is.

 

[Grinder]

I don't know what you're trying to say here. They didn't disclose the DNA results (for 6 months).

I don't believe that they had a good read on the imprint and neck wounds until much later. As soon as they found that Rep. 36 had DNA on it, they thought that was the one and only murder weapon. There was no second weapon until well into trial.

I suggest you read the reports from police leaks in the first week. They called the murder weapon a penknife. They released forensic evidence about the fourth man before Rudi was arrested.

Nov. 5,2007

Luca Lalli, a pathologist who carried out a post-mortem examination, said Miss Kercher was killed with a penknife.
He added: "I can confirm that Miss Kercher may have been sexually active before the death, but it was definitely not a rape."
The killer is also thought to have left through the front door, locking Miss Kercher's body in the bedroom and taking the key.
Detectives think he used a rock to smash the bedroom window to trick investigators into thinking there had been a break-in. "The whole of the inside of the house was a complete mess," said Mr Chiacchiera.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...h-student-had-sex-with-killer-say-police.html

 

[Kauffer]

I suggest you read the reports from police leaks in the first week. They called the murder weapon a penknife. They released forensic evidence about the fourth man before Rudi was arrested.

Nov. 5,2007

Luca Lalli, a pathologist who carried out a post-mortem examination, said Miss Kercher was killed with a penknife.
He added: "I can confirm that Miss Kercher may have been sexually active before the death, but it was definitely not a rape."
The killer is also thought to have left through the front door, locking Miss Kercher's body in the bedroom and taking the key.
Detectives think he used a rock to smash the bedroom window to trick investigators into thinking there had been a break-in. "The whole of the inside of the house was a complete mess," said Mr Chiacchiera.
​

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...h-student-had-sex-with-killer-say-police.html

Thus is kind of interesting because it is unguarded - prior to the final interrogation. Once they got the kitchen knife, the 'penknife' didn't resurface again until much later when not even the prosecutor could maintain that the larger knife made all the wounds.

 

[Grinder]

It mattered entirely. The nonsense motives got reworked but it was always Svengali Amanda leading her pathetic male suitors into the fray and it was essential to the story that she administered the fatal wounds. That was the crazy notion they sold to the court without a spec of real physical evidence.

If Guede stabbed Kercher, the whole edifice crumbles away - now the kitchen knife is out - too large for the small wounds and there's no Guede DNA on it. It's the only piece of 'evidence' they could argue connected Amanda to the room - as laughable as the connection is.

I take it you haven't read Massei.

A motive, therefore, of an erotic, sexually violent nature which, arising from the choice of evil made by Rudy, found active collaboration from Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito​

Does read like Amanda was a Svengali? Sounds like Massei had Rudi leading the pack of drugged up sex fiends.

 

[Diocletus]

I suggest you read the reports from police leaks in the first week. They called the murder weapon a penknife. They released forensic evidence about the fourth man before Rudi was arrested.

Nov. 5,2007

Luca Lalli, a pathologist who carried out a post-mortem examination, said Miss Kercher was killed with a penknife.
He added: "I can confirm that Miss Kercher may have been sexually active before the death, but it was definitely not a rape."
The killer is also thought to have left through the front door, locking Miss Kercher's body in the bedroom and taking the key.
Detectives think he used a rock to smash the bedroom window to trick investigators into thinking there had been a break-in. "The whole of the inside of the house was a complete mess," said Mr Chiacchiera.
​

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...h-student-had-sex-with-killer-say-police.html

Is this quote based on an actual interview of Lalli? I doubt it. It sounds suspiciously like the arrest warrant.

In any event, I don't know whether Lalli used the word "penknife" (however that translates in Italian). But I do know that these leaks do not establish a "two knife theory".

First, they had the Sollecito knife that he brought in his pocket to the police station, i.e., a penknife.

Next, they collected a flick knife and kitchen knife at Sollecito's place.

Next, they got a dna "hit" for 36b.

At no time did they argue two different knives until trial, I suspect when it was shown pretty conclusively that the kitchen knife didn't match the sheet imprint.

I'm not sure where you think this leads, but the bottom line is that knocking the kitchen knife out would have been devastating to the prosecution's case. They couldn't have just turned around and said that Amanda used a different knife because they didn't have it, and they certainly didn't have a dna tie-in. 36b was the only tangible evidence they thought they had against Knox.

 

[Diocletus]

I actually have to wonder about this Diocletus.

Logically of course I agree with you. But have Mignini and the Italian judiciary always been strictly bound by logic?

When Mignini had the corpse of Dr Narducci dug up and tested for DNA, and it confirmed that it was Narducci, Mignini decided there must have been a "double swap", that the body had been switched back before being dug up just to discredit the investigation.

I think when you have a raging lunatic like Mignini leading an investigation, there's no theory too crazy for them to embrace.

To this day, Mach argues for the whole banana, no matter how many times he's been handed his hat.

BUt it would complicate the case for Mignini, no doubt. I'm just questioning whether even that would cause Mignini to admit he was wrong about villifying two college kids. I just don't think he has it in him. Very special guy, Mignini.

Allright, well, maybe he would have had a crazy-ass case. But not a real one.

 

[Numbers]

Numbers, I'm sure you posted a case before with regard to the ECHR's position on unrecorded interrogations where claims were made by the applicant of abusive treatment. How has the court resolved this, particularly with regard to art 3 claims where the country concerned has been unable to adduce any evidence other than that of the interrogators' testimony as a defence?

I'm not sure if I am on the right track regarding your request, but any interrogation statements not fully and accurately contemporaneously recorded and agreed to during and after the interrogation by the interrogated person who was assisted during the relevant interrogation by a lawyer of his or her choice will be questioned by the ECHR.

Here is an excerpt from the judgment in PISHCHALNIKOV v. RUSSIA 7025/04 24/09/2009:

82. In this connection the Court observes, and it was not disputed by the parties, that, following his first two interrogations on 15 and 16 December 1998, the applicant rejected legal assistance during the majority of the pre-trial interrogations. This assertion is confirmed by the extracts from the investigative records presented by the Government. Although there is no evidence that the applicant’s refusals had not been made voluntarily and knowingly, the Court finds it unexplainable that during purely formal procedural investigative steps the applicant was always assisted by legal aid counsel, while he usually refused legal assistance when he had to answer the investigators’ questions (see paragraphs 11 and 14 above). The Court also does not lose sight of the Regional Court’s finding, pertaining to statements made by the applicant’s co-defendants while in police custody. In particular, the Regional Court held that the defendants’ refusals of legal assistance could not be considered voluntary in a situation where, in fact, they had never been granted access to counsel (see paragraph 24 above).

83. Furthermore, the Court is unable to establish what statements the applicant made during the subsequent interrogations, as the Government did not produce the full text of the interrogation records, save for the one of the investigative experiment conducted on 17 December 1998. The Court considers it peculiar that the Government limited themselves to submitting extracts from the investigative records bearing the applicant’s personal information and his handwritten refusals of legal assistance. However, the Court does not find it necessary to establish the exact content of the statements made by the applicant during the subsequent criminal proceedings as it will in any event reject, for the reasons laid down below, the Government’s argument pertaining to the alleged insignificance of the applicant’s confessions made, in the lawyer’s absence, on 15 and 16 December 1998.

85. The Court observes that during the first two days after his arrest, on 15 and 16 December 1998, the applicant, having had no access to counsel, made statements incriminating himself and a number of other individuals in a large range of criminal activities, including particularly grave and serious crimes. The Court has already concluded that, having been denied legal assistance, the applicant was unable to make the correct assessment of the consequences his decision to confess would have on the outcome of the criminal case (see paragraph 80 above). In the absence of assistance by counsel, who could have provided legal advice and technical skills, the applicant could not make full and knowledgeable use of his rights afforded by the criminal-procedural law.

86. Moreover, his difficult situation was compounded by the fact that he was surrounded by the police and prosecution authorities, experts in the field of criminal proceedings, who are well-equipped with various, often psychologically coercive, interrogation techniques which facilitate, or even prompt, receipt of information from an accused. The Government did not dispute that the police had opted for intense interrogations of the applicant in the first few days after his arrest in an effort to generate the evidence aiding the prosecution’s case. The Court does not underestimate the fact that after the applicant, who had initially been arrested on a robbery charge, had been subjected to interrogations by the police, charges were brought in respect of a number of other criminal offences to which the applicant had confessed during those interrogations.

 

[Grinder]

I'm not sure where you think this leads, but the bottom line is that knocking the kitchen knife out would have been devastating to the prosecution's case. They couldn't have just turned around and said that Amanda used a different knife because they didn't have it, and they certainly didn't have a dna tie-in. 36b was the only tangible evidence they thought they had against Knox.

Two knives were known immediately as the defense had the bloody outline. Rudi bleeding doesn't undo the kitchen knife. They could argue that she just had the kitchen knife to scare Meredith but some of MK's DNA made it on the knife during the murder. From the prosecution perspective they had plenty of evidence putting her at the scene and lying to protect herself.

The arrest warrant didn't include Lalli if the links Numbers posted were accurate which I trust they were. I don't get why you would even question Lalli's quote because at a minimum I've proven that multiple knives was out there as soon as the kitchen knife produced DNA. The PLE had the knife outline and the pathology of the knife wounds. Are you saying that the defense and prosecution didn't notice from the beginning?

 

[Ken Dine]

Strozzi - I have a very hard time seeing much in the pictures of his hands. The recreation makes no sense to me as I wouldn't hold a knife like it is shown and there doesn't seem to be any hilt on the knife as the defense experts insisted there was.

They never found the knife, so other than the bloody imprint on Meredith's sheet, and the size of the wounds, they can only guess what Guede's knife was like.

Even though a folding knife may have a traditional hilt (that unfolds when the blade is unfolded), the bruising on Meredith's neck may have been caused by thrusting the blade into her neck until the knife's body bruised her neck.

Then again, Guede's knife may have been a fixed blade which he wore in a sheath, either in his pocket, or inside his pant's waist, etc. Actually, a knife with a fixed blade would be faster to deploy when needed.

I have both types of knives, fixed and folding, of the size Guede had used. Both are very common.

I would expect the opposite of you from fending off the attacker. Hands open batting away the knife. OTOH if the penknife closed it would cut on the top of the hand. The thumb would be cut if the knife were held "fight style" as the finger would be under the knife and on the none edge side.

There's no evidence that Guede held the knife in a "fight style".

Likely, from behind Guede fairly quickly plunged his knife into Meredith's neck to control her, and after two stabbing motions which would have subdued her, Guede finished her off with a 3rd stabbing motion, which he then used in a sawing motion to make the 3rd larger gash.

Since Meredith did have a few minor cuts on her hands, she may have received those when she reached up to her neck as the knife was 1st plunged in and nicked her finger doing that, but Meredith would have quickly lost her strength as Guede repeatedly stabbed her neck.

This was a very brutal attack and likely it was over rather quickly.

Guede obviously inadvertently had cut himself in his frenzied attack upon Meredith. We don't need Stefanoni to confirm that!

 

[Diocletus]

Two knives were known immediately as the defense had the bloody outline. Rudi bleeding doesn't undo the kitchen knife. They could argue that she just had the kitchen knife to scare Meredith but some of MK's DNA made it on the knife during the murder. From the prosecution perspective they had plenty of evidence putting her at the scene and lying to protect herself.

The arrest warrant didn't include Lalli if the links Numbers posted were accurate which I trust they were. I don't get why you would even question Lalli's quote because at a minimum I've proven that multiple knives was out there as soon as the kitchen knife produced DNA. The PLE had the knife outline and the pathology of the knife wounds. Are you saying that the defense and prosecution didn't notice from the beginning?

This just isn't true, and no you haven't.

Show where the prosecution first argued that two knives were simultaneously used in the crime (Lalli's quote that you rely on in fact suggests just one knife). It never happened until trial. Yes, there were possibly different words used to describe the knife, "pen," "flick," "kitchen," but once the dna was found, Rep. 36 was the one and only knife. In fact, Sfarzo recounts that the police refused to look for another knife.

 

[Grinder]

This just isn't true, and no you haven't.

Show where the prosecution first argued that two knives were simultaneously used in the crime (Lalli's quote that you rely on in fact suggests just one knife). It never happened until trial. Yes, there were possibly different words used to describe the knife, "pen," "flick," "kitchen," but once the dna was found, Rep. 36 was the one and only knife. In fact, Sfarzo recounts that the police refused to look for another knife.

The trial didn't start until @ a year and half later. The naming of the penknife and the addition of the kitchen knife made for at least two knives 1+1 = 2.

The bloody knife outline was known before the trial. Discussion before the trial now vanished often focused on the fact that the kitchen knife didn't match the outline. The prosecution wasn't obligated to address this until trial but it was easy to deduce that a multiple knife theory would be the answer.

Can you prove that once the DNA on 36 was found it was the one and only knife? Give me a cite as good as the Lalli one.

 

[bagels]

The two knife theory seems to be something begrudgingly conceded by the inconvenience to Italians that is physical reality, but not something truly believed. I'm sure if you could nail down Mach or Vixen on this issue for example, they would gladly tell you the kitchen knife is somehow compatible with everything. This is probably a faith based belief most guilters/Italians/Italian prosecutors secretly harbor as well. The prosecutor in the Nencini trial asserted that the imprint was compatible with the kitchen knife. The second knife, along with Guede himself, are ethereal factors, faded, in the background, they're not really part of the case.

Strong proof of Guede as an actionable stabber jabbing a knife into Meredith's flesh might be enough to shatter the delusion. But then again it might not be. I still say the main point with the missing blood is the alternative is Guede by sheer coincidence had wounds on his hands, and stupidly voluntarily tied them to the murder, which is about as hard to believe as evidence suppression or incompetence.

 

[Grinder]

The two knife theory seems to be something begrudgingly conceded by the inconvenience to Italians that is physical reality, but not something truly believed. I'm sure if you could nail down Mach or Vixen on this issue for example, they would gladly tell you the kitchen knife is somehow compatible with everything. This is probably a faith based belief most guilters/Italians/Italian prosecutors secretly harbor as well. The prosecutor in the Nencini trial asserted that the imprint was compatible with the kitchen knife. The second knife, along with Guede himself, are ethereal factors, faded, in the background, they're not really part of the case.

Strong proof of Guede as an actionable stabber jabbing a knife into Meredith's flesh might be enough to shatter the delusion. But then again it might not be. I still say the main point with the missing blood is the alternative is Guede by sheer coincidence had wounds on his hands, and stupidly voluntarily tied them to the murder, which is about as hard to believe as evidence suppression or incompetence.

For now let's take as givens that he killed Meredith by himself and that he had barely visible scars on his hands.

He had decided that his story would be that a stranger came in while he was on the toilet and killed her, but that he had confronted the knife wielding blond Italian. As proof of this he showed the Germans the marks.

An alternative is that he had managed to murder her without cutting himself but wanted the evidence of his heroic battle and cut his own hand lightly shortly after arriving in Germany.

I don't believe that the ILE would figure out that Rudi's blood they found early on would spoil their case against Amanda.

 

[Ken Dine]

Well Ken in the spirit given by you to me I'd say you haven't done much in deductive thinking.

Blame my parents since my DNA inheritance from them obviously never formed the proper synapses required for deeper thinking.

I in fact earned a living through my school years assembling all type of boat trailers and still do much of the fix it work around the house. I do try to avoid cutting myself but did recently jab myself with a box cutter before assembling the girlfriends couch after moving it by Uhaul to her condo.

Working with your hands is good, but many men in my experience have little experience doing it. Other than a recent "box cutter” injury, your experience bleeding is mainly from your “school years”, so how long ago was that?

In any event, your claimed experience with cut hands certainly doesn’t match my experience.

The fact is that all your attempts do not validate your original statement that Rudi's DNA was found in abundance in his own blood on the purse and the sweater.

Did I say “Abundance?” Clearly, most of the blood found at the crime scene was Meredith’s blood, but logic tells me that Guede had inadvertently cut his fingers during his knife attack on Meredith, which surely left some of Guede’s blood there.

I realize my “LOGIC” is suspect based upon my defective synapses, but even defective synapses lead to the logical conclusion that Gueede had bled in Meredith’s bedroom.

Here's a hint: Having a needle in your arm for blood donation (good on you) isn't remotely the same as having slash wounds that can be seen (in new scars ) almost three weeks later.

True, I only mentioned it because when I went to the market the first time after donating, I took off the large obvious bandage, and then walking around the market my arm started dripping, which was embarrassing. After that, I started using a small bandaid, which has always worked to stem the blood after only 20 minutes.

Whether a needle puncture or a boo-boo on my hands (of which there have been plenty), I usually stop bleeding within an hour.

Also a guy wildly attacking another with free hands and a trained agent isn't similar to an athlete killing a tiny woman. Useless comparison.

I don’t agree!

Your sources seem almost exclusively from PI sites. The specific guy also maintained that Mignini said they had bleach receipts from the 2nd and he said it at the "case closed" presser that he didn't attend. You might also look at his CV and see exactly what his job was.

That the police had claimed they had found bleach reciepts in Raffale’s apartment was widely circulated in the Italian and UK media. This ‘bleach’ claim was totally bogus, just as much of the reporting in the Italian & UK media was bogus.

The part about a knife with no hilt is interesting because the defense experts insisted that the fatal wound couldn't be from the kitchen knife because there was a bruise FROM the HILT which meant the entire knife needed to be pushed in and the kitchen knife was too long and would have needed to be stopped partially in.

Since the knife Guede had used was never recovered, we have no way of knowing if Guede’s knife had a traditional ‘HILT’, or whether the observed brusing was instead caused by the body of the knife when the penknife was shoved “up to the hilt,” so to speak.

I.e., both a penknife with a traditional hilt, or a penknife without a traditional hilt, both can cause bruising when shoved forcibly in as far as they will go.

Yes my opinion when stated as my opinion is in fact my opinion.

I only wish I had your superior deductive synapses.


Seriously, I know you enjoy playing Devil’s Advocate here, but often that role seems to cause you to reject things that Stefanoni didn’t testify about, and since Stefanoni is an obvious pig, that causes you to hitch your wagon to an illogical source.

There are no indications that his blood was found at the cottage. If he cut himself there it is almost a 100% chance that some was left there, but that's not the same as saying his DNA in own blood was found there.

If you’re waiting on Stefanoni to produce records proving Guede’s blood was found at the crime scene, then good luck with that!

Did I miss the source of Rudi's own blood being found at his apartment in abundance?

I posted my citation, and you certainly reviewed it, but then you went into your 'Devil’s Advocate' role and rejected the evidence since Stefanoni had never confirmed it.

What I don't get is that you stated Rudi's blood was found at the cottage. I've followed the case closely from day one and didn't remember that.

Did you also remember that Stefanoni had also found five (5) African hairs consistent with Guede in Meredith bedroom?

Whether you remembered the African hairs or not, Stefanoni admited they were found, but this crucial info has largely been suppressed.

That the Italian police had found African hairs in Merdith’s bedroom on Day-1 influences everything that followed, particularly the late-night interrogation of Amanda where the police forced her to name Lumumba, which was the only African man the police were then aware that Amanda knew.

I asked for a link and get a PI site that says "perhaps" it was Rudi's blood. So no, his blood wasn't found or at least it isn't known to be found. Now a long string needs to be formed with the ILE hiding his blood because it would ruin the case against AK, instead of just saying "I guess there isn't proof of his blood being found.

I bow to your superior deductive logic!

Even though Guede obviously had cut his fingers while attacking Meredith, according to your logic Guede didn’t shed any blood from those cuts, as proved by the fact that Stefanoni and her team never admited to finding any male blood stains in Meredith’s bedroom.

Your reliance on Stefanoni to prove your Devil’s Advocate contentions amazes me, but then again, my deductive reasoning is obviously impaired.