Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Strozzi]

The Russ Faria case comes to my mind. Still, this case is truly bizarre. Maybe it's the unbelievable stupidity of the Perugian authorites. I can't imagine finding anyone as dumb and demented in power like Mignini.

As i posted here two days ago, a US Government official who follows this case closely described the prosecution in this case as "stupid beyond belief". Obviously he is in agreement with your observation.

 

[analemma]

Rudi's semen wouldn't been a problem for them. An unknown or not RS,RG or GS would have been a big problem. Just imagine it was some other guy, how would they fit that into the room scenario. What makes you think it wasn't tested? Steffi's or Comodi's word?

I think that Rudi's semen would have been a big problem for them: Not even these crackpots could build a scenario where Rudy was raping a dying woman, regardless of who stabbed her, and someone other than Rudy is responsible.
Can you think of such a scenario?
I think that the Rudy semen under the victim makes it a slam dunk for his being a single perp.
And yes, I agree, they probably did test it and find it was from Rudy and that led to opposing all tests to identify it correctly

 

[Ken Dine]

Have you heard about the kayaking case in New York?

A couple went out in kayaks, unprepared for cold water, wrong type of kayak. A man drowned, his fiancee survived.

Professionals say they were lucky that even one of them survived.

After an interrogation in english, she speaks poorly (from estonia or latvia, IIRC), the police misinterpreted her statements as a kind of confession.

Police claim she capsized her husband's kayak, though professionals insist its impossible.

There's no evidence she drowned her husband. She been in jail a few months, and these idiots won't stop.

We have our Mignini's.

I already posted her story here awhile back as an interesting case with some parallels to the Amanda Knox case:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hudson-river-kayak-mystery-vincent-viafores-body-idd/story?id=31307061

Her husband was an idiot for going out on the Hudson in that weather totally unprepared – he deserves a Darwin Award for voluntarily removing his foolhardy genes from the pool.

Those two missing Florida boys likely weren't wearing life vests either, but they were only 14 y/o and they probably felt invulnerable, as many young boys do. Both were accidents waiting to happen.

 

[acbytesla]

Just to clarify:

By "optically degraded" I mean that the resolution of the image was degraded by processing, not that the camera optical or recording system was degraded or that there was some issue with ambient lighting.

The decreased resolution could be obtained easily by creating a typical low-resolution TV or other - such as computer manipulated - image of a higher-resolution original. The reduction in number of lines per inch, of of dpi, would lower the resolution to produce the ambiguity desired by the hoaxers for the facial features and thus the identity of the "fake Amanda".

No, I understand. Never the less, all of these images were created by the same cctv camera was used for all these shots so why did we see degraded images on the person some guilters were saying was Amanda and if course the ones supposedly of Rudy?

 

[davefoc]

As to the requirement for an eight minute scream:

Perhaps this is what people mean but assuming that it was Kercher screaming that caused the people to turn, then it seems reasonable that there could have been time between screams and the period of screaming could have been as long as eight minutes and the people turning to hear the screams at different times were reacting to different screams. That seems plausible if not likely to me.

 

[Desert Fox]

As to the requirement for an eight minute scream:

Perhaps this is what people mean but assuming that it was Kercher screaming that caused the people to turn, then it seems reasonable that there could have been time between screams and the period of screaming could have been as long as eight minutes and the people turning to hear the screams at different times were reacting to different screams. That seems plausible if not likely to me.

Is it real likely that she spend that long in total between the first scream and the last scream. It is much more likely that Guede tried to control her, he failed, and she ended up with her throat slashed. I don't think she could scream anymore at that point.

 

[Strozzi]

As to the requirement for an eight minute scream:

Perhaps this is what people mean but assuming that it was Kercher screaming that caused the people to turn, then it seems reasonable that there could have been time between screams and the period of screaming could have been as long as eight minutes and the people turning to hear the screams at different times were reacting to different screams. That seems plausible if not likely to me.

The several images shown here in recent days are just a few images taken from a long saved video. How much is available in the public domain?

I want to see what people passing In the garage video camera's field of view did at other times. Were orhers walking past at 9:20 or 9:30 who turned their heads? Turn their body? Stop in their tracks?

The several women shown in the several images were walking towards the interior of the garage.

• One stopped her forward motion, turned her body 90 degrees to her left (her feet are turned) and looked in that direction. Did she pause for 2 seconds, 10 seconds, 30 seconds, or more?
• The second woman who came afterwards turned her head to the left but her body is not turned. Did she pause/stop? Did she in later video frames turn her body 90 degrees towards the direction she is looking? Was it anything at all? Or just a glance to the left captured in a few frames?

 

[carbonjam72]

The several images shown here in recent days are just a few images taken from a long saved video. How much is available in the public domain?

I want to see what people passing In the garage video camera's field of view did at other times. Were orhers walking past at 9:20 or 9:30 who turned their heads? Turn their body? Stop in their tracks?

The several women shown in the several images were walking towards the interior of the garage.

• One stopped her forward motion, turned her body 90 degrees to her left (her feet are turned) and looked in that direction. Did she pause for 2 seconds, 10 seconds, 30 seconds, or more?
• The second woman who came afterwards turned her head to the left but her body is not turned. Did she pause/stop? Did she in later video frames turn her body 90 degrees towards the direction she is looking? Was it anything at all? Or just a glance to the left captured in a few frames?

IIRC, someone had provided a link to the original Oggi article, and they answered many of these questions.

I think there was also video links as well at one point. Anyone good at searching?

 

[acbytesla]

As to the requirement for an eight minute scream:

Perhaps this is what people mean but assuming that it was Kercher screaming that caused the people to turn, then it seems reasonable that there could have been time between screams and the period of screaming could have been as long as eight minutes and the people turning to hear the screams at different times were reacting to different screams. That seems plausible if not likely to me.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that these people heard a scream. The murder was all over the news immediately. If you had heard a scream, wouldn't you have contacted the authorities the moment you head there was a murder there?

 

[carbonjam72]

Personally, I find it hard to believe that these people heard a scream. The murder was all over the news immediately. If you had heard a scream, wouldn't you have contacted the authorities the moment you head there was a murder there?

How do we know they didn't?

 

[acbytesla]

How do we know they didn't?

You think that they ignored that? And if they did, what would stop any of these people from talking to the press?

 

[carbonjam72]

You think that they ignored that? And if they did, what would stop any of these people from talking to the press?

Good questions. I don't know.

They may or may not have tested the semen stain, but they certainly destroyed the hard drives.

WHo had access to this video? The defense? Or just the prosecution?

I'd say these witnesses need to speak for themselves.

These people should be easy enough to find, even today. Given the notoriety of the event, I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't remember being right there in the vicinity of a famous crime, no matter what they heard.

It makes sense that they would or could or might remember. These don't look like serial witnesses or crazy people.

I'm just saying there's info here worth following up, if we're really interested in understanding what happened as well as possible.

 

[Numbers]

No, I understand. Never the less, all of these images were created by the same cctv camera was used for all these shots so why did we see degraded images on the person some guilters were saying was Amanda and if course the ones supposedly of Rudy?

But are you assuming that all the images - the "fake Amanda", the apparent Rudy, and the people turning to view toward the ramp entrance - were subjected to all the same transmission and processing steps after recording by the ramp CCTV system? And if so, why?

The resolution of the "fake Amanda" image could have been degraded simply by sending the image through a standard low-resolution TV camera. And indeed, the persons doing this would know they were reducing the resolution and thus creating a "mystery". In other words, a hoax.

Recall all the fuzzy images of Big Foot, UFOs and other such non-reproducible objects or phenomena. Hoaxes.

 

[acbytesla]

But are you assuming that all the images - the "fake Amanda", the apparent Rudy, and the people turning to view toward the ramp entrance - were subjected to all the same transmission and processing steps after recording by the ramp CCTV system? And if so, why?

The resolution of the "fake Amanda" image could have been degraded simply by sending the image through a standard low-resolution TV camera. And indeed, the persons doing this would know they were reducing the resolution and thus creating a "mystery". In other words, a hoax.

Recall all the fuzzy images of Big Foot, UFOs and other such non-reproducible objects or phenomena. Hoaxes.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm guessing the raw footage would still be available. If that is the case than clear footage of the maybe Rudy and fake Amanda would be avaiable. Unless the raw footage was somehow recorded under less optimal conditions.

 

[davefoc]

Personally, I find it hard to believe that these people heard a scream. The murder was all over the news immediately. If you had heard a scream, wouldn't you have contacted the authorities the moment you head there was a murder there?

Valid points. I didn't mean to express an opinion about the overall issue. I don't know. Both sides made arguments I found persuasive. As to whether they would have reported a scream or not, I presume that if they heard a scream it would have been muffled and difficult to interpret as a scream. My only point was that I could imagine a lot of noise being made over several minutes during the attack on Kercher and it seemed plausible to me that the time period could reach eight minutes. But it certainly seems plausible to me that the people in the picture didn't hear noises created during the murder of Kercher. I'm not sure.

The failure to collect all the relevant security camera videos and if they were collected to process them appropriately and turn them over to the defense seems to be once again an indication that the prosecution was engaging in illegal activities to gain a conviction of AK/RS.

 

[Bill Williams]

Personally, I find it hard to believe that these people heard a scream. The murder was all over the news immediately. If you had heard a scream, wouldn't you have contacted the authorities the moment you head there was a murder there?

Well, Nara said she heard a scream and told....... no one. Not the police anyway, and she must have noticed the commotion on Nov 2 across the street.

Similarly with Qunitavalle. Although he'd not heard a scream, he did say (IIRC) that he could remember Raffaele on sight. For both Nara and Quintavalle they had to be reminded by a enterprising journalist out for a story of what they heard and what they saw hat jarred them so much that they initially did........

Nothing.

 

[Grinder]

Well, Nara said she heard a scream and told....... no one. Not the police anyway, and she must have noticed the commotion on Nov 2 across the street.

Similarly with Qunitavalle. Although he'd not heard a scream, he did say (IIRC) that he could remember Raffaele on sight. For both Nara and Quintavalle they had to be reminded by a enterprising journalist out for a story of what they heard and what they saw hat jarred them so much that they initially did........

Nothing.

Nara gave her formal statement on Nov. 27, 2007. She wasn't one of the cub reporters finds but rather gave an interview on TV, AFAIK

 

[RWVBWL]

37 people on CCTV in 1 Hour? And The cops never tracked down + interviewed them?

IIRC, someone had provided a link to the original Oggi article, and they answered many of these questions.

I think there was also video links as well at one point. Anyone good at searching?

I just volunteered!
The Oggi article was apparently published June 4, 2014.

From a post by MichaelB, June 5, 2014

Summary: The investigators didn't find anything relevant because they stated that the people that appeared in the video were not recognizable, whereas the article says there are some pictures that are very clear. Between 21 and 22 hours it captures 37 people, and all those captured between 21:31 and 21:52 all do the same thing once they go past the barrier – they stop and look to their left towards the entrance to the car park, i.e. towards Meredith’s house. There is a family of father, mother and two children. They stop, the mother looks to the left, then one of the girls, then both girls. They seem to discuss something. In the end, they go away. The couple that passed just before them had done the same thing. What got their attention? What did they see or hear? Why were they never questioned?


Oggi Original Article:
http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/...108_653088601411224_7354278274572477096_o.jpg


From another post of MichaelB:
Oggi article translation.

Perugia. Does the truth lie in this forgotten video?

There are 2,068 registered files the evening of the murder and they have never been analysed in depth. In one there is a worrying finding. It has a resounding similarity.

By Giangavino Sulas

In the investigation into the murder of Meredith Kercher there is a DVD, which till now has inexplicably been ignored. It contains 2,068 files made the night of 1st November 2007 by the surveillance telecamera, placed at the entrance to the Sant’Antonio carpark in Perugia. It was seized by the flying squad and consigned to the Scientific Police for analysis of the recorded images for the hours preceeding and following the murder. This telecamera in fact not only captures the entrance to the parking lot, but also the entrance gate to the house in via Della Pergola from across the road. Having finished its work, the Scientific Police, in the account given to the Prosecutor, did not indicate anything relevant, on account of the poor quality of the images and the difficulty in identifying the people taken. And yet there are worrying images taken a little before 10pm, which were missed by the eyes of the enquirers. Very sharp images, among which not only are the people recognisable and potentially identifiable, but all show the same strange behaviour. Between 21.00 and 22.00, the telecamera recorded the entry into the car park of 37 people. All those captured between 21.31 and 21.52 passing the entrance barrier show the same reaction; they stop to look to the left, towards the entrance of the carpark, in other words towards the entrance to Meredith’s house. In several images we see a small family, consisting of father, mother, and two children stop; first the mother turns, then one of the children, then both together. They seem to be discussing something. Finally they go away. The couple who passed before them had the same reaction. What attracted their attention? What was happening during those minutes? Had they heard screams? Had they heard someone screaming for help? Had they seen someone running away? Why were these people not identified and questioned?

In the first trial process the hour of the murder was established based on the evidence of Nara Capezzali, an elderly lady who lived in via Della Pergola (actually strictly incorrect – overlooking it, DCA). She said that she went to sleep at around 21.00, and awoke, for physiological reasons (ie to get up for a pee!, DCA) at around 23.00. She said that on the night of 1st November 2007 when she awoke she heard a harrowing scream. The Perugia Court that condemned Raffaele and Amanda established that the emission of this scream could only have been because Meredith had been stabbed. Had the persons who entered the parking lot heard the same scream, but at a different time (ie from that stated by Capezzali)? Opening a new inquiry the investigators should be able to identify and question them.

Was this a dereliction of duty?
Then there is an image which could change the fate of Amanda. It shows a girl with a shoulder bag and a calm expression who has passed the entrance barrier of the carpark, from where one can pass to the old centre of the city. If this was really Amanda, this picture would become her alibi. It provides the time as indicated on the same telecamera; 20.53. In reality the exact time is different, 21.05, because the time recorded throughout is 12 minutes early. But the English student was murdered between 21.00 and 22.30. This was established in the last judgement of the Appeal Court of Assizes of Florence. Amanda therefore would have been going away from her house five minutes after Meredith’s return. For this reason she could not have taken part in the murder, cleaned herself up and washed, and got back to the Piazza Grimana, where then the tramp Antonio Curatolo saw her, in the company of Raffaele, from 21.30 to 23.30. In order to accuse her once more it would be necessary to change the time of the murder. And if the tramp Antonio Curatolo remains a credible witness, as the Court in Florence maintained, Meredith’s murder has to be moved forward by at least three hours. In fact it would be necessary to do the whole trial again. But in order to redo the trial the Prosecutor of Perugia would need first to open the investigation by reason of dereliction of duty by the Police, to explore why these other pictures, which we are publishing exclusively, were never shown to the examining magistrates by the Scientific Police, who had been given the task of examining the contents of that telecamera. Will they do this? The prosecutors Giuliano Mignini and Manuela Comodi for now prefer silence.

If instead the girl caught on camera at 21.05 was not Amanda, this image would not invalidate her alibi: she and Raffaele have in fact always maintained that they never went out that night. They did not go to via Della Percola, nor to the centre or any local place. They watched a film on the computer, smoked a joint, made love and went to sleep. If they had gone into Meredith’s house they could not have avoided the telecamera of the Sant’Antonio carpark, just as didn’t Guede or for the same reason Meredith did not do.

‘Oggi’, in November 20121, already published an image from 21.00 on November 1st, in which one sees a girl with a white jacket like Meredith’s who is going towards via della Pergola. In two other cameras they caught at 19.40 and 20.10, a man who could have been Rudy Guede, leaving the carpark towards the house of the murder, which, by his own admission, he entered at 20.30, half an hour before Meredith arrived. How he entered the flat, the President of the Court of Florence did not know, and he has said that it is unimportant. The return of the English girl at 21.00 was confirmed by the testimony of her friend Sophie Purton who accompanied her for part of the way (home). Also in those videos there is no trace of Amanda and Raffaele
* * *

You folks had some great discussion on this new CCTV info,
here's a place to start refreshing anyone's memory:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274219&highlight=oggi&page=214

 

[Grinder]

I think that Rudi's semen would have been a big problem for them: Not even these crackpots could build a scenario where Rudy was raping a dying woman, regardless of who stabbed her, and someone other than Rudy is responsible.
Can you think of such a scenario?
I think that the Rudy semen under the victim makes it a slam dunk for his being a single perp.
And yes, I agree, they probably did test it and find it was from Rudy and that led to opposing all tests to identify it correctly

Rudi was adamant that he didn't leave any "sperm" behind in his Skype convo. We have seen that he has the ability to make his stories fit the basic facts. Had he ejaculated why wouldn't he have told a tale to cover that fact? If you don't remember it was in the press that the PLE had found it.

I don't see how that stain would prove Meredith was dying when he ejaculated and AFAIK no sign of penile rape was found anyway.

Regardless I don't see the semen even if Rudi's proving a single perp.

I think they tested it and it was from the real accomplice.

 

[Desert Fox]

Rudi was adamant that he didn't leave any "sperm" behind in his Skype convo. We have seen that he has the ability to make his stories fit the basic facts. Had he ejaculated why wouldn't he have told a tale to cover that fact? If you don't remember it was in the press that the PLE had found it.

I don't see how that stain would prove Meredith was dying when he ejaculated and AFAIK no sign of penile rape was found anyway.

Regardless I don't see the semen even if Rudi's proving a single perp.

I think they tested it and it was from the real accomplice.

If true, that is really scary that they would cover it up