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Moderated JFK conspiracy theories: it never ends III

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abaddon said:
How dare you avoid the substantive spackle/polyfilla nomenclature issue. :D
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You mean like how no one on the ground can hear the shockwave from the space shuttle when it's ascending at supersonic speed, but they can hear it when it's landing? Hm, maybe those kinds of shock waves are not as universally audible as Harris' cargo-cult one-data-point interpretation suggests...
 
JayUtah said:
You mean like how no one on the ground can hear the shockwave from the space shuttle when it's ascending at supersonic speed, but they can hear it when it's landing? Hm, maybe those kinds of shock waves are not as universally audible as Harris' cargo-cult one-data-point interpretation suggests...
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According to cluesforum, all fake too.
 
abaddon said:
How dare you avoid the substantive spackle/polyfilla nomenclature issue. :D
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Where did the assassination take place? Dallas TX. Which of the two terms are used in Dallas? Spackle. No need to thank me, I'm just glad I could settle this controversy for you ;)
 
BazBear said:
Where did the assassination take place? Dallas TX. Which of the two terms are used in Dallas? Spackle. No need to thank me, I'm just glad I could settle this controversy for you ;)
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They are clearly wrong. I made that up out of whole cloth. Nevertheless I am right and the entire universe and everyone in it is wrong. About whatever it is.

Surely at some point our proponent must realise that nobody is buying whatever he is attempting to sell?
 
JayUtah said:
As Tolls has posted (twice, once from the Grassy Knoll), Harris' argument takes a cargo-cult approach to the sciences of physics and psychology. He claims he can determine from the Zapruder film, based on attributed "startle" movements, that the passengers must have been reacting to a shot when other evidence tells us there was no shot. That's the misuse of psychology.

Harris further assures us (by misusing physics) that it would have been impossible for bystanders and passengers not to have been startled by the earlier shots had they been fired from Oswald's rifle. Thus he explains that the earlier, visibly unreacted-to, shots (whose injuries are evident in the film and thus can't be dismissed) had to have been fired by a different weapon equipped with a silencer, so as not to startle anyone. Thus he shoehorns all the other evidence into his miraculous personal ability to determine reliably from a silent film exactly when people were hearing loud noises and when they weren't.

He spackles over the gaping cracks in that theory by saying that (some) witnesses heard the last shots too close together to be fired from a single bolt-action rifle. So in addition to the guy with the silencer who fired the first shot(s), there has to be another guy with a loud rifle to fire right before or after Oswald right around the fatal shot to Kennedy's head.

Got it?

And the backstory for all this explains that it's a Mafia hit -- although admittedly not a "typical" hit (thus getting around the evidence's poor fit to that scenario) ordered by some butt-hurt low-level don, and admitted to in a some utterly unquestionable jailhouse braggadocio.
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Baloney.
 
Belz... said:
They actually block IE ? Well, I'm never going on their website again, _even_ with my Chrome at home.

*********** ideologues.
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What version of IE?
It works fine on IE11, though once I switched the emulator to 9 it did flag up that rather pompous message.
 
zooterkin said:
I may not have been paying close enough attention, but why does Robert think there was an extra shot (or shots) for which there appears to be no need or evidence, from a second shooter who has left no trace?
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Yes, at Zapruder frame 285, based on reactions to shots nobody sees but him.

He also argued for shots at 150-160, Z223, Z313, and Z237 (and said possibly more).

Hank

PS: Apologies, I see Jay already explained this in far more detail than I did.
 
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I wonder which one(s) came from the storm drain. Too bad he never stated his entire hypothesis so we'd know whether that one was suppressed or not.
 
I just analyzed the PGF footage of Patty the bigfoot. Frame 221 clearly shows her hunching her shoulders in an obvious startle reflex. Why were they shooting at Patty?
 
Wolrab said:
I just analyzed the PGF footage of Patty the bigfoot. Frame 221 clearly shows her hunching her shoulders in an obvious startle reflex. Why were they shooting at Patty?
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Because the other shooter, the Green Beret Seal Mafia guy, obviously missed at frame 86 with his suppressed 16 inch naval rifle, silly.
 
Just thought I would check in to see what kind of silliness you guys have posted recently. Let's review.

1. Since a "bigfoot" video shows the the thing with its shoulders raised, it doesn't matter that Roy Kellerman raised his shoulders for a third of a second as he simultaneously ducked and shielded his ear, at the same instant that everyone else in the limo as well as Abraham Zapruder reacted, and the same point in which he said he was exposed to a "flurry" of at least two shots.

2. Mr. Sieznant claims that nobody sees these reactions, other than me - strange, since everybody was originally claiming that the reactions were caused by Greer slamming on the brakes, and throwing the limo passengers forward and Sieznant himself, claimed that Oswald could have fired both shots at 285 and 313.

3. Perhaps, the most ludicrous is this statement by Mr. Utah, He claims he can determine from the Zapruder film, based on attributed "startle" movements, that the passengers must have been reacting to a shot when other evidence tells us there was no shot

Did Jay just forget that Drs. Alvarez and Stroscio confirmed a loud and startling noise at frame 285, which caused Zapruder react at frame 290-291, EXACTLY the instant in which the limo passengers reacted?

Did he forget that each of the nonvictims in the limo placed gunshots at the end of the attack - exactly when they reacted to each of the shots at 285 and 313?

Did he just forget that those passengers were corroborated by "most" of the other witnesses that day, who commented on the spacing of the shots?

Of course he didn't. He just evaded 99% of my argument and the actual facts, then deliberately misrepresented my arguments.

I will no longer "debate" here, since it is impossible to have meaningful discourse when I have to spend 98% of my time, untangling deliberate misrepresentations, and outright lies. But as a reminder to everyone, the question of conspiracy, is a simple one. If these people were reacting to what they said they heard, then the fat lady has sung.

http://jfkhistory.com/ducking.gif
 
And BTW, Mr. Utah's statement that other evidence tells us there was no shot at 285, is blatantly false.

No such evidence exists and he knows it.
 
Since the purpose of the forum is for members to discuss issues of interest and you've declared yourself not interested in anything other than agreement with your fantasy construct, why don't you simply play around at your website and leave with a little dignity.
 
Robert Harris said:
Just thought I would check in to see what kind of silliness you guys have posted recently. Let's review.

1. Since a "bigfoot" video shows the the thing with its shoulders raised, it doesn't matter that Roy Kellerman raised his shoulders for a third of a second as he simultaneously ducked and shielded his ear, at the same instant that everyone else in the limo as well as Abraham Zapruder reacted, and the same point in which he said he was exposed to a "flurry" of at least two shots.

2. Mr. Sieznant claims that nobody sees these reactions, other than me - strange, since everybody was originally claiming that the reactions were caused by Greer slamming on the brakes, and throwing the limo passengers forward and Sieznant himself, claimed that Oswald could have fired both shots at 285 and 313.

3. Perhaps, the most ludicrous is this statement by Mr. Utah, He claims he can determine from the Zapruder film, based on attributed "startle" movements, that the passengers must have been reacting to a shot when other evidence tells us there was no shot

Did Jay just forget that Drs. Alvarez and Stroscio confirmed a loud and startling noise at frame 285, which caused Zapruder react at frame 290-291, EXACTLY the instant in which the limo passengers reacted?

Did he forget that each of the nonvictims in the limo placed gunshots at the end of the attack - exactly when they reacted to each of the shots at 285 and 313?

Did he just forget that those passengers were corroborated by "most" of the other witnesses that day, who commented on the spacing of the shots?

Of course he didn't. He just evaded 99% of my argument and the actual facts, then deliberately misrepresented my arguments.

I will no longer "debate" here, since it is impossible to have meaningful discourse when I have to spend 98% of my time, untangling deliberate misrepresentations, and outright lies. But as a reminder to everyone, the question of conspiracy, is a simple one. If these people were reacting to what they said they heard, then the fat lady has sung.

http://jfkhistory.com/ducking.gif
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So, is it fair to say that no one disputes anything I just said?
 
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