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Bush: work longer hours

How about working 40 hours a week and living comfortably? What's wrong with that?

Some people may be okay working 60 hours a week, I was doing so until recently. However, working those kinds of hours does not always translate into tons of wealth, it does not for most people.

The Conservative message of "work harder" is as much nonsense as "pull yourself up by your bootstraps."
 
Which the saying of proves the ignorance of physics of the sayer.........

For the non physicists/knowers of the basic principles of physics: It is quite impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps under normal/rational conditions as the natural result of the pseudo-successful attempt will leave your butt sore on the floor since you will have fallen over.
 
fuelair said:
Which the saying of proves the ignorance of physics of the sayer.........

For the non physicists/knowers of the basic principles of physics: It is quite impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps under normal/rational conditions as the natural result of the pseudo-successful attempt will leave your butt sore on the floor since you will have fallen over.
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Or you just pull the boots onto your feet so tight that you lose circulation.
 
xjx388 said:
We work more than 60 hours a week. Haven't died yet. It's simple...if you want more than what you currently have, work more hours. I don't understand how this is controversial.
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It's controversial because you're using your own personal experience as a basis for setting national labor policy. That's pretty dumb. Just because you claim to have succeeded doesn't mean others will even though they put in even more effort than you claim to have.
 
SezMe said:
It's controversial because you're using your own personal experience as a basis for setting national labor policy. That's pretty dumb. Just because you claim to have succeeded doesn't mean others will even though they put in even more effort than you claim to have.
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They can't have put in more effort than him, because if they did, they would be wealthier than him.......
 
xjx388 said:
Usually 12 to 15. When we owned the clinic, there are days I would go in at 7am and come home after 2am. Now that I don't worry about the clinic, There are some days I get away with 10 hours.

I don't need to do that, but if I want to provide my family all the things I want to provide them, I do it gladly.
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It's extremely disingenuous to try to equate "hours worked" as an owner (been there, done that), or a second job within the same industry, with the far more common "on the clock" worker in a production/retail/service job(s).

Also as mentioned... many, if not most, part time positions are fill-in or floater hires with little or no fixed schedule. Bosses will rarely continue to give you hours if you're constantly forced to turn them down due to scheduling conflicts with your other employers.

Congratulations on your family's success but all I can muster is "cool story bro". :(
 
Jim_MDP said:
It's extremely disingenuous to try to equate "hours worked" as an owner (been there, done that), or a second job within the same industry, with the far more common "on the clock" worker in a production/retail/service job(s).
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. When we were on food stamps I was a computer lab tech for the school district and I worked a few nights a week and every weekend as a waiter. My wife went to school over full time and worked retail as well. The jobs are there and it's not difficult to coordinate schedules is you want it.

Also as mentioned... many, if not most, part time positions are fill-in or floater hires with little or no fixed schedule. Bosses will rarely continue to give you hours if you're constantly forced to turn them down due to scheduling conflicts with your other employers.
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Amazing how so many people manage to make it work, then. My daughter works at three different restaurants and manages to make it work. If you want it, you will work it out.

Congratulations on your family's success but all I can muster is "cool story bro". :(
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Its just a counter-story to the narrative that it can't work. It can.
 
xjx388 said:
Its just a counter-story to the narrative that it can't work. It can.
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I don't think anyone is saying that it can't work out, only that it shouldn't be necessary to work three jobs at the same time or work sixty hour work weeks just to make ends meet. It's absurd and surely you can see that having done it.
 
Have you noticed that whenever Politicians say something that the public reacts to with anger, they were always misunderstood in some way?

I think the real truth is that the problem often is that we understood them entirely too well.
 
This is about Obamacare. Under the ACA employees can no longer be screwed out of benefits by scheduling them for 38 hours a week, because full time is defined as 30 hours or more.
 
Mudcat said:
I don't think anyone is saying that it can't work out, only that it shouldn't be necessary to work three jobs at the same time or work sixty hour work weeks just to make ends meet. It's absurd and surely you can see that having done it.
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Having done it, I can see that it is not absurd and is in fact the way most successful people live. The richest man and biggest Democratic Party bundler in my neck of the woods is the hardest working man I know. The President of the bank I use works quite a bit more than 40 hours. Every doctor I know personally works more than 40. I can't think of one rich person I personally know that works less than "overtime."

If all those people are willing to work so hard for what they have, why shouldn't even the lowliest wage earner as well?
 
Because we exhaust ourselves, eliminate all chance of family life, and destroy our health for diminishing returns. It's possible to work 90 hours a week at three jobs and get no overtime whatsoever for any of those hours. And whenever there's money, there's something ready to drain it away.
 
xjx388 said:
Having done it, I can see that it is not absurd and is in fact the way most successful people live. The richest man and biggest Democratic Party bundler in my neck of the woods is the hardest working man I know. The President of the bank I use works quite a bit more than 40 hours. Every doctor I know personally works more than 40. I can't think of one rich person I personally know that works less than "overtime."

If all those people are willing to work so hard for what they have, why shouldn't even the lowliest wage earner as well?
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The "lowliest wage earners" don't make their own schedule. Nametag job employees often don't even know what days and shifts they'll be working until the week starts. Corporate tells store management how many total labor-hours they can schedule, and then some underling manager gets stuck with writing it up. If the store has not enough employes in a given week the "lowliest wage earners" might, occasionally, even be authorized overtime. But if the store is fully staffed even the full timers might get stiffed on hours. And in the pre-ACA days the part timers get a maximum of 38 hours.

And that's what this Jeb blather is about - "protecting small business" from "government mandates."
 
xjx388 said:
Having done it, I can see that it is not absurd and is in fact the way most successful people live.
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I'm not talking about 'successful' people or people trying to large homes, drive sports cars, date super models, or belong to expensive country clubs. I'm talking about people who want to live decent, honest lives trying to make a living.

And what you're talking about is patently absurd when sixty hour work weeks can barely put a decent roof over your head. I had worked forty-fifty hour work weeks at minimum wage and I could scarcely keep a hole-in-the-wall one bedroom apartment.

I know you don't care about anyone else but yourself but damn, that's not cool.
 
SezMe said:
I'm tired of your supposed story. It is NOT a basis for establishing public policy. That you think it is displays an amazingly narrow world view.
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Public policy? No. I'm just illustrating that most successful people work more than 40 hours. I also wonder why such an obvious solution to the problem (want more=work more) encounters such resistance.
 
xjx388 said:
Public policy? No. I'm just illustrating that most successful people work more than 40 hours. I also wonder why such an obvious solution to the problem (want more=work more) encounters such resistance.
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Because that's not what Jeb was talking about. Its what he wanted you to think he's talking about, while those who can hear his anti-Obamacare and pro-business-right-to-screw-the-worker dog whistle get the real meaning.
 
xjx388 said:
Public policy? No. I'm just illustrating that most successful people work more than 40 hours. I also wonder why such an obvious solution to the problem (want more=work more) encounters such resistance.
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And I'm wondering why the obvious objection that people shouldn't have to work more than 40 hours just to make a decent living is encountered by such resistance from you.
 
xjx388 said:
Public policy? No. I'm just illustrating that most successful people work more than 40 hours. I also wonder why such an obvious solution to the problem (want more=work more) encounters such resistance.
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I can't speak for others, but for me it’s always come across as a sort of easy “victim blaming” that lets people explain away individual problems, while ignoring systemic problems.

In a capitalist meritocracy, someone is going to end up at the bottom. If person A has more than person B, person B will have less than person A. It’s axiomatic. Telling the person at the bottom that they should work harder, quit drinking, increase their education, start their own business, etc, is really, really easy to do. But if they do all that and work their way up, then there will just be someone else at the bottom that you can preach and tell to work harder, quit drinking, increase their education, start their own business, etc. It never ends.

At the same time, we have had Federal Reserve Chairs who deliberately keep millions of people unemployed to keep inflation down, companies outsourcing jobs from the US to countries where labor is cheaper, and when they can’t export the jobs, they bring in cheaper workers from overseas with H1Bs. New challenges and obstacles to success are continually being placed in the way of US workers, and the often repeated litany of “you should work harder” doesn't really help.
 
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