Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Antony]

I feel the same way. Napoleoni is absolutely the forgotten villain in this case. Amanda had indicated she felt Napoleoni was short and terse with her while she and Raff waited outside the cottage. She had also mentioned a moment shortly after Mignini's arrival she witnessed them leaning in and speaking to each other while turning their gaze toward her. After reading Amanda's description of the way Napoleoni behaved that day the notion that she might have been the first person to have influenced the direction of Mignini's investigation becomes quite plausible. Napoleoni seemed to dislike Amanda from the start. I think she decided very soon after getting to the crime scene that Amanda was involved.

There is a very revealing picture on one of the GroundReport articles, with the caption "Monica Napoleoni eyes Amanda and Raffaele on November 2". The predatory expression on her face is a sight to behold.

Unfortunately the GR website doesn't seem to be available at the moment, so I can't find the link. Are they having problems?

 

[Strozzi]

How did I miss this?

You were at breakfast.

 

[Bill Williams]

You were at breakfast.

That must have been quite the breakfast!

 

[LondonJohn]

Her mother's arrival was not a secret to Amanda. As soon as she learned her mother was coming, Amanda would have told any friends that her mother was coming and when she knew the flight details she would have naturally said "My mom's coming. She's arriving Tuesday". (Nov 6). Amanda would have told Raffaele, Filomena, Laura, et al. She would have told the police too if they inquired how she was doing, how she was sleeping, was she eating OK?, etc. That is in addition to police-monitored phone conversations or emails with her mom.

Yes. I think it's very likely that the issue of Knox's mother's arrival in Perugia would have come up in Knox's police interviews on the 3rd and/or the 4th (and failing that, police interviews with other friends/acquaintances of Knox who would also have known this information). Knox herself might of course remember whether or not this was the case.

And I really do think that once the police (and PM) realised that Knox's mother was arriving, they quickly reasoned that she (mother) might well have the persuasive abilities and the authority over Knox to get her on an aircraft back to Seattle post haste. And since the police now had Knox firmly in their crosshairs as a prime suspect, this was a development that they were not willing to risk happening. Hence the quickly-concocted plan to "break" Knox (by way of "breaking" Sollecito first) on the night of 5th/6th, in order that they'd have sufficient grounds to arrest her and detain her in custody by the time her mother even arrived in Perugia. That way, there was no chance whatsoever (counting on a pliant arraignment judge, of course......) that Knox would ever be able to leave Perugia before she "faced justice".

 

[LondonJohn]

The problem is some of these issues are technical. One cannot do a test if one is not equipped to do so even if a judge has said to do so. C&V were not equipped with a lab for LCN work. They could have done what Stef did; carried out a test they were not equipped or competent to do, improperly, destroying the opportunity for it to be done correctly by a properly equipped lab. Instead they said they could not do the test. That a laboratory set up to do LCN work subsequently did the test shows they made the right decision.

Absolutely true. And alongside that, it shouldn't be forgotten that C&V's remit was specifically - and exclusively - to evaluate and report on Stefanoni's work. It was not their remit to instigate new, different evidence-gathering. That should rightly have been tasked to an official forensic science service recognised by the Italian criminal justice system in general. And indeed that's exactly what happened, when the Carabinieri forensic science group (who, unlike the incompetent and mendacious clown Stefanoni, appeared to know a) what they were doing, and b) what the limitations of their expertise were) conducted the additional tests. In fact, the very fact that the Nencini court heard the Carabinieri's evidence/testimony (including their implicit shredding of Stefanoni's work) and yet still convicted is astonishing in and of itself.

 

[MichaelB]

Teddy summary of Nara Capezzali’s statement to police on November 27, 2007 (this is one of the new docs)

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2007-11-27-Witness-deposition-Capezzali.pdf

Nara Capezzali went to bed at about 9:30pm and doesn’t remember what time she got up. When asked to guess what time it might have been, she says 11 or 11:30pm but she doesn’t know. She says the noise came from the house. For 1 minute she looked out the window and she heard the noise of stones and leaves blowing in the street below her, and then a couple of seconds after the scream she heard two people running, one person on the metal stairs that lead out of the car park, the other running towards via Bulagaio or towards the University for Foreigners. She said she didn’t look at the time because there are always people messing about down there. Later she shows doubt about where the noise actually came from. She couldn’t get back to sleep at first and she thought about whether somebody had been mugged because it happens a lot there in the street below, or perhaps a girl had been attacked. The next morning she didn’t mention the scream to her daughter because she wasn’t sure about it. In the two weeks running up to the event she had been suffering from Labyrinthitis [From Wikipedia: a problem of the inner ear. It results in vertigo and also possible hearing loss or ringing in the ears]. The next day she went out at about 11am to buy bread. When she got back she saw all the police from her window. People who rented a flat from her told her that a girl had been killed in the house in front of her. This all happened, as far as she can remember, at mid-day, a little before lunch! She says she had seen Meredith several times in the past. She would see her pass by with her books under her arm and she made an impression on her because Meredith had had one of her lips done really large! She didn’t report the scream earlier because she had been unwell and she had forgotten about the scream and then later she remembered it.

 

[Samson]

Teddy summary of Nara Capezzali’s statement to police on November 27, 2007 (this is one of the new docs)

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2007-11-27-Witness-deposition-Capezzali.pdf

Nara Capezzali went to bed at about 9:30pm and doesn’t remember what time she got up. When asked to guess what time it might have been, she says 11 or 11:30pm but she doesn’t know. She says the noise came from the house. For 1 minute she looked out the window and she heard the noise of stones and leaves blowing in the street below her, and then a couple of seconds after the scream she heard two people running, one person on the metal stairs that lead out of the car park, the other running towards via Bulagaio or towards the University for Foreigners. She said she didn’t look at the time because there are always people messing about down there. Later she shows doubt about where the noise actually came from. She couldn’t get back to sleep at first and she thought about whether somebody had been mugged because it happens a lot there in the street below, or perhaps a girl had been attacked. The next morning she didn’t mention the scream to her daughter because she wasn’t sure about it. In the two weeks running up to the event she had been suffering from Labyrinthitis [From Wikipedia: a problem of the inner ear. It results in vertigo and also possible hearing loss or ringing in the ears]. The next day she went out at about 11am to buy bread. When she got back she saw all the police from her window. People who rented a flat from her told her that a girl had been killed in the house in front of her. This all happened, as far as she can remember, at mid-day, a little before lunch! She says she had seen Meredith several times in the past. She would see her pass by with her books under her arm and she made an impression on her because Meredith had had one of her lips done really large! She didn’t report the scream earlier because she had been unwell and she had forgotten about the scream and then later she remembered it.

The evidence is pretty good if she heard the noise of stones blowing in the street. Who could forget that?

 

[Kauffer]

The evidence is pretty good if she heard the noise of stones blowing in the street. Who could forget that?

What makes her even more compelling as an ear witness is that she has hearing problems associated with a viral or bacteriological infection.

I mean hats off to the Italians. Brilliant.

 

[Strozzi]

The evidence is pretty good if she heard the noise of stones blowing in the street. Who could forget that?

Anyone can hear stones blowing. It take a bacterial infection in the ear canal to heighten your hearing enough to hear leaves blowing to qualify you as a reliable witness in a Perugia court. I would never qualify myself, but I have a friend who might. He once woke up because he thought he heard a head-on collision between two lorries. It turned out to be two leaves blowing into each other head-on. He did not have a clock around, but knows it was between 11 and 11:30 pm because he had to pee.

I wish Briars is still commenting here. Briars has a vacation villa on a hill in northern Italy. She can occasionally hear the bark of a dog echo across her valley so she is pretty certain that what Nara heard must have been Meredith scream. That is how she knows the murder occurred between 11 and 11:30 pm, instead of between 9 and 9:30 pm as indicated by the stomach contents' digestion rate. I would like to ask Briars if she also occasionally hears the echo of leaves blowing from across her valley. There is an ointment for that.

 

[Samson]

What makes her even more compelling as an ear witness is that she has hearing problems associated with a viral or bacteriological infection.

I mean hats off to the Italians. Brilliant.

Kauffer

I started a thread,
Amanda Knox and the State Department.

It is in Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories sub forum.

The 2009 transcript that Charlie Wilkes posted to IA is high theater, Recommended.

 

[Agatha]

This thread has grown lengthy so please continue your conversation in part 17, HERE.

Posted By: Agatha