Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Mr Fied]

It was accepted by the prosecution and the defence as Mez' indisputable DNA profile. It was within a microscopic scratch on the knife, not visible to the naked eye. Thus, despite having being thoroughly scrubbed to be strikingly shiny, when found by police, Mez' DNA spoke from beyond the grave.

Amanda precluded this finding by telling Mom she was really worried about the knife found at Raff's. Unknown to Raff, she confirmed to police Mez had never been at Raff's.

Raff wrote in a confiscated diary - also in an attempt to preclude the finding - that he had "pricked the back of Mez' hand" whilst cooking at his place.

Mez was found with many knife nicks, especially under the chin and on her hands.

Perhaps Amanda and Raff can foresee next week's lottery? No need for GoFundMe.

Apart from the starch.

Can anyone prove Meredith's DNA was ever on the knife?

Was the murder weapon ever found? (The knife that matches the wounds)

 

[Mr Fied]

...who did not have the authority nor power to set a precedent, especially in a murder case.

Clear now?

The higher court declared them not guilty.

Seems pretty clear to me.

There is no evidence suggesting they took part in the murder.

Seems pretty clear to me.

The only arguments against the not guilty verdicts seem to consist of downright lies.

Seems pretty clear to me.

 

[Wattson]

...who did not have the authority nor power to set a precedent, especially in a murder case.

Clear now?

Really? Interesting. I guess they should have consulted with the internet clowns before making their unauthorized decision.

 

[MDDVS]

I sent a letter to Rudy Guede in prison and he sent me a long reply confessing he did it on his own and describing details that only the real murderer would know. I'm going to post this letter, written by his own hand very soon.

 

[Ken Dine]

I sent a letter to Rudy Guede in prison and he sent me a long reply confessing he did it on his own and describing details that only the real murderer would know. I'm going to post this letter, written by his own hand very soon.

As 'Guilters' well know, citations are just a bothersome PITA, so no need to actually post it since we take your word for the existence of such a letter.

 

[Kauffer]

All of them, except the issues still at hand. Conti & Vecchiotti tried to pervert the course of justice.

Alessi claimed he was bribed to fake his testimony (we can't see Bongiorno suing him!)

Hellmann perversely deleted Curatolo's upheld testimony, on ad hominem grounds; Nencini reestablished it as sound. As Mignini succinctly says, it would be nice if all witnesses were Nobel prizewinners.

Nencini wrote up his report accordingly, correcting Hellmann's perversities. He upheld all the prosecution evidence.

Chieffi of the prior Supreme Court underlined, these were the only two issues in dispute with the First Court's merits hearing finding of 'Guilty'.

Keeping up?

This is laughable. The Chieffi court annulled the Hellmann court verdict and referred it back to 2nd instance. That's all. The Marasca court annulled Nencini. There is nothing in the Chieffi report that binds the Marasca court. Cite the passages in the Chieffi judgement specifically that you maintain bind the Marasca court and demonstrate this with reference to the CCP.

 

[Strozzi]

There are two possible reasons for this: First, like Knox's swab the Meredith material isn't derived from blood and instead is a piece of tissue which TMB wouldn't detect. The second is that, returning to the LCN nature of the material, the amount of blood is simply below the sensitivity threshold of the test. http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Double_DNA_Knife

Does this answer your question?

Actually, Vixen, there are three possible reasons for this. There was never any of Meredith's DNA on the kinfe. Stefanini's lab analysis is wrong. She uses dirty tactics to fabricate claims that support the prosecution and hides her data to cover up her dishonesty.

The knife was not used in the crime. It never left Raffaele's kitchen until the cops took it from Raffaele's flat in the wee hours of Nov 6 2007.

 

[Kauffer]

It was accepted by the prosecution and the defence as Mez' indisputable DNA profile. It was within a microscopic scratch on the knife, not visible to the naked eye. Thus, despite having been thoroughly scrubbed to be strikingly shiny, when found by police, Mez' DNA spoke from beyond the grave.

Amanda precluded this finding by telling Mom she was really worried about the knife found at Raff's. Unknown to Raff, she confirmed to police Mez had never been at Raff's.

Raff wrote in a confiscated diary - also in an attempt to preclude the finding - that he had "pricked the back of Mez' hand" whilst cooking at his place.

Mez was found with many knife nicks, especially under the chin and on her hands.

Perhaps Amanda and Raff can foresee next week's lottery? No need for GoFundMe.

Do you ever give up with these tiresome falsehoods?

You have the machine telling the operator "too low" She cranks it up to get a result defying internationally accepted protocols and can't repeat her test. She was called out by CandV. She couldn't produce the sample because it never existed. It's noise or contaminant. It's the only conclusion worthy of the name. Aside from that, the knife does not fit the small wound as its too wide and doesn't fit the larger wounds as its too long. There is no scratch. And if it had been cleaned there would have been nothing on it, yet Amanda's DNA was found on it together with some bread.

Raffaele, trying to understand the information he was being given speculated as to the reason why. But it was wrong. He cooked at the apartment with Kercher there using one the knives belonging to it not the knife at his place.

 

[Antony]

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The reconvened Second Court deals with these two issues (Sample on knife and Witness Prosecution/ Witness Defense). Defendant DNA confirmed on knife blade near hilt (fact found already established, Victim's DNA on blade); ...

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Wrong. Conti and Vecchiotti's report was still valid evidence in the Nencini trial, and shows that the victim's DNA could not be reliably proved to be on the blade. Not only that, but the Rome lab that made the additional test for the Nencini trial explicitly stated that it could not be concluded that the victim's DNA was on the blade on the basis of Stefanoni's uncorroborated single test result.

Not only that, but even if Stefanoni's result was genuine, how does a speck of the victim's DNA prove this is the murder weapon?

Not only that, but even if it was the murder weapon, how does Amanda's DNA on the handle prove that she was the killer?

You (and Nencini) have to overcome 3 levels of proof here - you do not achieve even one level. This (among other nonsense) I think will be central in the Marasca motivation report in quashing the Nencini verdict.

 

[Bill Williams]

This is laughable. The Chieffi court annulled the Hellmann court verdict and referred it back to 2nd instance. That's all. The Marasca court annulled Nencini. There is nothing in the Chieffi report that binds the Marasca court. Cite the passages in the Chieffi judgement specifically that you maintain bind the Marasca court and demonstrate this with reference to the CCP.

There's your problem right there, Kauffer. You are asking for a citation.

If nothing else, following this has taught me a lot about evidence-based reasoning. Guilters (incl. Mignini, Galati, Chieffi, and Nencini) believe in assertion-based reasoning....

...... meaning, if a guilter can assert something, then it becomes the duty of someone else to refute it or else it becomes an irrefutable judicial fact.

Kauffer, I held you in high respect until now. You asked for evidence. What's the matter with you?

 

[Bill Williams]

Do you ever give up with these tiresome falsehoods?

You have the machine telling the operator "too low" She cranks it up to get a result defying internationally accepted protocols and can't repeat her test. She was called out by CandV. She couldn't produce the sample because it never existed. It's noise or contaminant. It's the only conclusion worthy of the name. Aside from that, the knife does not fit the small wound as its too wide and doesn't fit the larger wounds as its too long. There is no scratch. And if it had been cleaned there would have been nothing on it, yet Amanda's DNA was found on it together with some bread.

Raffaele, trying to understand the information he was being given speculated as to the reason why. But it was wrong. He cooked at the apartment with Kercher there using one the knives belonging to it not the knife at his place.

The only person in the history of the world who ever claimed to have seen a scratch (a striation) on that kitchen knife-blade was Stefanoni.

In Massei's report he discusses this at length, seemingly pointing out the stupidity of the claim, but in the end accepting the claim. Other experts who saw photographs of the knife said they could not see the claimed-striation. Stefanoni's "the dog ate my homework" excuse was that the nature of the striation made it impossible to photograph.

Even so, one of the guilter-hate sites claims to have a photo of the knife showing the striation, even as Stefanoni herself said it could not be photographed.

Such is the basic honesty of those remaining guilters.

 

[Bill Williams]

...who did not have the authority nor power to set a precedent, especially in a murder case.

Clear now?

How do you explain the Kercher's lawyer, Maresca, who said that they did have the authority? And he added that the 2015 ISC decision ended the case?

 

[Kauffer]

Stage makeup

This is a new one on me:

Our charlatan Dr Naseer:

"....speculation on these boards was that the 'burglar' stole the cosmetics to cover up scrapes and minor injuries. That's why the scrape on Knox's neck appeared to be smaller on November 02 than the picture taken at the Questura on arrest."

They won't let go.

 

[Bill Williams]

This is a new one on me:

Our charlatan Dr Naseer:

"....speculation on these boards was that the 'burglar' stole the cosmetics to cover up scrapes and minor injuries. That's why the scrape on Knox's neck appeared to be smaller on November 02 than the picture taken at the Questura on arrest."

They won't let go.

When photographed at the Questura on the 6th, the photo specifically was endorsed (by the police) with a statement that it had to be enhanced so that the mark was even visible!!!!

 

[Methos]

When photographed at the Questura on the 6th, the photo specifically was endorsed (by the police) with a statement that it had to be enhanced so that the mark was even visible!!!!

This one?

The text below the picture reads:
"Stessa immagine lavorata con programma di grafica, con colori e contrasto esaltati, piu particolare dell'escoriazione ingandita der 250% rispetto all'immagine.-"
It's interesting that TMoMK chose this one in a lower resolution with the text barely readable

 

[js202]

Wait. Stop this runaway train for a sec.

I thought Vixen was the one who came on this board a couple months and a few thousand posts ago, earnestly proclaiming she was on the fence with regard to this case. Meaning, on any given morning she woke up on the side of innocence.

Was this merely one great falsehood which this individual has used as a point of departure to run people much smarter and better informed around in circles?

 

[Vixen]

Apart from the starch.

Can anyone prove Meredith's DNA was ever on the knife?

Was the murder weapon ever found? (The knife that matches the wounds)

Both are established facts. As well you know.

 

[Vixen]

This is laughable. The Chieffi court annulled the Hellmann court verdict and referred it back to 2nd instance. That's all. The Marasca court annulled Nencini. There is nothing in the Chieffi report that binds the Marasca court. Cite the passages in the Chieffi judgement specifically that you maintain bind the Marasca court and demonstrate this with reference to the CCP.

Precedent and case law. CPP Art 628 para 2. Penal code.

 

[Vixen]

Do you ever give up with these tiresome falsehoods?

You have the machine telling the operator "too low" She cranks it up to get a result defying internationally accepted protocols and can't repeat her test. She was called out by CandV. She couldn't produce the sample because it never existed. It's noise or contaminant. It's the only conclusion worthy of the name. Aside from that, the knife does not fit the small wound as its too wide and doesn't fit the larger wounds as its too long. There is no scratch. And if it had been cleaned there would have been nothing on it, yet Amanda's DNA was found on it together with some bread.

Raffaele, trying to understand the information he was being given speculated as to the reason why. But it was wrong. He cooked at the apartment with Kercher there using one the knives belonging to it not the knife at his place.

No, sorry as of that moment in time, he had no access to the autopsy report.

Both Amanda and Raff had special prior knowledge only someone who had seen the body or inflicted the injuries would know.

 

[MDDVS]

No, sorry as of that moment in time, he had no access to the autopsy report.

Both Amanda and Raff had special prior knowledge only someone who had seen the body or inflicted the injuries would know.

What knowledge?