DGM
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Stop please. How many southern states was his name on the ballot? I know the answer.
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South Carolina, tear down that flag!
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Upchurch
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DGM
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40% right? (Without 11 states). How many state were there at that time?
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39.8% of the popular vote, which is more than any other candidate got.
Of course, it's the electoral votes that matter. Which is why Gore got more popular votes than Bush in 2000, but Bush won the electoral college.
ETA: if you have a point, best get t making it. If you dig this hole any deeper, we won't be able see you anymore.
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DGM
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Wow. That's a 100 + year goal post shift. That's got to be a world record.
How many states were there at that time?
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DGM
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DGM
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Just to explain:
Mr Upchurch, seams to think if half the country was excluded from voting for a person, it would be the same thing as half the country not voting for the same person. History is not his friend.
Mr Upchurch, seams to think if half the country was excluded from voting for a person, it would be the same thing as half the country not voting for the same person. History is not his friend.
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thaiboxerken
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WTH does that have to do with the racism that the Confederacy represented?
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He's trying make it out that the southern states had a legitimate beef. That the north somehow wronged them before the Civil War.
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History never repeats if you pretend it didn't happen?!
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And racism doesn't exist if you pretend it doesn't. I'm noticing a pattern.
Or is it The Secret?
thaiboxerken
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Those slaughtered in the church by a racist white guy didn't get the memo. If they simply believed that there was no racism, that guy would never have shot them up........
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Today's bit of Confederate flag weirdness comes from the village of Gray, Maine, population 7,761.
During the Civil War, many residents of Gray went off to fight for the Union. Many died in battle, including one Lieutenant Colley. The family of the soldier wished his remains to be returned for burial in the local cemetery. So, the casket was shipped, but something happened. When they went to identify the body, it wasn't their son. The body in that casket was not Lieutenant Colley. They didn't know who he was, but one thing was certain. He was wearing a Confederate uniform.
Well, the ladies of Gray made a collection to give that unknown soldier a proper burial. They bought a headstone with the name "Stranger". Eventually, the actual remains of Lietenant Colley were also located, and they are buried in the same cemetery as "Stranger".
153 years pass, until last Friday. A Confederate Battle Flag had been placed on Stranger's grave. Someone took it upon themselves to remove that flag, and replace it with two American flags. The Confederate flag was discarded, and the wind blew it to a different part of the cemetery.
So, 150 years after the man's death, his bones are still an opportunity for people to pull cheap politically motivated stunts.
The person who removed the flags Is unknown, but a woman's picture appeared in the newspaper. A surveillance camera had captured video of the woman stealing a Confederate flag off of a pickup truck. They wondered if the same woman might be responsible for the grave desecration. The article did not say how the Confederate flag came to be on the soldier's grave.
During the Civil War, many residents of Gray went off to fight for the Union. Many died in battle, including one Lieutenant Colley. The family of the soldier wished his remains to be returned for burial in the local cemetery. So, the casket was shipped, but something happened. When they went to identify the body, it wasn't their son. The body in that casket was not Lieutenant Colley. They didn't know who he was, but one thing was certain. He was wearing a Confederate uniform.
Well, the ladies of Gray made a collection to give that unknown soldier a proper burial. They bought a headstone with the name "Stranger". Eventually, the actual remains of Lietenant Colley were also located, and they are buried in the same cemetery as "Stranger".
153 years pass, until last Friday. A Confederate Battle Flag had been placed on Stranger's grave. Someone took it upon themselves to remove that flag, and replace it with two American flags. The Confederate flag was discarded, and the wind blew it to a different part of the cemetery.
So, 150 years after the man's death, his bones are still an opportunity for people to pull cheap politically motivated stunts.
The person who removed the flags Is unknown, but a woman's picture appeared in the newspaper. A surveillance camera had captured video of the woman stealing a Confederate flag off of a pickup truck. They wondered if the same woman might be responsible for the grave desecration. The article did not say how the Confederate flag came to be on the soldier's grave.
Mumbles
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Best way to relive history is to repeat it. Personally, I like to move on.
Great. So you support getting rid of that confederate battle flag, then. After all, you wouldn't want a repeat of the deadliest war in US history, where the south ultimately got trashed by general Sherman, right?
(BTW, the point is, you're line leads directly to victim-blaming)
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TO be fair, if you've ever followed sports talk anywhere, you'd see that brazenly racist nonsense is pretty common among all sports. It's actually fun to watch them have a meltdown every time Serena Williams wins a tournament
However more* than 70% of Black Americans do regard that flag as a symbol of oppression, and it only made a resurgence when the Civil Rights movement started making headway.
Racists definitely like that flag, as do other bigots.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...us-alongside-paramilitary-flags-31360497.html
They also fly the Union Flag, just as the Klan also fly the US Flag - however those have meanings outside what they want whereas these other flags originated in hate and tyranny as symbols of the disgusting ideology that some people are property or are sub human.
I don't see anyone on this thread arguing that the Confederate battle flag should be banned - just that official bodies should not fly it. People have also pointed out that those who fly it should be aware of the negative connotations, and that if they chose to fly it, then they should be aware that they might be considered a racist.
*I CBA to check for the link upthread